DX 12 questions

[Giggidy25]

So I am planning on a pc build. And I have almost settled on a xeon 1231 v3... But there is DX 12 to consider. From what I know, amd gpus perform better over nvidia gpus comparing dx11 to 12. But what about cpus? From what I understand it will utilize more cores in applications like gaming. So that brings me back to the amd 8350. It has 8 real cores vs 4 real and 4 virtual. With dx12 will those 8 cores help the performance vs 4 and 4. So with the price of the AMD chip much less, will it be the right choice to go for the AMD chip? Is there not enough information yet? I will definitely have time to wait and see so if there isn't any information now it would be good to know.

[techguru]

So I am planning on a pc build. And I have almost settled on a xeon 1231 v3... But there is DX 12 to consider. From what I know, amd gpus perform better over nvidia gpus comparing dx11 to 12. But what about cpus? From what I understand it will utilize more cores in applications like gaming. So that brings me back to the amd 8350. It has 8 real cores vs 4 real and 4 virtual. With dx12 will those 8 cores help the performance vs 4 and 4. So with the price of the AMD chip much less, will it be the right choice to go for the AMD chip? Is there not enough information yet? I will definitely have time to wait and see so if there isn't any information now it would be good to know.

no..the intel and nvidia build will still be faster

 

good cpu choice to

[KarateHottie93]

no..the intel and nvidia build will still be faster

 

good cpu choice to

Do you even know what GPU he's talking about? AMD GPU's are completely destroying Nvidia in the few benchmarks we have gotten.

[Giggidy25]

Do you even know what GPU he's talking about? AMD GPU's are completely destroying Nvidia in the few benchmarks we have gotten.

I plan on using the r9 390

[Imakuni]

Do you even know what GPU he's talking about? AMD GPU's are completely destroying Nvidia in the few benchmarks we have gotten.

"Completely destroying" is innacurate. "Mildly doing better" is WAY more precise.

[KarateHottie93]

no..the intel and nvidia build will still be faster

 

good cpu choice to

Also it's not exactly 8 real cores. Going off the benchmarks that have came out so far, the 8350 is as unimpressive at gaming as ever...I still love mine though

[Giggidy25]

Also it's not exactly 8 real cores. Going off the benchmarks that have came out so far, the 8350 is as unimpressive at gaming as ever...I still love mine though

What do you mean?

[KarateHottie93]

"Completely destroying" is innacurate. "Mildly doing better" is WAY more precise.

Not exactly. a 390X was competing with a 980 Ti and trading blows.

[techguru]

Do you even know what GPU he's talking about? AMD GPU's are completely destroying Nvidia in the few benchmarks we have gotten.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/DX12-GPU-and-CPU-Performance-Tested-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

not destroying

and also..thats just unoptimized drivers

[KarateHottie93]

What do you mean?

It's 4 modules with 2 cores in each. I mean it's like 8 cores but not really...just depends on how you look at it.

[Giggidy25]

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/DX12-GPU-and-CPU-Performance-Tested-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

not destroying

and also..thats just unoptimized drivers

So how come the intel cpus see a performance increase but not the amd chips?

[KarateHottie93]

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/DX12-GPU-and-CPU-Performance-Tested-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

not destroying

and also..thats just unoptimized drivers

No no..you can't say that. The experts predicted this and the results are more for AMD than expected. The 980 Ti is trading blows with a card almost half it's price. I'll be the first to bash AMD...hell I refuse to accept the 8350 as a true 8 core CPU. The fact that it's wrecking Nvidia in DX12, at least to this point is just reality.

[Giggidy25]

No no..you can't say that. The experts predicted this and the results are more for AMD than expected. The 980 Ti is trading blows with a card almost half it's price. I'll be the first to bash AMD...hell I refuse to accept the 8350 as a true 8 core CPU. The fact that it's wrecking Nvidia in DX12, at least to this point is just reality.

So stick with the intel chip?

[techguru]

So stick with the intel chip?

yes

[KarateHottie93]

So stick with the intel chip?

At this point it looks like an Intel CPU with an AMD GPU will be your best bet. I'd wait for a few more DX12 benchmarks to come out though as the info we have is VERY limited.

[JkB_SlH]

No no..you can't say that. The experts predicted this and the results are more for AMD than expected. The 980 Ti is trading blows with a card almost half it's price. I'll be the first to bash AMD...hell I refuse to accept the 8350 as a true 8 core CPU. The fact that it's wrecking Nvidia in DX12, at least to this point is just reality.

 

It was 390x with a 980 not a Ti

 

And yes, it seems that as for now with the current results , intel along with amd is the right choice.

Again, only as of the current results.

 

Note that compared to DX11 NVIDIA GTX 980 has a slight or no improvement in the latest results while AMD 390x has huge improvement and it only closed the gap and sometimes performed a slightly better than the NVIDIA counterpart.

 

Which can take us to the following conclusion :

 

AMD has the Higher power consumption(low efficiency) and more VRAM while it has the same+- performance with lower price.

NVIDIA has the Lower power consumption(high efficiency) and less VRAM while it has the same+- performance with higher price.(Vram differences are negligible in my opinion for the upcoming 3 yrs)

[DarkSmith2]

As seen in oxide engine, dx12 wont magically benefit greatly from more then 4 Cores. The Software (games) still needs to be optimized for more Cores to benefit from the API. The real world performance even if the game supports more then 4cores is still worse then with a higher IPC/clock.

Also in compute performance there isnt a real performance difference between 6 and 8 Core CPUs with dx12.

We have seen this in futuremarks API overhead benchmark.

The question is, how much performance will dx12 bring when it comes to the other engines like unreal3/4..
But from what we have seen now we can only conclude that more then 4 cores wont benefit greatly and 6cores are softcap.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Not exactly. a 390X was competing with a 980 Ti and trading blows.

wo wo wo son...it's a GTX980...not a GTX980ti...the 980ti is MUCH more powerful and kick some serious ass...also, nvidia havnt really started working on DX12 drivers yet, that's why you see this performance boost for AMD and not so much for nvidia...it's because AMD is so far behind in DX11 drivers this distance is erased under dx12 but as soon as nvidia will kick the machine to second gear and start optimising drivers for it we'll be back at square zero where the GTX980 slap bitch anything but the furyX once again.

[KarateHottie93]

wo wo wo son...it's a GTX980...not a GTX980ti...the 980ti is MUCH more powerful and kick some serious ass...also, nvidia havnt really started working on DX12 drivers yet, that's why you see this performance boost for AMD and not so much for nvidia...it's because AMD is so far behind in DX11 drivers this distance is erased under dx12 but as soon as nvidia will kick the machine to second gear and start optimising drivers for it we'll be back at square zero where the GTX980 slap bitch anything but the furyX once again.

It won't slap the regular Fury. Also what' a goddamn nanasuit?

[Megahurt]

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/DX12-GPU-and-CPU-Performance-Tested-Ashes-Singularity-Benchmark/Results-Avera

not destroying

and also..thats just unoptimized drivers

It's a low level API, drivers won't matter as much, part of it is basically in the game. There are no final version of benchmarks yet, and Nvidia still has time to make some improvements, but I don't expect any drastic change from what we have been seeing.

 

To OP

As for CPUs, seems like intel still has the advantage over amd and on the gpu side, seems like DX12 helped AMD a lot but not Nvidia.

[DarkBlade2117]

wo wo wo son...it's a GTX980...not a GTX980ti...the 980ti is MUCH more powerful and kick some serious ass...also, nvidia havnt really started working on DX12 drivers yet, that's why you see this performance boost for AMD and not so much for nvidia...it's because AMD is so far behind in DX11 drivers this distance is erased under dx12 but as soon as nvidia will kick the machine to second gear and start optimising drivers for it we'll be back at square zero where the GTX980 slap bitch anything but the furyX once again.

I swear I've read somewhere that Nvidia has had access to DX12 for around a year now...

[i_build_nanosuits]

I swear I've read somewhere that Nvidia has had access to DX12 for around a year now...

maybe, but what's the point of optimising for an APi that has EXACTLY ZERO games developped for it so far and probably won't have a single one for another year and maybe even more than that!? they've spend time optimising drivers for DX11 and when the time will come they will work for DX12 optimisation...that's why they said it's not representative results of nvidia's performance in DX12...representative of nvidia DX12 performance PRIOR to any development and optimisations for DX12...yes that is.

[Brandonberg]

So I am planning on a pc build. And I have almost settled on a xeon 1231 v3... But there is DX 12 to consider. From what I know, amd gpus perform better over nvidia gpus comparing dx11 to 12. But what about cpus? From what I understand it will utilize more cores in applications like gaming. So that brings me back to the amd 8350. It has 8 real cores vs 4 real and 4 virtual. With dx12 will those 8 cores help the performance vs 4 and 4. So with the price of the AMD chip much less, will it be the right choice to go for the AMD chip? Is there not enough information yet? I will definitely have time to wait and see so if there isn't any information now it would be good to know.

 

You are always better of going with current generation hardware and since AMDs "flagship" CPU is like a 3 year old design, i would opt for Intel. The 1231v3 is an excellent choice IMO. The only disadvantages with that particular Xeon would be the lack of onboard graphics, something to bare in mind if you ever have GPU issues and want to resort to onboard graphics for troubleshooting.

 

Don't worry about the 4 vs 8 physical cores. You would be struggling to find anything that would benefit from 8 physical cores. A quad core with hyper threading will run anything you want it to.

 

As far as DX12 and GPUs go, pick your brand (Nvidia or AMD) and buy the best card your budget allows for. DX12 is very new and there are basically zero DX12 titles out at the moment (none actually?). People develop this perception that since they have a DX12 GPU and now Windows 10, that somehow all of their games will suddenly run way better. Until every other game release utilized DX12 API, you wont see any major changes. You would probably be looking at upgrading your GPU again before a majority of AAA game titles utilise DX12.