small beginnings to epic computer

[macktruck6666]

1. Budget & Location

1800-2000 to start, but I intend to spend more after the initial investment.

East cost USA.

2. Aim

I want it to eventually be upgraded to do 4k gaming at 60 fps.

I use all features of a animation suite called Blender (I know it ironic spending so much money on hardware for a free program, but I use what I love.)

This includes modelling, sculpting, retopologizing and (to a lesser extent) compiling image sequences into videos, animation, and composting.

I also want to dable a little in water cooling and overclocking. (nothing to extreme please)

3. Monitors

Dual screens is a minumum. I've never seen the need for more, but that might change.

Current screens are 1600x900 and 1920 x 1080.

I plan on upgrades it to my current 1k screen and a new ASUS 4k. (i love asus, don't know why, but i do, so there) (not included in initial budget)

4. Peripherals

All peripherals will be stripped from my current computer. Upgrades will come later.

Nvidia graphics card is critical.

Windows is necessary.

5. Why are you upgrading?

For twitch, my current computer can't even stream single player minecraft.

Rendering time is to slow. The Blender benchmark took my computer 30 minutes to complete 1 frame of rendering. People with a 980 ti can do it in 65 seconds.

Max cpu I can fit in my motherboard is a 4 core and the max speed that I can fit is 1333 Mhz.

 

I start my build thinking that more cores would be more important then speed, but now I am uncertain. What particularly made me concerned is that the 6 core intel processors are so close to the recommended cpu for witcher 3. This seems to leave very little lifespan of the computer. Also, it has come to my mind that I can use my current computer as a dedicated streaming computer. The streaming computer could take input from the new computer. This might reduce my need on so many cores and since I don't do much encoding or composting. Another note is that for gaming I'll need the cards in SLI but for rendering I need them not in SLI, is that even possible?

 

So this is my build based on a 6 core processor build which would later be upgraded to to 8 core: (might throw this build out)

1. EVGA hybrid cooled 980 ti (from newegg.com) (120 mm radiator in front) (power usage?)
2. intel 5820k (can it be overclocked?) (which is better fast fewer cores or more slower cores?)
3. Asus x-99 deluxe motherboard (has internal USB port for cpu cooler)
4. Cosair Carbide Air 540 case (from Amazon.com)
5. Western Digital Black 1TB
6. Intel 250 Gb (already have)
7. Cosair H100i all-in-one cpu cooler (240mm radiator fitted on top)
8. (some high wattage power supply for later expansions?)
9. (some ram, 16 gig minimum )
10. ( windows 10 for dx 12?)

[Amazingasian]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($376.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($89.90 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: Asus X99-A ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($154.95 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  ($639.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1816.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-16 00:44 EDT-0400

 

This would be a good PC in your budget.  The Dark Rock Pro 3 will perform around the same as the watercooler but can be switched if you really want the AIO.  Since you're in to content creation, I threw in a 3TB drive so you would have more storage.  The EVGA Hybrid 980ti is kind of noisy and the tubes will be slightly difficult to manage when you get a second.  The 850W PSU will be enough to handle 2 980ti's and a 5820k all overclocked.  Windows can be bought from /r/microsoftsoftwareswap, Kinguin or G2A for cheap.  As for the monitor, 1440p is a more viable option since it's easy to drive with one 980ti.  4K gaming with one 980ti won't be as enjoyable.

[Moonzy]

30 minutes ago, macktruck6666 said:

 

980Ti typically consume 250~300W after OC

 

which is better? of course faster and more cores... the 5820k can be overclocked for fast single core performance as well

but seriously it depends, if your application uses 1 or 2 cores, then faster single core is more important but if your task involves using all 6 cores, then the slower 6 cores will win (assuming the 6 combines power will be higher than the faster fewer cores)

 

already one of the best psu u can get

 

yea windows 10 for dx12

 

here's the build you wanted,

Spoiler

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xh3wGX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xh3wGX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($376.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE/U3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($389.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB HYBRID Video Card  ($689.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)  ($87.95 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $2034.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-16 00:58 EDT-0400

 

35 minutes ago, macktruck6666 said:

I start my build thinking that more cores would be more important then speed, but now I am uncertain. What particularly made me concerned is that the 6 core intel processors are so close to the recommended cpu for witcher 3. This seems to leave very little lifespan of the computer. Also, it has come to my mind that I can use my current computer as a dedicated streaming computer. The streaming computer could take input from the new computer. This might reduce my need on so many cores and since I don't do much encoding or composting. Another note is that for gaming I'll need the cards in SLI but for rendering I need them not in SLI, is that even possible?

if your 5820k is outdated, pretty much 99% of the computer users right now have to change their setups lol

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, macktruck6666 said:

 

Not going to be worth it to buy a high end GPU now as even OC'd a 980ti can't really push 60fps at 4k, best investing in your display now and upgrading your GPU when the new ones come in a few months, you can just game at 1080p on a 4k display just fine.

 

4K IPS Free-sync display included, if you want to go Nvidia the G-sync equivalent currently costs $900 although 32" or higher is going to be better for productivity

G-sync equivilant specs, pricing is screwed up on these right now I think
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-pg27aq

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2vZc3C
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2vZc3C/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($376.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.03 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($263.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($58.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.00 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($304.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case  ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG 27MC67-B 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  ($449.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1704.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-16 01:38 EDT-0400

[BurblingBarbacoa]

For your budget a 4K rig is well within the realms of reality. And there are some great monitors. Anyways. Let the dot points begin  

• So. You say that dual screens is a minimum but keep in mind that there is a lot more pixel realestate in a 4K monitor. There are some great Korean panels for great prices that are pretty decent for gaming. The Wasabi mango for example. 4K, 40" and sexy as hell. Go to Tek syndicates channel for details on these 4K Korean monitors. They have tons of reviews. 
•  Peripherals. What do you currently have. Maybe I can give some reccomendations for future upgrades. 
• Why Is NVidia a must have? I'm not saying that the 980ti is bad but seems kinda close minded. And as for the sli problem, I'm pretty sure you can do that yes. But why do you need SLI? As a starting point a 980ti can handle 4K fine. Maybe wait for the next gen of cards. 
• A 5820k is FINE. And yes overclocking can be done. You said you were doing animation? IF SO THEN THE 6 core is a good idea but if you are mainly doing gaming look at the 6700k or wait for kabilake and zen. Slower and more cores is not preferable to gaming over a fast quad core. Also don't worry about the 8 core. Not needed. 
• Cooling. Ah. The thing is it is good but if you are going to close loop cool it all maybe just get an EK predator 360 and cool both in a more enthusiast grade loop. Or even go all out and cool with a fully custom loop if you are up to it. Failing that, as I don't reccomend closed loop AIOs due to bad pat experiance, I reccomend you get a good air cooled card and a good air cooler. 
• Case wise, the Fractal Define S and R5 are basically fail safe options. However if you want to stick with the Corsair it is fine. Noctua redux fans look good and are cool and quiet. 
• Storage is pretty standard but good nonetheless 
• if you want 980ti sli in the future I'd grab 1000 watts to be safe. Corsair HX100 is fine. There are heaps of other good option though from the likes of Seasonic and evga 
• Just grab some good 2133 minimum ddr4 from a manufacturer that you trust like gskill and corsair 
• yep Windows 10 is good. Just don't use express settings  you can find it on kinguin for about $30 

anyway, providing you read to this point you should be good. Hope I helped  

[macktruck6666]

Amazingasian:

Hmmm two people suggestion the Asus X99-A motherboard, I'll check that out.

I don't expect to to play most games with one card at 4k, but small steps to get to something much better.

 

Moonzy:

Ya, the need for multicore vs using mutiple computers was what I was debating.

OBS for broadcasting to twich is multithread. (so i move this to a separate computer?)

Blender is not.

I have no idea about games being optimized for multi-cores.

 

Streetguru:

Thanks for the post. Nvidia graphics card is critical to my build. Blender hasn't had support for using Radeon cards to render.

Honestly, I've spent years waiting and "doing the responsible thing". I can't wait any longer. If I buy a 980 today and new cards come out, it just makes my build cheaper?

 

BurblingBarbacoa:

I'll check out the Korean monitors, but I'm very uneasy about companies I don't have experience with. (aka superbizz) What about RMAs is that even possible?

Currently I have a logitech keyboard from walmart and a razer deathadder.

Blender just start supporting using Radeon cards to render. I really don't want to switch untill/unless the optimization is identical in Blender.

kabilake and zen ? what are these?

AIOs? plz define

What I'm afraid of is that I'll get 3 or more graphics cards eventually and that there will be no room for the fans to pull in the air.

[Streetguru]

21 minutes ago, macktruck6666 said:

Blender hasn't had support for using Radeon cards to render.

It seems like it has open CL support

https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/OpenCL

[macktruck6666]

27 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It seems like it has open CL support

https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/OpenCL

Well, officially it's been supported for years, but it wasn't till recently till amd released some patches that let Blender make some progress. I'll check the gpu benchmark thread when blenderartists.org comes back online.

[Streetguru]

50 minutes ago, macktruck6666 said:

Well, officially it's been supported for years, but it wasn't till recently till amd released some patches that let Blender make some progress. I'll check the gpu benchmark thread when blenderartists.org comes back online.

Also a 390 is going to give you 8gbs of VRAM for textures and what not as well

[macktruck6666]

Ya, so I checked the latest post on the benchmark thread here:  http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?239480-2-7x-Cycles-benchmark-(Updated-BMW)/page110

The only cases where radeon did better then a 980 ti is when there were multiple cards or the card cost $100-200 more then the 980ti.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a mother board and quad core intel or amd processor 4ghz+ that won't instantly melt when I turn the computer on?

This may work well for Blender and Games that run well on faster processors while I use my old computer to run OBS that is the only program I run that utilizes more cores.

[macktruck6666]

So my intention was to make this eventually into 4 - way SLI (4 cards in SLI).

Of course I thought fitting 4 cards mean it would support 4 - way SLI and it doesn't.

If I understand things correctly, both the x99a and deluxe support 3 way SLI but not 4 - way.

The only motherboards I can find that support 4 -way are over 500 USD.

I'm also very concerned with all the negative comments on newegg. Would it be better to go with an MSI motherboard?