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Hello community,

 

at first I want to warn you. My english knowledge is rather poor. So if you are a grammar nazi: Better stop reading here  ;)

 

 

First things first:

 

1) Budget and Location

Germany. Around 2000€. Will not mind paying less tough  :D

 

2) Aim

  • able to play upcoming high quality games like Battlefield 5, Star Citizen, Arma 3, GTA [...]
  • slight overclocking on CPU
  • silent
  • Want to use it as long as possible without expensive upgrades (Are 7-8 years possible?)
  • good cooling (room heats up to 25-28°C during summer)

 

3) Monitors

Currently use a Samsung BX2250 (1080p,60HZ). It is a good monitor, but I might get one with a higher refresh rate and resolution - if they get cheaper.

 

4) Peripherals

I will use the OS of my current system and do not need any peripherals. 

 

5) Why are you upgrading?

It is time for me to get a new PC, because my current system is noisy, poorly cooled and also eating graphics cards for breakfast. They only survive about a year in my case. Then they are dead and I need to make use of the warranty. Luckily they always refunded me the full price.

I simply do not want to invest anymore in this system, as I would need a new case, more fans, new CPU cooler and more. It is time to move on after 4 years.

 

 

Hardware:

 

First thoughts:

  • CPU:                   i7 6700K boxed                                              380€                
  • Motherboard:      ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero                      200€                   
  • RAM:                  Kingston HyperX Fury DDR4 2666                 90€            
  • PSU:                   Corsair RM650                                               110€
  • GPU:                   EVGA GTX 980 Ti Hybrid                               800€
  • Storage:             1 TB HDD needed                                           ~50-100€
  • Case:                  Fractal Define R5 with window                        110€
  • CPU cooler:        Corsair H100i GTX                                          150€

 

So all in all that is around 2000€. So now it is your turn, as I am insecure about so many components. 

 

1) Is the RAM good? Any other options?

 

2) What about the PSU? Are 650W enough? Any other options?

 

3) The hybrid is really expensive. So a cheaper 980 ti  would be great. Requirements: Silent when gaming and with a cooling solution good enough to keep the card cool during summer (25-28°C in the room).

    I will not overclock the card. EVGA seems to be good. They offer extended warranty and you can return dead cards directly to them.

 

4) Can you recommend me a good HDD? Do not need a SSD, as I already own a Samsung 850 evo.

 

5) Really like the design of the R5. Thought about removing some hard drive cages in order to get better airflow (only need space for 1 SSD and 1 or 2 HDDs). Is this case good? What about the airflow?

    Can I create positive pressure to keep the dust out of the case?

 

6) The CPU cooler is another point. It somehow does not feel right to mount a heavy air cooler on a fragile and expensive motherboard. So I thought about getting an AIO water cooler. 

    Which CPU cooler would you recommend? I would like to do some slight overclocking. 

 

7) Hero or Ranger?

 

8) When will games start using more cores? Is a 5820K a better option for future proof gaming?

 

 

How many additional fans would you get for a better airflow? 

 

Thanks for your help

                                                                                                                                                                  

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7-8 years? Waaaat?!

 

Build is OK but if you want to use it for so long then dont buy GTX 980ti but get R9 390 instead and upgrade 2-3 years later for GPU in the same price bracket and you will get a lot more performance and spend the same amount of money or less.

Especialy when you play only on 1080p 60Hz... 980ti is just waste of money then.

 

Corsair RM650 is overpriced PSU for what it is. Get Super Flower, Seasonic, XFX, Antec or EVGA. (I recommend EVGA G2 or Super Flower Leadex). And yes 650W is way more than enough.

 

Get cheaper Motherboard and get SSD for the money you save instead. (nevermind)

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You will not have to spend 2k for 1080p@60Hz.

7 or even 8 years of use is pretty unrealistic though.

Would be cool if you told us more about your cenarios of use. Only gaming? Rendering? ... Tell us so we can tell you ...

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You probably want to buy a new monitor if you are spending that much. A 980Ti is overkill for 1080p, look at getting a 1440p monitor, or even a 120hz or 144hz monitor. It will be worth it. Otherwise, you might experience 'Visual bottlenecking'

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Visual bottlenecking'

Never heard that term before but will definitely keep it in the back of my head :D

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7-8 years was a question, not a target.

I'll only use it for normal web browsing and gaming. So no rendering at all. That's why I went from the 5820k to the 6700k.

What about cooling? better options than the h100i gtx?

Which GPU would you recommend?

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7-8 years was a question, not a target.

I'll only use it for normal web browsing and gaming. So no rendering at all. That's why I went from the 5820k to the 6700k.

What about cooling? better options than the h100i gtx?

Which GPU would you recommend?

Do you mind the difference between 60Hz and 120/144Hz ?

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Sadly never had the chance to play on a 120 or 144Hz monitor and am not able to get this experience soon. But I'm quite sure that I'll feel the difference. So I want the hardware that's able to get those high fps. And as soon as monitor prices drop I'll get one.

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in terms of 7-8 years spending a lot now is a waste for 1080p i would think more towards splitting the budget, and then upgrading later. remember 8 years ago we are talking nvidia 8800 gt. .-. for 1080p gaming, i would reccomend something around the 950 euro range, so you have a ton of money to upgrade your gfx card (maybe your processor and mobo too) later down the road.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($76.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($41.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($52.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card  ($318.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1022.23
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this will own 1080p just fine and probably with the r9 390 for another couple years to come.

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Never heard that term before but will definitely keep it in the back of my head :D

Made it up on the spot!

But ya know, spread it around xD

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in terms of 7-8 years spending a lot now is a waste for 1080p i would think more towards splitting the budget, and then upgrading later. remember 8 years ago we are talking nvidia 8800 gt. .-. for 1080p gaming, i would reccomend something around the 950 euro range, so you have a ton of money to upgrade your gfx card (maybe your processor and mobo too) later down the road.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($76.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($41.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($52.33 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390 8GB Nitro Video Card  ($318.98 @ Newegg)

Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Blue) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($64.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $1022.23

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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this will own 1080p just fine and probably with the r9 390 for another couple years to come.

Germany not america. Prices are far different there/ here xD

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Germany not america. Prices are far different there/ here xD

Yeha not quite sure how to switch region on pcpartpicker ;P

 

Don't focus too much on the resolution I'm currently using. I said more than once, that I want to upgrade my monitor. So getting a 1080p gaming pc is no option.

970 can still do 1440p gaming and, if you want, upgrading to a 980 or 980 ti will really own 1440p and wont be bottlenecked by the other hardware.

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So @germanDude I reccomend following your topics (and reading my signature btw :D ).

You situation looks like this.

Anything but the 980 Ti is definetily to weak for 2560x1080p @144Hz.

You have a few options:

  1. Go down to 2560x2440p @60Hz
  2. Go down to 2560x1080p @144Hz
  3. Go down to 1920x1080p @144Hz

(EDIT: And even one 980 Ti is a little weak for WQHD @144Hz)

As for 60Hz you said you'd rather go with a higher refreshrate if you can so option 1 is not a thing.

 

for 2560x1080p I would go 980 Ti to hit the sweatspot of monitor utilization.

For 1920x1080p @144Hz you might get away with a 980/Fury/Fury X.

I will have to do some reseach before reccommending any specific model of those. This might be a good idea since they are less expensive then a 980 Ti.

I personally would go for the 21:9 (2560x1080p) just because you will have more desktop space and imo the money would not feel that well spent when just getting a 144Hz 1080p monitor when coming from 1080p @60Hz. (IMO).

So what do you think. We will try to fit waht you want inside a budegt as good as we can.(At least I will)

 

Yeha not quite sure how to switch region on pcpartpicker ;P

 

970 can still do 1440p gaming and, if you want, upgrading to a 980 or 980 ti will really own 1440p and wont be bottlenecked by the other hardware.

Top right is says united states. Open the dropdown menue and chose germany (Deutschland).

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So @germanDude I reccomend following your topics (and reading my signature btw :D ).

Haha ok. But I dont get point 1 and 4 to be honest tough. (Just joined to hear opinions about my plans)

 

 

  1. Go down to 2560x2440p @60Hz
  2. Go down to 2560x1080p @144Hz
  3. Go down to 1920x1080p @144Hz

I am not into nowadays resolutions etc. Are there no  monitors with a higher resolution than 1080p with 120Hz? How would you describe the difference between 144 and 120Hz?

Speaking without experience, 120Hz sound enough  :D

 

 

I will have to do some reseach before reccommending any specific model of those. This might be a good idea since they are less expensive then a 980 Ti.

I personally would go for the 21:9 (2560x1080p) just because you will have more desktop space and imo the money would not feel that well spent when just getting a 144Hz 1080p monitor when coming from 1080p @60Hz. (IMO).

 

You have a good point! But are those 21:9 screens good for gaming? Never seen any of those. 

 

Different topic:

What do you think about saving money by:

  •  Getting a high end air cooler instead of a AIO water cooler for my CPU
  • getting a air cooled GPU instead of the EVGA hybrid 
  • getting ranger instead of hero board

(in order to get the new monitor earlier)

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Hi, germanDude. I don't really have any advice for you right now but I'm also in Germany and also looking to do a ~2000€ gaming build so felt the need to say hey. I have a thread here so maybe some future questions you have are answered there. Either way, I had the same question about air cooler vs. AIO cooler and I'm pretty sure I'm going with a high-end air cooler (the Noctua NH-D15). Now I just need to decide on a monitor (see here) and then find the best place to get all the parts. I imagine it'll be a combination of Mindfactory and Amazon. 

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Either way, I had the same question about air cooler vs. AIO cooler and I'm pretty sure I'm going with a high-end air cooler (the Noctua NH-D15). Now I just need to decide on a monitor (see here) and then find the best place to get all the parts. I imagine it'll be a combination of Mindfactory and Amazon. 

I decided to go with the H100i GTX and may replace the fans later. Dont like mounting something that big on a fragile  board. 

How did you pick your PSU? Tell me, when your build is finished :)

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I decided to go with the H100i GTX and may replace the fans later. Dont like mounting something that big on a fragile  board. 

How did you pick your PSU? Tell me, when your build is finished :)

 

Yeah, I know what you mean about such a big air cooler. As for the PSU, someone recommended it to me. I know it's a good quality PSU but I'm not quite sure yet if 850W is overkill for the system I'm building. I imagine 750W would be enough but there's very little between the two when it comes to the price.

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Yeah, I know what you mean about such a big air cooler. As for the PSU, someone recommended it to me. I know it's a good quality PSU but I'm not quite sure yet if 850W is overkill for the system I'm building. I imagine 750W would be enough but there's very little between the two when it comes to the price.

 

I will most likely get a 650W PSU. More than enough. Used several calculators.

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IF you want an 980TI you'll have to upgrade to a better monitor and i see you play shooters Battlefield 4 & stuff it will be amazed with 1440P 1MS 144Hz like its absolutely fantastic worth the money its gonna give you a whole diffrent experience...
 
This is if you want it without a 980TI because you dont have the money for it you could upgrade to a better GPU later other than that if you dont reach 144fps turn the settings DOWN a little bit you're still gonna be running MEDIUM/HIGH i would suggest you just turn anti aliasing off its not needed for an resolution above 1080p in my opinion use little to no anti aliasing only when you notice it.
 
 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€123.22 @ Mindfactory) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€214.23 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (€103.05 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€97.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€50.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390X 8GB Video Card  (€444.79 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€91.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Monitor: Acer XG270HU 144Hz 27.0" Monitor  (€487.41 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Other: 6700K SOMEWHERE NEAR / LOCAL TECH STORE (€320.00)
Total: €2050.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-28 18:35 CET+0100
 
BTW i added in an SSD because it fits your budget for the extra storage for more games and overall just fast storage for your programs.

 

Oh you're obviously not gonna make to 144fps in ARMA 3 ever thats just how ARMA 3 and their engine & stuff works... but you're still gonna have a damn SOLID experience.

 

 
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IF you want an 980TI you'll have to upgrade to a better monitor and i see you play shooters Battlefield 4 & stuff it will be amazed with 1440P 1MS 144Hz like its absolutely fantastic worth the money its gonna give you a whole diffrent experience...

 

This is if you want it without a 980TI because you dont have the money for it you could upgrade to a better GPU later other than that if you dont reach 144fps turn the settings DOWN a little bit you're still gonna be running MEDIUM/HIGH i would suggest you just turn anti aliasing off its not needed for an resolution above 1080p in my opinion use little to no anti aliasing only when you notice it.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€123.22 @ Mindfactory) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€214.23 @ Mindfactory) 

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (€103.05 @ Mindfactory) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€97.84 @ Mindfactory) 

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€50.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390X 8GB Video Card  (€444.79 @ Mindfactory) 

Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€117.18 @ Mindfactory) 

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€91.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Monitor: Acer XG270HU 144Hz 27.0" Monitor  (€487.41 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Other: 6700K SOMEWHERE NEAR / LOCAL TECH STORE (€320.00)

Total: €2050.56

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-28 18:35 CET+0100

 

BTW i added in an SSD because it fits your budget for the extra storage for more games and overall just fast storage for your programs.

 

Oh you're obviously not gonna make to 144fps in ARMA 3 ever thats just how ARMA 3 and their engine & stuff works... but you're still gonna have a damn SOLID experience.

He says he has an 850 EVO.

The 6700k is ~350€.

Just wanna correct some stuff. Your thought process is pretty logical and informative.

Yeah, ... ArmA *facepalm* you will get 40-70 gaps depending on setup and settings. It is not as twitch of a game though so don't worry to much.

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IF you want an 980TI you'll have to upgrade to a better monitor and i see you play shooters Battlefield 4 & stuff it will be amazed with 1440P 1MS 144Hz like its absolutely fantastic worth the money its gonna give you a whole diffrent experience...

This is if you want it without a 980TI because you dont have the money for it you could upgrade to a better GPU later other than that if you dont reach 144fps turn the settings DOWN a little bit you're still gonna be running MEDIUM/HIGH i would suggest you just turn anti aliasing off its not needed for an resolution above 1080p in my opinion use little to no anti aliasing only when you notice it.

Yeah a new monitor will be a thing. 120Hz should be enough tough. Nothing to fancy, just something improving my experience. It sucks that I can't experience such a monitor with g-snyc and stuff. None of my friends owns a monitor like that.
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He says he has an 850 EVO.

The 6700k is ~350€.

Just wanna correct some stuff. Your thought process is pretty logical and informative.

Would you buy the 6700k at mindfactory? The WOF version can be both Tray or boxed. Don't get which one I'm buying there.

Which monitor would you recommend? 120Hz if they are significantly cheaper as 144Hz.

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