980 vs Fury

[masked106]

Hi guys.

 

So I walk into the store to inquire about the the 980 as they are sold out and the only one available for the time being ASUS Strix. Not wanting an ASUS Strix as I personally don't like the card, I ask about availability of when the MSI or Gigabyte cards are coming in. I said to the sales person I'm getting a 980 for 1080p now and in about a years time upgrade to a 1440p monitor. To which he suggested the Fury. This got me thinking. Ive been looking at benchmarks and although its a tad more expensive its a bit better than the 980. But then I notice 4GB Vram. Hoping to see past this, I notice HBM. My question is,

1. What does it mean if the GPU has HBM? Does that mean that a games that uses 3GB Vram on GDDR5 will use less on the Fury because its Faster??

2. Do you agree with the sales person? Would a Fury be better for me??

 

I would be going with the Sapphire Nitro Fury and I like the cooling potential ands the card looks sexy and might have my girlfriend being a bit jealous(lol)

[mikat]

Hi guys.

 

So I walk into the store to inquire about the the 980 as they are sold out and the only one available for the time being ASUS Strix. Not wanting an ASUS Strix as I personally don't like the card, I ask about availability of when the MSI or Gigabyte cards are coming in. I said to the sales person I'm getting a 980 for 1080p now and in about a years time upgrade to a 1440p monitor. To which he suggested the Fury. This got me thinking. Ive been looking at benchmarks and although its a tad more expensive its a bit better than the 980. But then I notice 4GB Vram. Hoping to see past this, I notice HBM. My question is,

1. What does it mean if the GPU has HBM? Does that mean that a games that uses 3GB Vram on GDDR5 will use less on the Fury because its Faster??

2. Do you agree with the sales person? Would a Fury be better for me??

 

I would be going with the Sapphire Nitro Fury and I like the cooling potential ands the card looks sexy and might have my girlfriend being a bit jealous(lol)

fury > 980

and no, you will not use less vram if it is faster (like HBM)

[don_svetlio]

Fury is about 10-15% faster than a 980 and indeed even more so at 1440p

EDIT: Sapphire is the absolute best AMD reseller

[Lays]

Depends a bit on how good the 980 overclocks & how good the fury does.

A really good 980 can easily hold it's own & even beat the fury in some cases, but you need a really good 980.

 

If you find the 980 for cheaper, probably better to get one of those. If your budget can handle the Fury, get that though. (Or spend a tiny bit extra and grab a 980 TI)

[masked106]

Fury is about 10-15% faster than a 980 and indeed even more so at 1440p

EDIT: Sapphire is the absolute best AMD reseller

I believe its Sapphire at the top and next is MSI?? Do you think its would be wise getting the Fury then??

 

fury > 980

and no, you will not use less vram if it is faster (like HBM)

so what is exaxtly the point of HBM??

[don_svetlio]

I believe its Sapphire at the top and next is MSI?? Do you think its would be wise getting the Fury then??

 

so what is exaxtly the point of HBM??

Sapphire and MSI are currently the best on AMD's side

HBM has VERY VERY low latency and is ideal for VR and when you run out of VRAM, because you can swap out information so quickly you are less likely to feel stutters when swapping out data.

[masked106]

Depends a bit on how good the 980 overclocks & how good the fury does.

A really good 980 can easily hold it's own & even beat the fury in some cases, but you need a really good 980.

 

If you find the 980 for cheaper, probably better to get one of those. If your budget can handle the Fury, get that though. (Or spend a tiny bit extra and grab a 980 TI)

But then again, I don't think buying a cheaper card and relying on OC is better because of the unfortunate Silicon Lottery, despite 900 Series being great overclocked.

[Citadelen]

The Fury X makes up for only 4GB with the insane memory interface and bandwidth.

[masked106]

Sapphire and MSI are currently the best on AMD's side

HBM has VERY VERY low latency and is ideal for VR and when you run out of VRAM, because you can swap out information so quickly you are less likely to feel stutters when swapping out data.

Aaaaaah. So if I use too much vram on say a 970 I get stutter, but with HBM, because its a heck of alot faster, I don't either get much stutter or its not present at all? Am I on the right track??

[don_svetlio]

Aaaaaah. So if I use too much vram on say a 970 I get stutter, but with HBM, because its a heck of alot faster, I don't either get much stutter or its not present at all? Am I on the right track??

More or less, if you exceed by say 200MB you are unlikely to notice with HBM whereas with GDDR5 you WILL stutter and/or crash - happens to me on the 280

[Lays]

But then again, I don't think buying a cheaper card and relying on OC is better because of the unfortunate Silicon Lottery, despite 900 Series being great overclocked.

 

 

You could always buy a card you know is a good overclocker

 

*points at classifieds button at the top of the page*

 

[masked106]

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The Fury X makes up for only 4GB with the insane memory interface and bandwidth.

So it kind of uses less Vram than compared to GDDR5??

[Citadelen]

So it kind of uses less Vram than compared to GDDR5??

In a way yes, it uses a lot more efficiently, which is just as well as HBM one is limited to 4GB.

[don_svetlio]

You could always buy a card you know is a good overclocker

 

*points at classifieds button at the top of the page*

 

no warranty

[masked106]

I see now. Would a 650W PSU be enough? Using the V650s from Cooler Master

[Lays]

no warranty

 

 

EVGA has transferable warranty lol

[Lays]

@don_svetlio

 

[don_svetlio]

I see now. Would a 650W PSU be enough? Using the V650s from Cooler Master

more than enough

 

EVGA has transferable warranty lol

point taken

[Shoob]

They trade blows at 1080p and the Fury manages to pull ahead in 1440p by around 10%.

However, a decently overclocked 980 can surpass the Fury. If you are willing to OC and the 980 is cheaper, then it's a better choice.

[Citadelen]

They trade blows at 1080p and the Fury manages to pull ahead in 1440p by around 10%.

However, a decently overclocked 980 can surpass the Fury. If you are willing to OC and the 980 is cheaper, then it's a better choice.

That's with the old drivers, it's performance has improved since.

[mytzui]

I would go for the Fury, it's faster as it currently stands.

 

The infusion of new technologies in the fury has great potential in the years to come especially with the release of directx 12.

[MEC-777]

I was considering the Fury, primarily when GPU shopping recently. However, Fury prices are too steep here in Canada right now, so I bought a 980 Strix for about $200 less than a Fury. 

 

Seeing how, out of the box, the Fury is a little faster over all, I couldn't justify the price difference for such a small performance difference. And then there's OCing potential, which puts the 980 ahead. 

 

Anyways, the point of what I'm saying is; go with which ever offers the best price to performance at the time. 

 

Also, you're not stuck or forced into playing your games at 1080p just because you have a 1080p monitor. You can have better image quality and maintain solid performance by using the DSR/VSR feature.  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/497609-vsrdsr-feature-guide-get-more-out-of-your-1080p-display/

[don_svetlio]

I was considering the Fury, primarily when GPU shopping recently. However, Fury prices are too steep here in Canada right now, so I bought a 980 Strix for about $200 less than a Fury. 

 

Seeing how, out of the box, the Fury is a little faster over all, I couldn't justify the price difference for such a small performance difference. And then there's OCing potential, which puts the 980 ahead. 

 

Anyways, the point of what I'm saying is; go with which ever offers the best price to performance at the time. 

 

Also, you're not stuck or forced into playing your games at 1080p just because you have a 1080p monitor. You can have better image quality and maintain solid performance by using the DSR/VSR feature.  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/497609-vsrdsr-feature-guide-get-more-out-of-your-1080p-display/

I beg to differ, performance difference is around 12-15% - Tek Syndicate needed to get 1550MHz on the core just to match a Fury using a Classified 980

[Citadelen]

I beg to differ, performance difference is around 12-15% - Tek Syndicate needed to get 1550MHz on the core just to match a Fury using a Classified 980

I was just about to link that video.

Edit: Oh wait I already have. ​

[TheCaptain53]

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The Fury X makes up for only 4GB with the insane memory interface and bandwidth.

The issue with this graph is that it doesn't really show memory usage scaling with what type, but more with how much is available.

For example, at 1440p, the Titan X is using 1.2GB more than the GTX 980 Ti, even though there is more VRAM available on both cards.

VRAM usage is a strange one, and its usage is certainly something that is difficult to estimate or generalise to other products.