What have i done?

[ThinkWithPortals]

And you have a 390, my point made my good man :lol: . This gentleman has a 980ti, Digital Foundry has shown that a i5 will limit a 980ti, to death. That horse is dead my good man, it has ceased to be.

Can you link me to that thing from Digital Foundry? 

[MEC-777]

Phenom II > FX 6000

GUYS - this is a Phenom II X6 1090T - it's on par with a 2500K

 

And this is just sad. That older AMD CPUs are faster than their newer ones. How the heck did they advance backwards? lol.  

 

Zen needs to get here very soon... 

 

With every release of a new game the bar gets raised, a i5 is already not enough for anything past 1080p and is barely enough for 1080p. I see the i5 as a bad investment for someone with a 980ti. 390/970, maybe the i5 is a good choice.

 

In Project Cars, my i5 is pegged at 100% usage along with both R9 290's in crossfire. Modern games and high-end GPUs are starting to show the limits of the i5's. 

 

They are still fantastic gaming CPUs, best for the money, IMO. 

[App4that]

Can you link me to that thing from Digital Foundry? 

Watch for what happens in town.

 

 

Again watch what happens in the city, the i7 protects against dips.

 

[NightMiu]

And this is just sad. That older AMD CPUs are faster than their newer ones. How the heck did they advance backwards? lol.

 

Zen needs to get here very soon... 

 

 

In Project Cars, my i5 is pegged at 100% usage along with both R9 290's in crossfire. Modern games and high-end GPUs are starting to show the limits of the i5's. 

 

They are still fantastic gaming CPUs, best for the money, IMO. 

I was like thinking for a sec that I'll wait for the zen and then a flash of white light took me to a place called reality, and then I remberd all the hype of the fury and that it could bearly compete with the 980ti, so to be qiute honest I think the zen will just be able compete with intels cpu's, while the pc burns down with the house.

 

Cost to performance. Z97>X99>Z170

 

Performance. X99>Z170>Z97

Thank you

[ThinkWithPortals]

 

Alright, of course it won't perform as well as the i7, but I think saying that an i5 is "barely enough for 1080p" and that a 980 Ti will limit it "to death" is a huge exaggeration. It's still a very capable chip especially at it's price and those tests show it performing just fine.

[App4that]

Alright, of course it won't perform as well as the i7, but I think saying that an i5 is "barely enough for 1080p" and that a 980 Ti will limit it "to death" is a huge exaggeration. It's still a very capable chip especially at it's price and those tests show it performing just fine.

 

You misunderstood :lol:  The "to death" was the point that the i5 isn't enough. I showed some older games, the Skylake stuff is really embarrassing to the i5. And don't get me started on Fallout 4, where you not only need a i7 but the fastest ram made by man to keep from suffering fps dips. And that's what this is about, you don't buy a 980ti, then buy a i5 so as to suffer fps dips. We 390 proletariats are to suffer those alone.

[ThinkWithPortals]

You misunderstood :lol:  The "to death" was the point that the i5 isn't enough. I showed some older games, the Skylake stuff is really embarrassing to the i5. And don't get me started on Fallout 4, where you not only need a i7 but the fastest ram made by man to keep from suffering fps dips. And that's what this is about, you don't buy a 980ti, then buy a i5 so as to suffer fps dips. We 390 proletariats are to suffer those alone.

I see our misunderstanding, and apologise.

 

I get zero frame dips on my 390 with anything I throw at it.

[App4that]

I see our misunderstanding, and apologise.

 

I get zero frame dips on my 390 with anything I throw at it.

Try Fallout 4, or if frustration isn't your thing don't LOL. Fallout 4 has single handedly sold me on getting a i7, which really pisses me off because I love my little 4690k that could and it was one hell of a scratch off silicon lottery ticket. Very slim chance I'll do as well with the i7 in that regard. But it's frustrating as hell to suffer dips like you see in Fallout 4. Digital Foundry proved you need a 4790k at least in Fallout 4 to get away from the dips, along with ram running at 2400mhz... This is why I don't have a car :lol:

[NightMiu]

Try Fallout 4, or if frustration isn't your thing don't LOL. Fallout 4 has single handedly sold me on getting a i7, which really pisses me off because I love my little 4690k that could and it was one hell of a scratch off silicon lottery ticket. Very slim chance I'll do as well with the i7 in that regard. But it's frustrating as hell to suffer dips like you see in Fallout 4. Digital Foundry proved you need a 4790k at least in Fallout 4 to get away from the dips, along with ram running at 2400mhz... This is why I don't have a car :lol:

Protip: Turn shadow distance to medium, I'm running 60fps most of the time

[App4that]

Protip: Turn shadow distance to medium, I'm running 60fps most of the time

That works because that's the console setting. I know it's placing my vanity before mental stability but my pride won't allow me to run console settings. I have it running pretty smooth using the latest Crimson driver and my ram overclocked to 2200mhz. The beta patch from Bethesda KILLS your fps, so avoid that at all costs. And my 290 runs Fallout better than my 390 for some reason.

[NightMiu]

That works because that's the console setting. I know it's placing my vanity before mental stability but my pride won't allow me to run console settings. I have it running pretty smooth using the latest Crimson driver and my ram overclocked to 2200mhz. The beta patch from Bethesda KILLS your fps, so avoid that at all costs. And my 290 runs Fallout better than my 390 for some reason.

The shadow distance is in the launcher, under advanced. You mean the beta patch?

[App4that]

The shadow distance is in the launcher, under advanced. You mean the beta patch?

The difference between medium and high with shadow distance is quite large. Both the PS4 and Xbox run the game with the shadow distance set to medium, other than the bush population the difference between shadow distance at medium and high/ultra is the difference between console and PC. Digital Foundry busted that wide open a week ago.

The beta patch from Bethesda which you can access through Steam, is horrible. It caused way more problems than I ever experienced with the launch version of the game, I uninstalled the beta patch almost immediately. I never tried a driver pack from before Crimson with the beta patch though, so no idea if that would help.

[PlayStation 2]

Not enough to give a fuck about it. OC that bitch and you'll probably be playing everything at 1080p60

[NightMiu]

The difference between medium and high with shadow distance is quite large. Both the PS4 and Xbox run the game with the shadow distance set to medium, other than the bush population the difference between shadow distance at medium and high/ultra is the difference between console and PC. Digital Foundry busted that wide open a week ago.

The beta patch from Bethesda which you can access through Steam, is horrible. It caused way more problems than I ever experienced with the launch version of the game, I uninstalled the beta patch almost immediately. I never tried a driver pack from before Crimson with the beta patch though, so no idea if that would help.

Alright, thanks for the heads up.

[MEC-777]

I was like thinking for a sec that I'll wait for the zen and then a flash of white light took me to a place called reality, and then I remberd all the hype of the fury and that it could bearly compete with the 980ti, so to be qiute honest I think the zen will just be able compete with intels cpu's, while the pc burns down with the house.

 

Thank you

 

That's why you don't board the hype train and simply wait for real world numbers after launch.

 

Speculation often breeds unrealistic expectations. 

 

Not enough to give a fuck about it. OC that bitch and you'll probably be playing everything at 1080p60

 

Forget 1080. More likely to run into frame rate dips at 1080. OP should use VSR/DSR to run games at higher resolutions. They'll not only look but run better (turn AA off/down). And since the majority of the load will be on the GPU, this reduces CPU load which should help reduce CPU bottlenecking.

[PlayStation 2]

Forget 1080. More likely to run into frame rate dips at 1080. OP should use VSR/DSR to run games at higher resolutions. They'll not only look but run better (turn AA off/down). And since the majority of the load will be on the GPU, this reduces CPU load which should help reduce CPU bottlenecking.

I constantly hear this but this is a stupid ass lie that needs to die. The CPU load doesn't weaken at higher resolutions. It actually gets a bit higher but the GPU ends up getting power starved, thus making the CPU a slight less priority. The only place where the CPU becomes a bottleneck with a good GPU is low settings and low resolutions.

[MEC-777]

I constantly hear this but this is a stupid ass lie that needs to die. The CPU load doesn't weaken at higher resolutions. It actually gets a bit higher but the GPU ends up getting power starved, thus making the CPU a slight less priority. The only place where the CPU becomes a bottleneck with a good GPU is low settings and low resolutions.

 

It's not a lie. Give the GPU more work to do, load it up 100% and the CPU then has to wait for the GPU to finish the previous set of instructions. Less load on the CPU relative to the GPU. You want the GPU to be the bottleneck because that means you're getting the highest frame rate possible at that resolution. By using VSR/DSR and turning off filters like AA etc, which are often not needed when you use DSR/VSR, that also helps reduce CPU load. 

[PlayStation 2]

It's not a lie. Give the GPU more work to do, load it up 100% and the CPU then has to wait for the GPU to finish the previous set of instructions. Less load on the CPU relative to the GPU. You want the GPU to be the bottleneck because that means you're getting the highest frame rate possible at that resolution. By using VSR/DSR and turning off filters like AA etc, which are often not needed when you use DSR/VSR, that also helps reduce CPU load. 

The CPU is still doing the same amount of work at both resolutions. It just has to wait for the GPU to do its part.

[MEC-777]

The CPU is still doing the same amount of work at both resolutions. It just has to wait for the GPU to do its part.

 

The CPU has the same amount of work to do, but it now has more time to do it, thus reducing it's load/usage.

[PlayStation 2]

The CPU has the same amount of work to do, but it now has more time to do it, thus reducing it's load/usage.

....kind of.

The thing is, regardless of GPU load, the CPU still has to execute X code in a specified time slot, unless you're a game like Need for Speed Rivals. If X code isn't executed regardless of whether the GPU is catching up or not, this can cause errors or flat-out slow the game down.

[MEC-777]

....kind of.

The thing is, regardless of GPU load, the CPU still has to execute X code in a specified time slot, unless you're a game like Need for Speed Rivals. If X code isn't executed regardless of whether the GPU is catching up or not, this can cause errors or flat-out slow the game down.

 

Yep. I know know what you mean.

[SaladFingers]

What have you done???? You bought a kick-ass card!! That's what you did, lol. But that CPU won't be very happy about it, you will make it feel inadequate and eventually be an emotional wreck :'(

 

Seriously though, just plan an upgrade. Put the card in, see how it performs, if it's not TOO bad for the games you're playing then delay it. Really, the card itself costs like, double the amount of money you need to upgrade your mobo+cpu to a point where it won't be bottlenecked.

 

Save up and upgrade whenever you feel like it!