PC GAMES. Keyboard+Mouse Or Controller.

[Scionyde]

2 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Left stick - move character 360 degrees

Right stick - move camera 360 degrees

what? it works exactly the same

I PREFER a controller for some types of games, racing, platformers, 3rd person action games etc, like MGS V, rise of the tomb raider etc - i play with a controller 
 

its not about lazy devs, some games even with good keyboard controlls are just better with a controller

I'm assuming he means that a mouse will still afford you more control over the camera than a thumbstick ever will. I'm also assuming his lazy dev comment refers to devs that make a PC portwith zero KB+M support.

 

Personally, I prefer KB+M for pretty much everything (I'm not really into fighting/racing games). I've never had issue in 3rd-person games like Assassin's Creed or The Witcher - in fact, I couldn't really imagine playing the Witcher with a controller given the usefulness of rebinding signs to avoid needing the pop-up wheel.

 

Clearly, the compromise here is to have some kind of joystick/thumbstick setup for your left hand and a mouse for your right.

[ShadowCaptain]

4 minutes ago, Scionyde said:

 

Clearly, the compromise here is to have some kind of joystick/thumbstick setup for your left hand and a mouse for your right.

That would be ideal or a keyboard with analogue WASD

 

But games like tomb raider and MGS, and GTA etc are just SO much better with a gamepad, and like i play lego star wars with my nephew etc, and just there are games that are designed to be used with a controller

I just find it strange that some PC users MUST use keyboard and mouse even if it is an inferior control device for a certain type of game

PC users should embrace the peripheral choice they have, like flight sticks, game wheels, controllers and mice etc - they all have their place and it depends on the game

like I wouldnt dream of playing CS:GO or BF4 with a controller, but I equally, playing a game like Dark Souls, is just something a controller is needed , since its easier to swing the camera round 360, and the movement is much easier like dodge rolling with a contoller etc, and even fighting etc

 

Yeah PC gamers should embrace the controller as much as the keyboard and mouse

Yes there are lazy games that have no support for keyboard and mouse and I agree its bad but if its a game that suits the controller, id argue that you should use one

[Squirrel724]

It really depends on the game. I prefer keyboard and mouse for FPS but controller for third person games like the Arkham games. Controllers are also good for games where you need control over your movement speed such as sneaking in games like fallout.

[typographie]

1 hour ago, Scionyde said:

I'm also assuming his lazy dev comment refers to devs that make a PC portwith zero KB+M support.

I honestly don't mean to split hairs, but how many PC games have literally zero keyboard + mouse support? Outside of maybe a few truly wretched JRPG ports from PS1/PS2, I can't think of a single one.

[Praesi]

6 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Left stick - move character 360 degrees

Right stick - move camera 360 degrees

what? it works exactly the same

I PREFER a controller for some types of games, racing, platformers, 3rd person action games etc, like MGS V, rise of the tomb raider etc - i play with a controller 
 

its not about lazy devs, some games even with good keyboard controlls are just better with a controller

No they are not. Move left and right while aim in another Direction for Example. Impossible to do that with a Gamepad like with K+M. But if you enjoy play like this, do it. I stay with K+M and still say fuck off to lazy Devs. I dont give Money to People like FROM who dont give a single F.. about PC and make quick Cash with pathetic Ports.  The Fact that so many Gamers on PC defent this shit make me shake my Head.

[ShadowCaptain]

Just now, Praesi said:

No they are not. Move left and right while aim in another Direction for Example. Impossible to do that with a Gamepad like with K+M. But if you enjoy play like this, do it. I stay with K+M and still say fuck off to lazy Devs. I dont give Money to People like FROM who dont give a single F.. about PC and make quick Cash with pathetic Ports.  The Fact that so many Gamers on PC defent this shit make me shake my Head.

What are you even talking about?

 

Yes you can, left stick to strafe left and right, (depending on the game) right stick to aim , movement is independent to the aiming

The left stick does nothing different than WASD, and the right stick moves just like your mouse

 

I am not defending people not making games properly, i just think some game styles are inherently designed and are better played on a controller

Just because you blindly think keyboard and mouse are the only option that matter

 

[Praesi]

8 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

What are you even talking about?

 

Yes you can, left stick to strafe left and right, (depending on the game) right stick to aim , movement is independent to the aiming

The left stick does nothing different than WASD, and the right stick moves just like your mouse

 

I am not defending people not making games properly, i just think some game styles are inherently designed and are better played on a controller

Just because you blindly think keyboard and mouse are the only option that matter

 

1. I say it a last time, no Gamepad is not as accurate as K+M. 

2. K+M is the only otion that matter to me. You remember, that was the whole topic of this thread. I dont care if you agree or not. Not one bit.

[ShadowCaptain]

1 minute ago, Praesi said:

1. I say it a last time, no Gamepad is not as accurate as K+M. 

2. K+M is the only otion that matter to me. You remember, that was the whole topic of this thread. I dont care if you agree or not. Not one bit.

 

1) not all games require accuracy

2) this is a forum, a place of discussion, the topic of the thread was asking if a gamepad is a good idea... which it is

[Praesi]

6 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

 

1) not all games require accuracy

2) this is a forum, a place of discussion, the topic of the thread was asking if a gamepad is a good idea... which it is

Not all Games, like TR or MGS5...? 

 

Yes, for Racing a Gamepad works fine. Ok, serious Racer use a Wheel, but yes a Gamepad is better than K+M. For everything else. No no no.

 

And you should learn to accept others oppinions.

 

End of Story.

[ShadowCaptain]

8 minutes ago, Praesi said:

Not all Games, like TR or MGS5...? 

 

Yes, for Racing a Gamepad works fine. Ok, serious Racer use a Wheel, but yes a Gamepad is better than K+M. For everything else. No no no.

 

And you should learn to accept others oppinions.

 

End of Story.

 

They were just some examples, I just played ROTR and it was just so much nicer with a controller, also some examples, mortal combat, devil may cry, GTA, batman, assasins creed, mgs revengence,  

 

I think most people would agree these games are just nicer with a controller, but obviously if you dont like it, you dont have to


I can perfectly accept your opinion, but I dont have to understand it

[EscalatorBoy]

12 minutes ago, Praesi said:

For everything else. No no no.

 

And you should learn to accept others oppinions.

 

End of Story.

Loving the irony here.

 

Can you think of no situation where the fine precision of movement that an analog stick would provide might make a positive difference in control preference? Metal Gear is a perfect example - digital control makes it way harder to apply fine control to sneaking positions, crawl in between laser grids and peak out around corners. Controllers are also the best solution for emulation.

[ShadowCaptain]

2 minutes ago, EscalatorBoy said:

Loving the irony here.

 

Can you think of no situation where the fine precision of movement that an analog stick would provide might make a positive difference in control preference? Metal Gear is a perfect example - digital control makes it way harder to apply fine control to sneaking positions, crawl in between laser grids and peak out around corners. Controllers are also the best solution for emulation.

THIS THIS THIS

[typographie]

20 minutes ago, Praesi said:

And you should learn to accept others oppinions.

 

End of Story.

I'm with you on that. In my opinion, I find keyboard and mouse more comfortable in Tomb Raider and MGSV. As I said above, I cannot enjoy trying to aim projectile weapons with an analog stick. That's my opinion, and ShadowCaptain's opinion differs, and that's fine.

 

Where you lost me was when you called developers "lazy" whose games tend to reward controllers over keyboards + mice. There's an opinion component to this, but there's also an objective component to this, and I think it's perfectly valid to design a game in such a way that analog control actually works better as long as the keyboard/mouse option is serviceable.

[ShadowCaptain]

2 minutes ago, typographie said:

 

I think it's perfectly valid to design a game in such a way that analog control actually works better as long as the keyboard/mouse option is serviceable.

That is what I was trying to say, some games inherently just fit better to analogue movement etc

and there are games that dont require precise aiming etc,

 

but as somebody who has used PC and controllers and consoles for his whole life i can headshot everyone on MGS 5 no issue

[EscalatorBoy]

Continuing on with the Metal Gear example, ease of aim is certainly not the only way to achieve success. If you're able to sneak carefully into the right position, you'll have enough time to line up a good shot anyway, making aiming precision less important. But taking away my movement options? That offers me a clear disadvantage.

 

Another game I like the controller for, strangely enough, is Skyrim. For just one reason: Walking is too slow. I like to casually walk around in towns rather than jog, but vanilla walking speed is wicked slow. I like the analog movement just for immersion.

[GeekJump]

depends on the game. some are just meant to be played with a controller.

 

Personally, I prefer controller for my all single player stuff (gta, fallout, far cry, etc.) and kb+mouse for twitchy fps games or things that need short cut keys. 

 

Imaging trying to play CS with a controller!?!? Sure you might get use to it but precision will go to poop. And the time it would take to buy weapons...lol

[Praesi]

1 hour ago, EscalatorBoy said:

Loving the irony here.

 

Can you think of no situation where the fine precision of movement that an analog stick would provide might make a positive difference in control preference? Metal Gear is a perfect example - digital control makes it way harder to apply fine control to sneaking positions, crawl in between laser grids and peak out around corners. Controllers are also the best solution for emulation.

I said what i prefer, he started to judge my oppinion. But again, demands are different. Some People enjoy move and aim like invalids, some dont. 

58 minutes ago, typographie said:

I'm with you on that. In my opinion, I find keyboard and mouse more comfortable in Tomb Raider and MGSV. As I said above, I cannot enjoy trying to aim projectile weapons with an analog stick. That's my opinion, and ShadowCaptain's opinion differs, and that's fine.

 

Where you lost me was when you called developers "lazy" whose games tend to reward controllers over keyboards + mice. There's an opinion component to this, but there's also an objective component to this, and I think it's perfectly valid to design a game in such a way that analog control actually works better as long as the keyboard/mouse option is serviceable.

Dev´s like FROM who let XBox Tooltips in the Game when i play with KM are not lazy? When play with MK is almost impossible, which DS1 was and DS2 is still a laughable Joke. Or Lightning Returns with no Mouse Support at all?

I see it simple. Keep that half assed shit and i keep my Money. 

 

And now im done with this Topic.

 

Good Night.