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So, I am looking to upgrade once again. Its that time of the year again. 

But now I have two options, the 970 Evga SC or the MSI 390 

 

The 970 and 390 are almost equal in terms of performance. 

 

But the 390 slightly edges out the 970 when both are overclocked. 

 

The 390 is pretty much a 290x refreshed. 

 

Also the 390 has a higher TDP and is more of a personal space heater. 275w compared to 170w (I heard it was also louder) 

 

A big advantage of the the 390 is that its a 8gb card a full 8. 

 

The 970 on the other hand has 4 gb and only 3.5 gb usable. 

 

So which should I go with? 

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what games do you play? if its a gameworks game then get the 970 if you play the game alot or its your favourite/main game

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what games do you play? if its a gameworks game then get the 970 if you play the game alot or its your favourite/main game

This, a thousand times this^

All depends on your favorite games.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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what games do you play? if its a gameworks game then get the 970 if you play the game alot or its your favourite/main game

I always do. 

 

Also what games are partnered with Nvidia? 

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I always do. 

 

Also what games are partnered with Nvidia? 

fallout 4 is an example that sucks donkey balls on amd

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Anything that says Gameworks is partnered with Nvidia. The most notable recent game is Fallout 4 that runs significantly better on the 970 verses the 390.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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So, I am looking to upgrade once again. Its that time of the year again. 

But now I have two options, the 970 Evga SC or the MSI 390 

 

The 970 and 390 are almost equal in terms of performance. 

 

But the 390 slightly edges out the 970 when both are overclocked. 

 

The 390 is pretty much a 290x refreshed. 

 

Also the 390 has a higher TDP and is more of a personal space heater. 275w compared to 170w (I heard it was also louder) 

 

A big advantage of the the 390 is that its a 8gb card a full 8. 

 

The 970 on the other hand has 4 gb and only 3.5 gb usable. 

 

So which should I go with? 

i would say the GTX 970

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fallout 4 is an example that sucks donkey balls on amd

I am actually planning on getting fallout 4. The reason why i didn't was because my current system is not up to par. How about some of the newer games. Star wars battlefront, Star citizen, BF5. The new tomb raider. 

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R9 390

Loudness depends entirely on the cooler - Sapphire 390 is cooler and quieter than ANY 970. Mark my words.

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fallout 4 is an example that sucks donkey balls on amd

As of the Crimson update, I currently get a stable 60fps in most if not all places on my base clock 290X, so I think they fixed the issue with that for the most part.

 

OP, the people that say the 290Xs are space heaters I would assume either haven't had/don't have a 290X or they have (had) the reference one. My 290X that sits next to my leg certainly isn't putting me in any distress with the top exhaust blowing onto my legs. With that being said I'd go for a 390. Nvidia is the way to go 980Ti territory and up and AMD Fury and down, unless there are extraordinary circumstances where you specifically need a certain brand.

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I am actually planning on getting fallout 4. The reason why i didn't was because my current system is not up to par. How about some of the newer games. Star wars battlefront, Star citizen, BF5. The new tomb raider. 

well battlefront runs good no matter what.

i would imagine battlefield 5  too as well

well star citizen i cant jump too conclusion the games still in beta, and i am not knowledgable on the games performance

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I am actually planning on getting fallout 4. The reason why i didn't was because my current system is not up to par. How about some of the newer games. Star wars battlefront, Star citizen, BF5. The new tomb raider.

Mostly trading blows between the two cards. Battlefront likes AMD but it runs fine on a 970.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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As of the Crimson update, I currently get a stable 60fps in most if not all places on my base clock 290X, so I think they fixed the issue with that for the most part.

OP, the people that say the 290Xs are space heaters I would assume either haven't had/don't have a 290X or they have (had) the reference one. My 290X that sits next to my leg certainly isn't putting me in any distress with the top exhaust blowing onto my legs. With that being said I'd go for a 390. Nvidia is the way to go 980Ti territory and up and AMD Fury and down, unless there are extraordinary circumstances where you specifically need a certain brand.

Not with the shadow distance set to ultra you don't lol.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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Not with the shadow distance set to ultra you don't lol.

And I couldn't tell you the difference in ultra vs high vs medium (what I'm using) unless you give me side by side screenshots. Really, it isn't a gamebreaking option to lower and it sure as hell isn't worth buying a more or less inferior product because of that one thing.

 

I think people really tend to blow performance differences way way way out of proportion when talking about Gameworks/whatever AMD's equivalent is titles.

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well battlefront runs good no matter what.

i would imagine battlefield 5  too as well

well star citizen i cant jump too conclusion the games still in beta, and i am not knowledgable on the games performance

Well, how does the physX run on the 970, compared to the 4790k. I also play a fair bit of ARMA 3. 

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If you dont like the gameworks BS that Nvidia are pulling, vote with your wallet and go AMD!

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@jnmbhj follow your thread

what games do you play? if its a gameworks game then get the 970 if you play the game alot or its your favourite/main game

How about the difference in V Ram. the 3.5 GB vs 8 GB. Wouldn't that make a difference, maybe for 1440p or crossfire/sli for 4k

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If you dont like the gameworks BS that Nvidia are pulling, vote with your wallet and go AM

 

Anything that says Gameworks is partnered with Nvidia. The most notable recent game is Fallout 4 that runs significantly better on the 970 verses the 390.

 
For most the the Benchmarks, they are about a 2-3 fps difference. Gameworks vs amd partnered. 
 
Main Issue I had is weather a cooler chip is better than long term. 
 
More VRAM vs Cooler Chip 
 
I don't think the AMD Card will run silent. 

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For most the the Benchmarks, they are about a 2-3 fps difference. Gameworks vs amd partnered.

Main Issue I had is weather a cooler chip is better than long term.

More VRAM vs Cooler Chip

I don't think the AMD Card will run silent.

That 2-3fps difference doesn't take into consideration the lack of Nvidia exclusive anti aliasing and smoothness. I own a 290 and play Gameworks games, trust me there's a big difference.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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And I couldn't tell you the difference in ultra vs high vs medium (what I'm using) unless you give me side by side screenshots. Really, it isn't a gamebreaking option to lower and it sure as hell isn't worth buying a more or less inferior product because of that one thing.

I think people really tend to blow performance differences way way way out of proportion when talking about Gameworks/whatever AMD's equivalent is titles.

On my phone, couldn't multi quote sorry.

If you need a side by side to tell the difference you're not looking lol. The medium shadow distance is the console setting, you're literally seeing the game as a console player sees it. That is not evidence to AMDs ability to play Gameworks games, but evidence to the contrary.

Go into the ini files and set the shadow distance to 10000. You'll see some dips but the game looks as it should. The problem is the difference between high and medium is huge, so you have to set it manually. That distance is half of ultra.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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So, I am looking to upgrade once again. Its that time of the year again. 

But now I have two options, the 970 Evga SC or the MSI 390 

 

The 970 and 390 are almost equal in terms of performance. 

 

But the 390 slightly edges out the 970 when both are overclocked. 

 

The 390 is pretty much a 290x refreshed. 

 

Also the 390 has a higher TDP and is more of a personal space heater. 275w compared to 170w (I heard it was also louder) 

 

A big advantage of the the 390 is that its a 8gb card a full 8. 

 

The 970 on the other hand has 4 gb and only 3.5 gb usable. 

 

So which should I go with? 

 

Don't get the EVGA SC, it overclocks like crap. This is seriously my best overclock:

 

4EVBskm.png

 

The EVGA SSC is much better, most people can get them to 1500 MHz.

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R9 390 and aio watercooler using nzxt g10?

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How about the difference in V Ram. the 3.5 GB vs 8 GB. Wouldn't that make a difference, maybe for 1440p or crossfire/sli for 4k

well you can go over 3.5gb without stutter

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Don't get the EVGA SC, it overclocks like crap. This is seriously my best overclock:

 

4EVBskm.png

 

The EVGA SSC is much better, most people can get them to 1500 MHz.

I think Paul from Pauls hard ware got his 970 SC to 1.5 Ghz

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I am actually planning on getting fallout 4. The reason why i didn't was because my current system is not up to par. How about some of the newer games. Star wars battlefront, Star citizen, BF5. The new tomb raider. 

 

Fallout 4 is better on Nvidia, AMD wins on Battlefront. The other two are still unknowns. I mean the 970 actually beats the 390x (yes the x) at 1080p in Star Citizen right now, but it's only an alpha.

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