CPU for 144hz?

[typographie]

Yeah but you need to keep in mind that the reason the pentium isn't the i3 is because it's slower, that's the reason pretty much, so yeah, if they made a 2 core i7 it would still be a LOT faster than the pentium, it's just core speeds, not just saying 2 cores. You need add more data to your reasoning.

 

Why do you believe it to be slower? Intel doesn't design multiple types of core per generation; they use one core architecture. That's why we use the word Haswell to describe everything from the Pentiums all the way up to the i7's. A Pentium, i3, or i5 is a derivative design of the i7 with certain features disabled.

 

You are incorrect that a two-core i7 would be faster than a two-core i3. That's what an i3 is.

 

How is the instructions per cycle on that pentium? compared to the i3?

All Haswell products from the Pentiums all the way up to the i7's are built using the same core and therefore have the same base IPC. That's why I pointed out the clock speed difference—it actually means something between two products of the same architecture.

[CalebTheEternal]

 

Why do you believe it to be slower? Intel doesn't design multiple types of core per generation; they use one core architecture. That's why we use the word Haswell to describe everything from the Pentiums all the way up to the i7's. A Pentium, i3, or i5 is a derivative design of the i7 with certain features disabled.

 

You are incorrect that a two-core i7 would be faster than a two-core i3. That's what an i3 is.

 

All Haswell products from the Pentiums all the way up to the i7's are built using the same core and therefore have the same base IPC. That's why I pointed out the clock speed difference—it actually means something between two products of the same architecture.

Confirmed, I am dumb From what I've know, which isn't really all that much, is that the are faster per core. Hm. Thanks for letting me know. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

How is the instructions per cycle on that pentium? compared to the i3?

exactly the same, they are both haswell based CPU cores so they share exactly the same instruction set support and instructions per cycle are also the same, the G3258 is overclocked to 4.2ghz as mentionned in the beginning of the video, and the i3-4130 is running at it's locked clock of 3.4ghz.

 

Confirmed, I am dumb From what I've know, which isn't really all that much, is that the are faster per core. Hm. Thanks for letting me know.

He is right, an i7 with only 2 cores active and no hyper-threading perform pretty much the same as a pentium G3258, the i7 benefit from more available cache but this won't change anything because a dual-core CPU like that ain't starving for cache as it only has 2 processing cores and the available 3mb of cache on the G3258 is already ample, here is my testing at 4.5ghz on my i7 with only 2 CPU cores active and no hyper-threading to simulate the unlocked pentium, you can see massive stuttering and long pauses in those very demanding AAA titles:

As you can see it's far from adequate if you're into those more demanding, more advanced games!

[Monarch]

i7 6700K. Take a look at this:

 

 

Notice how not only does 6700K push more frames but frametimes are also much smoother and more consistent compared to other CPUs. You should always pair a high end GPU with a high-end CPU. i5 for mid-range systems, i7 for high-end.

[msvelev]

Yes, but games can take advantage of more cores, but not virtual cores...

 

Sure they can.. That's why an i3 is enough for enjoyable GTA V experience and a Pentium clocked even higher isn't. The OS and game sees them as regular cores, so it uses them. They're just not as powerful as real cores when used simultaneously.

 

Also, most games will run perfectly fine on 144Hz with a 980@1080p. He just won't run the NEWEST AAA titles. 99.9% of the games will still run at 144+.

[i_build_nanosuits]

- Notice how not only does 6700K push more frames but frametimes are also much smoother and more consistent compared to other CPUs.

- You should always pair a high end GPU with a high-end CPU. i5 for mid-range systems, i7 for high-end.

- this is true only for CPU limited scenarios...like GTA 5 in CPU intensive scenes for example you can see slightly better performance but look at BF4 or shadow of mordor for example the performance is exactly the same down to a tee...i think you havent listened to the whole video did you?

- But indeed for very powerful graphics solutions you do want a fast and strong CPU that has great performance both on a single-threaded level AND multi-threaded as well, just to make sure that everything you trow at your system will run well.

(edit: in fact listening to this video again and GTa 5 and far cry 4 are basicaly the only games that really benefit from a faster CPU in the games tested!..it is consistently faster and better though, you can tell.)

[Monarch]

this is true only for CPU limited scenarios...like GTA 5 in CPU intensive scenes for example you can see slightly better performance but look at BF4 or shadow of mordor for example the performance is exactly the same down to a tee...i think you havent listened to the whole video did you?

But indeed for very powerful graphics solutions you do want a fast and strong CPU that has great performance both on a single-threaded level AND multi-threaded as well, just to make sure that everything you trow at your system will run well.

 

Exactly. You buy a fast GPU to get high framerate in GPU-bound scenarios. You buy fast CPU to get high framerate in CPU-bound scenarios. Even within a single game you can sometimes have a GPU intensive situation, and other times CPU intensive situations. It depends on what you're doing, what's happening, map, etc. And obviously you don't want inconsistent performance and bottlenecks.

Btw BF4 is as CPU intensive as GTA V in MP with 64 players. Especially Siege of Shanghai map.

[Nena Trinity]

I vote for a i5 with highest possible clock speed! :3

[i_build_nanosuits]

I vote for a i5 with highest possible clock speed! :3

...or a xeon 1231-V3/i7-4790K/i7-6700K is budget allow honestly, you never have too much CPU horsepower under the hood...as a long time PC gamer myself i can tell you that the CPU is the most critical part of your machine because even though at first glance it won't seem to affect performance as much as the GPU when it comes to playing games, the CPU is responsible for smootness of animations throughout, and going overkill on CPU is always a good thing because it will allow more GPU upgrades before you have to switch to a new platform/CPU...from my experience a good GPU for me personaly something higher-end last around 2 years tops before i find a need more performance, but CPU's they tend to last a lot longer when you buy good stuff...i've had CPU's that have lasted 5 years+ easily before they had to be upgraded to something better, heck my Q6600 ran strong from 2007 to 2014...it went through 4 GPU upgrades and the last one i trew at it was the HD7950 and only then did it started to be a limiting factor in my games!

So...people saying that the GPU is the most important part of a gaming PC and that you should trow all your budget on it are building their first gaming PC and most likely their last as well!

TLDR: A CPU is a good investment, they last a long time and they stay relevant for a while if you don't cheap out on it, so just don't!

[Nena Trinity]

...or a xeon 1231-V3/i7-4790K/i7-6700K is budget allow honestly, you never have too much CPU horsepower under the hood...as a long time PC gamer myself i can tell you that the CPU is the most critical part of your machine because even though at first glance it won't seem to affect performance as much as the GPU when it comes to playing games, the CPU is responsible for smootness of animations throughout, and going overkill on CPU is always a good thing because it will allow more GPU upgrades before you have to switch to a new platform/CPU...from my experience a good GPU for me personaly something higher-end last around 2 years tops before i find a need more performance, but CPU's they tend to last a lot longer when you buy good stuff...i've had CPU's that have lasted 5 years+ easily before they had to be upgraded to something better, heck my Q6600 ran strong from 2007 to 2014...it went through 4 GPU upgrades and the last one i trew at it was the HD7950 and only then did it started to be a limiting factor in my games!

So...people saying that the GPU is the most important part of a gaming PC and that you should trow all your budget on it are building their first gaming PC and most likely their last as well!

TLDR: A CPU is a good investment, they last a long time and they stay relevant for a while if you don't cheap out on it, so just don't!

Yeah Skylake i5 can be a good CPU for him then he can swap to Cannonlake later which will have 4, 6 or 8 cores!

[Guest]

...or a xeon 1231-V3/i7-4790K/i7-6700K is budget allow honestly, you never have too much CPU horsepower under the hood...as a long time PC gamer myself i can tell you that the CPU is the most critical part of your machine because even though at first glance it won't seem to affect performance as much as the GPU when it comes to playing games, the CPU is responsible for smootness of animations throughout, and going overkill on CPU is always a good thing because it will allow more GPU upgrades before you have to switch to a new platform/CPU...from my experience a good GPU for me personaly something higher-end last around 2 years tops before i find a need more performance, but CPU's they tend to last a lot longer when you buy good stuff...i've had CPU's that have lasted 5 years+ easily before they had to be upgraded to something better, heck my Q6600 ran strong from 2007 to 2014...it went through 4 GPU upgrades and the last one i trew at it was the HD7950 and only then did it started to be a limiting factor in my games!

So...people saying that the GPU is the most important part of a gaming PC and that you should trow all your budget on it are building their first gaming PC and most likely their last as well!

TLDR: A CPU is a good investment, they last a long time and they stay relevant for a while if you don't cheap out on it, so just don't!

When will xeons come out for skylake.. its either that or an i3 for me. I would get a locked i5 anyway so why not i3 or xeon.

[i_build_nanosuits]

When will xeons come out for skylake.. its either that or an i3 for me. I would get a locked i5 anyway so why not i3 or xeon.

no idea if and when skylake xeon will roll out, but a locked i5 is still worlds better than a core i3!

[Guest]

no idea if and when skylake xeon will roll out, but a locked i5 is still worlds better than a core i3!

how? the ipc is the same with the same threads and similar clock?

[i_build_nanosuits]

how? the ipc is the same with the same threads and similar clock?

hyper-threading does not equal real physical cores...that's why...it's good to have, it's better than a straight up dual core like the pentium but a real quad-core is much better.