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Yehiko
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Hello, I was just looking for parts for my budget pc, I need it for normal gaming, (LoL, AC at ~40 FPS 1080p, Shadow of mordor) and editing, focus on editing more, (premiere pro, adobe after effects, photoshop, flash, c4d)
Living in a small city in russia, I have 2 websites to buy from, they have most of the stuff, but not all, and most of the stuff they have are like 50$ more than on amazon, here is the build i got from these 2 wesbites ( prices are theirs)
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($416.66) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($123.60) 
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($172.20) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($85.81) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.79) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card  ($266.89) 
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($152.59) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($62.83) 
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K65 Compact Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($66.92) 
Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse  ($73.85) 
Total: $1496.14
 
So, then I saw this ALIENWARE x51 R2 for 1300$, so I was thinking, should I just get the AlienWare which comes with a keyboard an a mouse, and just buy a monitor, or can my build be edited to a better and for less?

 

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Hello, I was just looking for parts for my budget pc, I need it for normal gaming, (LoL, AC at ~40 FPS 1080p, Shadow of mordor) and editing, focus on editing more, (premiere pro, adobe after effects, photoshop, flash, c4d)
Living in a small city in russia, I have 2 websites to buy from, they have most of the stuff, but not all, and most of the stuff they have are like 50$ more than on amazon, here is the build i got from these 2 wesbites ( prices are theirs)
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($416.66) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($123.60) 
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($172.20) 
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($85.81) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($74.79) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 4GB Video Card  ($266.89) 
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($152.59) 
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($62.83) 
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K65 Compact Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($66.92) 
Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse  ($73.85) 
Total: $1496.14
 
So, then I saw this ALIENWARE x51 R2 for 1300$, so I was thinking, should I just get the AlienWare which comes with a keyboard an a mouse, and just buy a monitor, or can my build be edited to a better and for less?

 

the alienware doesnt come with a liquid cooler. and also u should reconsider another psu.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220gs0550v1

I recommend this

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the alienware isnt worth it...

 

your build is pretty good, but that power supply REALLY isnt advisable for that build.

 

check if your local websites have anything from the EVGA G2 series, 550 watt or higher.

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the alienware isnt worth it...

 

your build is pretty good, but that power supply REALLY isnt advisable for that build.

 

check if your local websites have anything from the EVGA G2 series, 550 watt or higher.

Nope, no evga. http://goo.gl/Seg3XB - this is all what they have, pick one from there, the cx430m was the best i could take, they have more power, but pcpartpicker says 430 is enough.

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You're definitely going to want a better PSU, as that CPU eats through power under load. It's better to have it and not need than to need it and not have it.

 

Also, your hardware can throttle it's performance if it doesn't get enough power.

What about this one? http://www.ulmart.ru/goods/389744

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THIS is the bees knees seasonic makes the best powersuplies, there so good there are many brands that resell them as there own (evga/xfx/antec).

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/451339-help-me-find-him/
 
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Super Flower, XFX, Seasonic are good brands for PSUs in EU

Corsair are good if you use their RM, HX or AX series.

 

get a R9 380 instead of the 960.

380 is actually able to use 4GB of VRAM... the 960 cannot effectively use 4GB of VRAM, it runs out of GPU horsepower long before it can use it.

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Images of setup: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?p=5872590

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Whaaaat? 

yes, the 960 cannot render fast enough to effectively use 4GB of VRAM.... the GPU would be running out of juice at around 2.5 to 3GB.... everything "beyond" that is just stuff being piled up in the VRAM waiting to be processed, instead of being "worked at"

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yes, the 960 cannot render fast enough to effectively use 4GB of VRAM.... the GPU would be running out of juice at around 2.5 to 3GB.... everything "beyond" that is just stuff being piled up in the VRAM waiting to be processed, instead of being "worked at"

That's odd.  Where did you get that info? 

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Must be heresay if you don't have a source. I'm happy to believe reputable sources, but not heresay.

honestly though, it is derived and deduced from how Nvidia procudes GPUs

the reason Nvidia has 4GB models on the market, is because yes, the GPU can use around 3GB effectively, but when buying chips, 8x512MB modules is cheaper then fiddling around with smaller sizes or less chips.

There is also the fact that even the 970 struggles in games where the actual GPU load is 3GB (ignoring RAMGATE issues).

Nvidias GPUs are not known to utilize VRAM well, instead they have great compression, so 2GB on a Nvidia card would fit data roughly equal to 2.5 to 3GB on a R9 290 (300 AMD series has better compression).

However, the reason you cannot use 4GB effectively on the 960 is because it has a too narrow bus width. It simply cannot push enough data in an out of hte RAM to make effective use of it.

so with 4GB of VRAM you end up with a "data tank" more then a "waiting room" which is what you want to happen.

Soem games just dump data into VRAM, however if the GPU cannot use that data often enough, the data is basically just sitting there drawing power. Keeping GDDR5 active requires A LOT of power (remember, if RAM has no power going to it, all data is lost).

AMD once stated that in the 290X, 1/5th of the power draw came from powering the GDDR5 and the VRAM controllers...

AMD uses the same memory suppliers as Nvidia, so claiming Nvidias RAM uses less energy then AMDs RAM is just a futile argument.

We do not know if Nvidias TDP is specified by the 2GB version (i dun think Nvidia make/sells 4GB reference versions) or the 4GB version.

If they are not for the 4GB version, then THE FACTORY TDP DOES NOT APPLY!!! Good luck trying to find out which of the two are the one Nvidia bases their TDP on...

The R9 380 has a much beefier GPU, but it is capable of using more VRAM. While drivers do set it back, the GPU horsepower is far higher then the 960. Why is that??

Because AMDs gpus scales more with resolution, but most importantly, THEY HAVE A MUCH WIDER BUS...

in comparison

GTX 960 has a 128bit bus running at 7GB/s

that translates to 128bit/8 x 7000 = 112GB/s

the R9 380 has a 256bit bus running at around 6GB/s

that translates to 256bit/8 x 6000 = 192GB/s

so 80GB/s more stock vs stock...

No matter how you OC the 960, it wont beat a 380...

a crazy great OC for a 960 would be 8500 on the memory...

128bit/8 x 8500 = 136GB/s

you see how this goes?

no matter WHAT you do, the GTX 960 simply cannot push enough data around to use 4GB. It just cannot.

This is the downfall of the 900 series in general. They have too narrow a bus to really shine at higher resolutions AND in games using loads and loads of VRAM...

Some games require a lot of data to be processed at once (bus width) while others require smaller packages being sent back and forth quickly... Nvidia has quick chips, but practically NO bus width.. So when there is a lot of data piling up at once, Nvidia cards have to queue stuff in the VRAM, while AMD GPUs can gobble at larger piles of data more effectively due to a wider bus

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