Worth it to Buy 980TI or should I wait for AMD better drivers for Fury?

[don_svetlio]

Custom 980Ti´s smash the FuryX in 1440p.

if you mean the Zotac AMP and such yes, but also carry a price premium. EVGA's one is about 80$ more or so. and the Zotac one runs at 90*c ._.

[Praesi]

if you mean the Zotac AMP and such yes, but also carry a price premium. EVGA's one is about 80$ more or so. and the Zotac one runs at 90*c ._.

90?

[don_svetlio]

90?

It has a waterblock built into it under the heatsink and fans thuse the heat has to go through that first in order to be dissipated and a water cooling loop/AiO would simply cost more.

[Praesi]

It has a waterblock built into it under the heatsink and fans thuse the heat has to go through that first in order to be dissipated and a water cooling loop/AiO would simply cost more.

What Card do you mean exactly? And whats the 90? 90° Heat?

[don_svetlio]

What Card do you mean exactly? And whats the 90? 90° Heat?

yes, 90*C as in temperature. I mean the Zotac 980 Ti AMP extreme or what it was called. Linus did a video on it.

[Praesi]

yes, 90*C as in temperature. I mean the Zotac 980 Ti AMP extreme or what it was called. Linus did a video on it.

Sorry Dude you are wrong.

 

1. There is no waterblock on the amp!extreme. Its 100% AC.

2. Max Temp. i was able to get was 72° with Firestrike

[gilang01]

let's remember that the 980 ti's overclocking capability exceeds the fury X by a massive margin

[don_svetlio]

Sorry Dude you are wrong.

 

1. There is no waterblock on the amp!extreme. Its 100% AC.

2. Max Temp. i was able to get was 72° with Firestrike

Then which is the one I am thinking of? I am sure 1 had a waterblock on it.

[baracken]

How about the evga 980ti hybrid?

Which of that and the fury x would draw the most power?

[Curufinwe_wins]

Well you can take a look at jayztwocents review for my reason for not choosing a fury x. It sucks dick at overclocking.

Literally one of his uber overclocked 980s was beating the fury x in numerous lower resolution benchmark.

Stock to stock at 4k, the stock fury x seems to win more than it loses to the 980ti. Non premium custom designs (think like the msi 980ti gaming) are about neck to neck when at factory clocks, and the 980ti clean sweeps the fury x after overclocking. (Only because the Fiji chip is one of the worst overclockers we have seen in a long time).

[Masada02]

If you're running at 1080p or 1440p with a single card, the 980ti is the clear choice. Now above 1440p or with dual cards the Fury X is going to be the better choice. Also for tight cases or areas where you don't want all the hot air exhausting back into your case you're gonna want the Fury X as well. 

 

In all reality, you shouldn't buy the Fury X; you should buy the regular Fury. But if you want/need the AIO liquid cooler get the Fury X.

 

Also, we all know that the 980ti overclocks better. For me though, I don't care enough to overclock my stuff so I just go off stock clocks.

[Praesi]

Then which is the one I am thinking of? I am sure 1 had a waterblock on it.

Dont know. :unsure:

[Curufinwe_wins]

How about the evga 980ti hybrid?

Which of that and the fury x would draw the most power?

The 980ti hybrid is 100 dollars more and it should draw more power especially after overclocking. Almost all the nonstock 980tis will draw more power than the fury x, but I'm not sure stock to stock which is less energy-efficient.

[don_svetlio]

How about the evga 980ti hybrid?

Which of that and the fury x would draw the most power?

Power draw is not that much higher than a 980TI. Not to be confused with TDP. that is heat.

[Badger906]

Well you're the one who claimed the Fury X did not beat or even match the 980 Ti at 4K in any benchmarks (except for Gaming Evolved titles) - which it actually does. The results vary between reviews because of different selections of games, settings, benchmarking procedures, overall hardware configuration, and so on.

Tom's Hardware goes into more detail in benchmarking than Linus does, or PC Gamer for that matter. Not that their results are invalid, but the more in-depth sites are, if anything, more reliable.

... no you'll find my original comment was about people saying the fury x was best at 4k and I pointed out that it only beat the 980ti in games made in conjunction with amd.. I never said the 980ti beat it in every result..

[Zayzo]

... no you'll find my original comment was about people saying the fury x was best at 4k and I pointed out that it only beat the 980ti in games made in conjunction with amd.. I never said the 980ti beat it in every result..

You'll find that reading skills are lacking on the forums.

[baracken]

If I had the money I would buy the 980ti hybrid. I will actually try and save up money for that and some other stuff for my next build which will be a longterm build so the 980ti may be replaced but then I'm just gonna look at the next similar hybrid

[typographie]

980 Ti. The Fury is not gonna see some super magical increase because of drivers. There will be optimizations, but its not gonna pull ahead of the Ti card. Software can only do so much. Its all about the hardware and the Fiji GPU isn't quite as strong (but close at 4K) as GM200, nor will it ever be.

 

Optimizing a good driver might mean very modest increases, but optimizing a terrible driver can be huge. It wouldn't be unprecedented.

 

The HD 7970 started out much slower than the GTX 680, and through driver optimizations and the "GHz Edition" Nvidia eventually had to give up their efficiency advantage and release the 220 Watt GTX 770 to stay competitive with it.

 

The R9 390/390X, as everyone is so fond of reminding us, are rebranded Hawaii GPUs. Yet the 290 didn't compete very well with the GTX 970, while the 390 does. The 290X didn't compete with the GTX 980, but the 390X does. Either that's driver optimization, or they're not really a rebrands.

[FellTheSky]

Not true. Here's an example:

 

Actually 100% true:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/24/amd_radeon_r9_fury_x_video_card_review/6#.VbjbNPkYFYB

 

 

"The GeForce GTX 980 Ti was also playable at the highest in-game settings but was 42% faster than the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X. We think the difference is so great because the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X is being held back in total performance due to not having enough VRAM for the video card to accelerate the game at its fastest.

 

The VRAM bottleneck is like a cap on performance, keeping the true performance of the GPU from shining through. This game is a shining example of how VRAM capacity bottlenecks can lower performance and power demand. Sorry AMD, 4GB isn't enough in this game at 1440p, what do you think is going to happen at 4K?"

[WolfDeville]

If your monitor is anything less than 4k, then go for the 980ti.

[Sakkura]

Actually 100% true:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/24/amd_radeon_r9_fury_x_video_card_review/6#.VbjbNPkYFYB

 

Actually your link doesn't address my point at all.

[Sakkura]

... no you'll find my original comment was about people saying the fury x was best at 4k and I pointed out that it only beat the 980ti in games made in conjunction with amd.. I never said the 980ti beat it in every result..

 

Your original comment said the 980 Ti beats the Fury X at 4K in every benchmark except for Gaming Evolved titles. Here it is, verbatim:

 

 

in every benchmark bar games made in conjunction with amd as a partner the 980ti beats the fury x at 4k

[Badger906]

Your original comment said the 980 Ti beats the Fury X at 4K in every benchmark except for Gaming Evolved titles. Here it is, verbatim:

yeah... I said that. which doesn't mean the 980ti is better at every result.. as I clearly stated it looses out to the games made in conjunction with amd.. the one that were then 980ti won..

why do you think amd used sleeping dogs as an example.. nobody has played that game in about 4 years.. but it was one of only a few they could show the HBM made a difference at over the 980ti at 4k..

but then again I'd kind of expect amd evolution titles to run best on amd hardware.. shame it doesn't quite on bf series..

[Caeradwyn]

At this performance level, personal preference can actually play a factor, simply because, unless you're looking to run 4K, either card will be fast enough to deliver smooth gameplay at high settings. Personally, I've gone with the plain Fury from Sapphire. Installed it today, and so far, after only a little bit of game testing, it seems really nice. Sure, a highly overclocked 980 can beat it in some benchmarks, but far from all. At a "low" 1200p which my monitor runs, this card is overkill, but I'm imagining going with VR at some point in a not-so-distant future, which will certainly benefit from more power than my screen does. I imagine that with DX12 arriving VERY shortly, and most games in the future using that, and with AMD releasing better drivers soon, the Fury with its HBM memory will most likely prove to be an excellent choice. Overclocking of the HBM memory isn't hardware locked, so with a light overclock on both GPU and HBM, even the Fury is able to trade blows with the 980Ti at sufficiently high resolution and settings. I imagine that DX12 will make the Fury and Fury X look even better than DX11 does.

 

Bottom line is... If you're running a 1080p or 1440p monitor, either a Fury, Fury, GTX980 or GTX980Ti will be more than sufficient for the moment. Go with the one that offers the features you prefer or whichever your heart is drawn to. I prefer to support the underdog, and at the moment AMD is the underdog... They are having to fight both Intel and Nvidia, and they are struggling, but at the same time they are pushing for innovation in a way few other computer companies are doing at the moment (DX12 and Vulkan through Mantle and also HBM), so I chose to put my money with them.

[Sakkura]

yeah... I said that. which doesn't mean the 980ti is better at every result.. as I clearly stated it looses out to the games made in conjunction with amd.. the one that were then 980ti won..

why do you think amd used sleeping dogs as an example.. nobody has played that game in about 4 years.. but it was one of only a few they could show the HBM made a difference at over the 980ti at 4k..

but then again I'd kind of expect amd evolution titles to run best on amd hardware.. shame it doesn't quite on bf series..

 

Well the Fury X beats the 980 Ti in Far Cry 4, which is a Gameworks (Nvidia) title. It even wins at 1440p - and against the Titan X as well as the 980 Ti.