8350 bottleneckingn issue

[kekerino]

Would an 8350 (4.5 OC) bottleneck a 980ti? I currently have a 970, but i would like to run 144 fps with ultra settings.

When i play games my 8350 hovers around 30 ~ 60% use, and my 970 hovers around 60 ~ 70% use.

Thanks.

[Thony]

Good question.

 

My opinion is : Yes (especially for CPU intensive games (GTA V)

[kekerino]

3 minutes ago, Thony said:

Good question.

 

My opinion is : Yes (especially for CPU intensive games (GTA V)

But even in gta it only hovers around 60% use.

[Thony]

1 minute ago, kekerino said:

But even in gta it only hovers around 60% use.

I just gave my opinion. 

The best is to hear from 8350 owners/testers.

[Nacho Marco Segui]

6 minutes ago, kekerino said:

But even in gta it only hovers around 60% use.

The gpu? You are already bottlenecking

[i_build_nanosuits]

8 minutes ago, kekerino said:

Would an 8350 (4.5 OC) bottleneck a 980ti? I currently have a 970, but i would like to run 144 fps with ultra settings.

When i play games my 8350 hovers around 30 ~ 60% use, and my 970 hovers around 60 ~ 70% use.

Thanks.

yes it absolutely would...i had my FX overclocked to 4.6ghz and it was limiting an overclocked GTX 780 in many games already...

your GPU not being maxed out like that already show that your AMD FX is too slow for that GTX 970...

a GTX 980ti on that is an absolute no go unless you aim for 4K 30FPS gaming.

[i_build_nanosuits]

6 minutes ago, kekerino said:

But even in gta it only hovers around 60% use.

CPU usage is irrelevant...GPU usage is what you want to look at to detect bottleneck...

the CPU can be ''too slow'' to process instructions for the game engine fast enough...so even though it does not have a mouthful...it cant process fast enough to feed the GPU...and this is what is happening.

 

If your GPU is not maxed out, then something is preventing it to operate fully...most likely, a CPU limitation.

[kekerino]

Seems i was wrong, it does get at 60 ~ 80% use in gtav

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, kekerino said:

Seems i was wrong, it does get at 60 ~ 80% use in gtav

please read my post just above...CPU usage is IRRELEVANT....

[kekerino]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

please read my post just above...CPU usage is IRRELEVANT....

I posted it before i read your post. 

 

Anyways, the thing is, that i want to future proof my pc as best as possible, as i will be moving and buying new parts will be difficult for some time. Would you say a 6700k paired with a 980ti would be a good combination?

[Majestic]

5 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

CPU usage is irrelevant...GPU usage is what you want to look at to detect bottleneck...

Only in excess. But even a i7-6700K can generate more drawcalls than a 6600K, whilst both of them show 99% gpu load.

 

@kekerino 8350 + 980TI = bad combination.

[i_build_nanosuits]

7 minutes ago, kekerino said:

I posted it before i read your post. 

 

Anyways, the thing is, that i want to future proof my pc as best as possible, as i will be moving and buying new parts will be difficult for some time. Would you say a 6700k paired with a 980ti would be a good combination?

if you want to ''future-proof'' it...yes the 980ti will hold on well for a long time...but for the CPU i think the i7-5820K which is a 6 cores 12 threaded beast on X99 would not cost much more and will stand the test of time better...it not being a quad-core CPU.

One thing for sure, the AMD FX ain't great...i had mine for a few months only and honestly it was a big let down...you read people saying it's low-end and outdated, you hear other saying it's still great and an excellent bang for the buck...i'm in the middle...it's a somewhat honest low-mid range ish CPU that should be paired with low to mid-range graphics cards...your GTX 970 is already a bit much for that chip to handle.

 

The i7-6700K as it stand is the fastest CPU in games...and will last a long time and is a very good upgrade to your AMD FX though...so if X99 is too expensive...then this is the next best thing.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Majestic said:

Only in excess. But even a i7-6700K can generate more drawcalls than a 6600K, whilst both of them show 99% gpu load.

if both of them show 99% GPU load, then all that mean is that both are fast enough to feed the GPU.

If you can strap in a more serious GPU combination...or lower the resolution...you'll start to see benefit from the faster CPU.

But when the GPU is pinned...the GPU is pinned...and when it's not...there is something wrong...it can be poor game optimization...or a bottleneck somewhere in the system preventing the GPU from reaching full potential.

[Moonzy]

22 minutes ago, kekerino said:

my 970 hovers around 60 ~ 70% use

a gpu should never hover, it should be pinned at 100% unless the game is poorly optimized

[Majestic]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

if both of them show 99% GPU load, then all that mean is that both are fast enough to feed the GPU.

Yes, but the 6700K will still have a higher framerate  

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Majestic said:

Yes, but the 6700K will still have a higher framerate  

a couple frames here and there...it allow more efficient processing for the GPU...which in turn will increase the framerate a little bit...but nothing really serious.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

Yes, but the 6700K will still have a higher framerate  

yea, but purely for gaming, the price to performance is crap compared to the 6600k

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

a gpu should never hover, it should be pinned at 100% unless the game is poorly optimized

...it could also be a framerate cap...or Vsync...i forgot to mention that too...but if the framerate is uncapped...yes you're right you should be able to max out your GPU.

 

[kekerino]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yes, but the 6700K will still have a higher framerate  

 

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

a couple frames here and there...it allow more efficient processing for the GPU...which in turn will increase the framerate a little bit...but nothing really serious.

Right, so wich one would be best for running a game + youtube.

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

yea, but purely for gaming, the price to performance is crap compared to the 6600k

It was a hypothetical argument. 99% GPU load does not imply the maximum framerate possible.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, kekerino said:

 

Right, so wich one would be best for running a game + youtube.

6700K or 5820K.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, kekerino said:

Right, so wich one would be best for running a game + youtube.

both are fine, maybe the 6600k will suffer slightly if the game is more on cpu utilizing

but the 6600k is a great cpu overall for now

get the 6700K if you can afford it comfortably

 

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

...it could also be a framerate cap...or Vsync...i forgot to mention that too...but if the framerate is uncapped...yes you're right you should be able to max out your GPU.

yea that too would cause the gpu to fluctuate and not pinned at 99% lol

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

yea, but purely for gaming, the price to performance is crap compared to the 6600k

The 6700K will be relevant longer because it can handle more. Sometimes you have to look past ''performance in current games'' and think ''how long before the 6600K is pinned to 100% across the board in most games''....i mean...check witcher 3 footage from digital foundry...the non-hyper-threaded CPU is having a mouthful already.

[Moonzy]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

The 6700K will be relevant longer because it can handle more. Sometimes you have to look past ''performance in current games'' and think ''how long before the 6600K is pinned to 100% across the board in most games''....i mean...check witcher 3 footage from digital foundry...the non-hyper-threaded CPU is having a mouthful already.

thats true, as well as DX12 is supposed to utilise more cores

 

but lets face it, the witcher 3 is one of those poorly optimized games `-`

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Moonzy said:

thats true, as well as DX12 is supposed to utilise more cores

 

but lets face it, the witcher 3 is one of those poorly optimized games `-`

i disagree...witcher 3 is multi-threaded...it's CPU intensive it's true...but it spread across many threads...by nature rich open world games like that are meant to be more CPU intensive...and so long as they are multi-threaded well enough it's still good...and witcher is good...you do need high-end machine to max it out though.