Good AMD build?

[Tarzan]

Hello LTT community,

 

When I started to be interested in computers, and when I built my first desktop PC ever (1 year ago), I only thought about Intel and nVidia. I didn't really know about AMD, and I think I could have built a great computer for less the price I paid a year ago.

 

Anyway, here is the thing: a friend of mine would like a nice gaming rig. He's tried my computer and was glad with its performance and wants me to build one for him too. He doesn't know anything about computers as well, so here I am asking you. I'd like to build a AMD build for him that would be equivalent to mine (i5-4690K, Z97 Gaming 5, Strix 970), or a bit less powerful, it won't matter.

 

Budget is around 800-900€ without peripherals. If it's less it's ok too. It's for 1080p gaming. SSD needed. If possible MicroATX.

 

I'm new to AMD products, but these seems really good for the price, so... why not?

 

EDIT: PCpartpicker.de will work for Belgium (Amazon.de is free delivery).

[aneil1998]

If you're planning to use the AMD CPU for single threaded applications, you're more or less fucked as the the single core performance is terrible compared to intel.

[alexhelvetica]

The stupid FX 9 series (CPU's that melt Mobos) is the closest you are going to get to a i5 4690k
 

The R9 390 is faster than the 970 for around the same price.

[PlayStation 2]

If he's doing single threaded shit, rip his performance.

If he's doing multi threaded shit, FX-8320e, 390, and some decent motherboard

[don_svetlio]

Intel + AMD is currently Optimal.

[The_Stig]

Get a i5 4690k and a 390 

[MrChavelo]

Call me a fanboy, but there is no such good build with an AMD cpu

[Tarzan]

Why you're all so negative about AMD CPU's? When I look on Amazon, it gets really positive reviews: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUTWELC/?tag=pcpapi-20

[Morgan MLGman]

Why you're all so negative about AMD CPU's? When I look on Amazon, it gets really positive reviews: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUTWELC/?tag=pcpapi-20

They're bad in single-threaded applications, I own an AMD FX-8350, I'm very happy with it, it's powerful and has many cores, works great in most new games, however people that use software relying on single-core performance are going to have a bad time even after overclocking.

EDIT: If you want AMD your best bet is getting an 8320/8350 and overclocking it over 4,5ghz, it's easy, just get a good cooler, and as for the GPU the R9 390 or an R9 290X if you can find it for the same price as 390.

[stconquest]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€177.68 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: RAIJINTEK AIDOS 48.6 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€24.40 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€45.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (€39.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€84.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card  (€317.89 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€34.15 @ Amazon Deutschland)  <<Needs a dust filter for the front two fans
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€65.97 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling AFACO-120P2-GBA01 74.0 CFM 120mm  Fan  (€4.41 @ Amazon Deutschland)  <<Front Intake
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling AFACO-120P2-GBA01 74.0 CFM 120mm  Fan  (€4.41 @ Amazon Deutschland)  <<Front Intake
Total: €799.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-21 14:32 CEST+0200

 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€236.63 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: RAIJINTEK AIDOS 48.6 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€24.40 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€80.53 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (€47.93 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€84.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card  (€317.89 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Thermaltake Versa H22 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€34.15 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€65.97 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling AFACO-120P2-GBA01 74.0 CFM 120mm  Fan  (€4.41 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Arctic Cooling AFACO-120P2-GBA01 74.0 CFM 120mm  Fan  (€4.41 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €901.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-21 14:38 CEST+0200

[Totallycasual]

Sounds like an oxymoron 

[Nacho Marco Segui]

Why you're all so negative about AMD CPU's? When I look on Amazon, it gets really positive reviews: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUTWELC/?tag=pcpapi-20

Just don`t rely on amazon reviews,just don`t

[stconquest]

Why you're all so negative about AMD CPU's? When I look on Amazon, it gets really positive reviews: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUTWELC/?tag=pcpapi-20

 

Are you really trying to argue in favor of an AMD CPU (which is inferior to Intel CPUs, especially for gaming) by reading amazon reviews?

[Tarzan]

Are you really trying to argue in favor of an AMD CPU (which is inferior to Intel CPUs, especially for gaming) by reading amazon reviews?

No, I was just wondering why it gets such positive reviews, whereas when I come to LLT, it's all negative. I know nothing, that's why I asked this question.

 

I mean, to play Age of Mythology, Need For Speed (the new coming to PC in 2016), Age of Empires II, and maybe other similar games, besides surfing the web, doing some streaming and rendering, and work stuffs, a AMD CPU is that bad? If so, I'll go Intel indeed.

[stconquest]

No, I was just wondering why it gets such positive reviews, whereas when I come to LLT, it's all negative. I know nothing, that's why I asked this question.

 

I mean, to play Age of Mythology, Need For Speed (the new coming to PC in 2016), Age of Empires II, and maybe other similar games, besides surfing the web, doing some streaming and rendering, and work stuffs, a AMD CPU is that bad? If so, I'll go Intel indeed.

 

An FX 8XXX can only really keep up with the i5 when multicore programs are asking for the extra cores.  In those cases, a Xeon E3-1230/1231 would be better, because the Xeon can can handle the multi threaded applications (as good or better than the FX 8XXX) AND runs games like an i5 would.

 

AMD FX CPUs have to be overclocked which becomes an extra hassle (motherboard VRMs, CPU cooling).  Don't do that to your friend.  Even overclocked, the stock i5 4440 will beat in them gaming most of the time.

[Djole123]

I also think AMD is good, so...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Micro Center)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($82.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 32GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($29.99 @ Amazon)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.89 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($175.99 @ NCIX US)

Case: Thermaltake VO545A1N2U ATX Mid Tower Case w/450W Power Supply ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $631.71

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-21 10:13 EDT-0400

[A10-FTW]

Why you're all so negative about AMD CPU's? When I look on Amazon, it gets really positive reviews: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUTWELC/?tag=pcpapi-20

 

they are not bad cpus, in fact they are really good cpus (the AMD cpus)

 

but the "standar" power of a gaming cpu is so high this days

 

that they call all others cpu "bad" (there are not)

 

 

 

bottlenecks is the real wall here

 

and the true is that "any" 4 cores or more cpu (or apu)

 

will be all we need to pass this "cpu bottleneck" and go to a "gpu bottleneck"

 

(the gpu is the most important part of the gaming pc)

 

 

 

but...

 

your build will use a really powerful gpu

 

and to avoid the cpu bottleneck (and to pass to a gpu bottleneck)

 

you will need a powerful cpu

 

from intel the i5 (check this one really have 4 cores) is a great choice

 

from AMD the FX 8350 "vishera" or the "cheap" FX 6300 "vishera" are great choices 

 

 

 

with the cpu problem out of your head, the most important part... is the gpu

 

you need a R9 290 minimum (also the R9 290X have great prices this days)

 

i think you can build a FX 6300 + R9 390 "nitro" that will beat your own build and will be cheaper

 

(cheap cpu = put all your money in the gpu)

 

 

 

and form the intel/nvidia line (a less powerful build) i5 + GTX 970

 

but this is something that you already know (and you can trust your own tests already)

 

so you know well the build

 

 

 

but yea...

 

my real problem with the 970 is that "i want more" ram (the R9 390 have 8GB)

 

i think a i5 (new cpu and motherboards are always good) plus the R9 390 "nitro" will be my advice in this case

 

good luck 

[stconquest]

 

 

they are not bad cpus, in fact they are really good cpus (the AMD cpus)

 

but the "standar" power of a gaming cpu is so high this days

 

that they call all others cpu "bad" (there are not)  For gaming they are bad, as Intel has much better options at almost every price range.  That 860K build is a great value.

 

 

 

bottlenecks is the real wall here

 

and the true is that "any" 4 cores or more cpu (or apu)

 

will be all we need to pass this "cpu bottleneck" and go to a "gpu bottleneck"  <<This part is 100% correct.

 

(the gpu is the most important part of the gaming pc)

 

 

 

but...

 

your build will use a really powerful gpu

 

and to avoid the cpu bottleneck (and to pass to a gpu bottleneck)

 

you will need a powerful cpu

 

from intel the i5 (check this one really have 4 cores) is a great choice

 

from AMD the FX 8350 "vishera" or the "cheap" FX 6300 "vishera" are great choices  <<not great choices at all for gaming, not when you can get an Intel at a similar price

 

 

 

with the cpu problem out of your head, the most important part... is the gpu

 

you need a R9 290 minimum (also the R9 290X have great prices this days)  <<Why?

 

i think you can build a FX 6300 + R9 390 "nitro" that will beat your own build and will be cheaper  <<How can you say this with a straight face?  Not every application uses the CPU in the same manner.  When a game or application wants a powerful CPU as well as GPU, the 6300 is complete shit... and you will see it in game.

 

(cheap cpu = put all your money in the gpu)

 

 

 

and form the intel/nvidia line (a less powerful build) i5 + GTX 970

 

but this is something that you already know (and you can trust your own tests already)

 

so you know well the build

 

 

 

but yea...

 

my real problem with the 970 is that "i want more" ram (the R9 390 have 8GB)  <<@1080p the 970 is a kickass card, all 3.5 GB of it

 

i think a i5 (new cpu and motherboards are always good) plus the R9 390 "nitro" will be my advice in this case

 

good luck 

 

 

Why would you confuse the kid with bad information.  The FX line is outdated and very slow.  The effort to even begin to keep up with a lower tier locked i5 (4440/4460) is not worth the effort.

 

Bad Veteran, bad. 

[A10-FTW]

Why would you confuse the kid with bad information.  The FX line is outdated and very slow.  The effort to even begin to keep up with a lower tier locked i5 (4440/4460) is not worth the effort.

 

Bad Veteran, bad. 

really ? 

 

here is a FX 6350 (with a 285) "that run 4K"

 

 

and this Linus build work "perfect" as you can see  :wub:

[stconquest]

really ? 

 

here is a FX 6350 (with a 285) "that run 4K"

 

and this Linus build work "perfect" as you can see  :wub:

 

You're a terrible person.

 

 

I am not going to explain why shitty CPUs seem better when running a 4K display.

[A10-FTW]

You're a terrible person.

 

 

I am not going to explain why shitty CPUs seem better when running a 4K display.

 

and this "is" your "veteran" argument

 

(of course it is)  :rolleyes:

 

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Hello LTT community,

 

When I started to be interested in computers, and when I built my first desktop PC ever (1 year ago), I only thought about Intel and nVidia. I didn't really know about AMD, and I think I could have built a great computer for less the price I paid a year ago.

 

Anyway, here is the thing: a friend of mine would like a nice gaming rig. He's tried my computer and was glad with its performance and wants me to build one for him too. He doesn't know anything about computers as well, so here I am asking you. I'd like to build a AMD build for him that would be equivalent to mine (i5-4690K, Z97 Gaming 5, Strix 970), or a bit less powerful, it won't matter.

 

Budget is around 800-900€ without peripherals. If it's less it's ok too. It's for 1080p gaming. SSD needed. If possible MicroATX.

 

I'm new to AMD products, but these seems really good for the price, so... why not?

 

EDIT: PCpartpicker.de will work for Belgium (Amazon.de is free delivery).

 

as you can see, this is also why (guys like the one up here), not many people jump in favor of AMD

 

the true hurts (so to speak)  :lol:

 

 

 

i did show you the FX 6350 "is not that bad" as they say 

 

is funny, they forget that i did recommend you a i5 instead a FX (in this case)

 

 

 

but yeah... AM3+ is old compared with the new intel motherboards

 

if you can go for a i5, go for it friend  B)

[stconquest]

 

 

and this "is" your "veteran" argument

 

(of course it is)  :rolleyes:

 

Sorry, but saying I am not going  to explain why the video you posted was useless to the OPs friend is actually not an argument at all.  It was not meant to be.

 

I am merely waiting to see if the OP will accept some of your bad advice so I can step in help him out.

 

Here's a recent thread on the topic:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/471059-fx-8350-vs-i5-4460/