AMDs APU

[anagiotis567]

Are all AMD Graphics Cards Suported From AMDs A10-7850k Apu?

[spartaman64]

it can run with any gpu but it might severely bottleneck some

[anagiotis567]

it can run with any gpu but it might severely bottleneck some

so , which GPUs does it bottleneck?

[thekeemo]

they will all work but only the the R3/R5/R7 (maybe r7) work in crossfire with them

[Johannes_Lazor]

so , which GPUs does it bottleneck?

280x and upwards is where it starts to matter.

[spartaman64]

they will all work but only the the R3/R5/R7 (maybe r7) work in crossfire with them

if you want crossfire only r7 250 and r7 240 works

[thekeemo]

if you want crossfire only r7 250 and r7 240 works

and 230

[ThE_MarD]

Heyyo,

Think about it this way... the AMD APU has the processing power of an AMD FX-4300 or an Intel Pentium G3258. Entry level CPU power tbh. Can't expect much though if you think about it, the AMD APU was built for the entry-level gaming PC market by combining CPU and GPU.

As @Johannes_Lazor said? I wouldn't go too crazy on buying a high end GPU unless you plan on upgrading your motherboard and CPU since that FM2+ socket is only for AMD APUs which will soon be phased out as apparently future APUs will use the same socket as their FX lineup which they should have done from the beginning tbh. So unless you want to upgrade everything? At most I'd also recommend an AMD R9 280X or NVIDIA GTX 960 or GTX 770 if you can find one still.

if you want crossfire only r7 250 and r7 240 works

For the love of all that is GabeN... DON'T CROSSFIRE AMD APU! It's such a waste of money. AMD R7 250 is the only one that half-ass scales decently as the GPU cores in the AMD APU are slightly powerful than even an AMD R7 250 but incompatible with the R7 260.

Just look online for benchmarks, it's not worth it. Heck, even replacing the GPU with an AMD R9 270X is a more reliable upgrade... the scaling between APU and GPU is unreliable.

[Johannes_Lazor]

Heyyo,

Think about it this way... the AMD APU has the processing power of an AMD FX-4300 or an Intel Pentium G3258.

Nope.

Take this benchmark with a grain of salt since it is synthetic.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2133&cmp[]=1814&cmp[]=2267

[Ostwind]

Anything higher than a 280 would be bottlenecked by even the top tier APU. You should only ever consider an APU if you're going to be making use of the iGPU, if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU then you can save yourself some money and get an Athlon 860k(if you're dead set on AMD that is) as it's the same as the 7850k just without an iGPU. As it's stands I wouldn't recommend either of them as you would be better off buying an intel based system.

[Aniallation]

Anything higher than a 280 would be bottlenecked by even the top tier APU. You should only ever consider an APU if you're going to be making use of the iGPU, if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU then you can save yourself some money and get an Athlon 860k(if you're dead set on AMD that is) as it's the same as the 7850k just without an iGPU. As it's stands I wouldn't recommend either of them as you would be better off buying an intel based system.

For the price point especially for AAA games the 860K is definitely a viable option and a better option then the competing G3258. Intel isn't the answer to everything, since not everyone who can afford an 860K can afford to step up to an i3. However yes it is a much better option for the money then an APU when not using the iGPU.

[Ostwind]

For the price point especially for AAA games the 860K is definitely a viable option and a better option then the competing G3258. Intel isn't the answer to everything, since not everyone who can afford an 860K can afford to step up to an i3. However yes it is a much better option for the money then an APU when not using the iGPU.

I wouldn't even suggest a 3258 if you're playing AAA games as it can't handle them properly

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($69.95 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: MSI A68HM-E33 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($39.99 @ Micro Center)

Total: $109.94

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-21 12:38 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($108.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-GAMING 3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($39.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $148.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-06-21 12:36 EDT-0400

 

 

 

For around $40 more you can get a CPU that will perform better off the bat and also have an upgrade path, something that the FM2+ socket lacks entirely. $40 isn't much considering what it does for your system later. Unless you're buying an APU for the express purpose of using the iGPU there's no reason to buy an AMD CPU.

[Guest trucker2]

Jayztwocents has an exelent vid showing the A10 barefoot, with an R7 250 and a GTX 770. Annandtech also has a great article testing the A10 7870 with various cards including a 980 and

twin R9 290's in crossfire and it is 1 fps behind the I5 playing Shadows Of Mordor:) The G3258 actually beat the i5

   Depends on the game, some can live inside the GPU others need CPU horsepower. I like my APU's cause you can game right now with a sub 300 build or sub 200 dollar build with some old junk laying around. and still play every game out there at 1080 or 720. Somewhere above 300 bucks I would say its best to go fx-6300 and dGPU. My daughter loves playing Skyrim on the 7850k I built for her. I asked what resolution she was playing at and she gave me that "console gamer" look, I almost cried:)

[IateMApoo]

Pretty much any GPU will run with that APU, but only few of AMD's GPUs will run in dual graphics mode. Also dont pair it with high end graphics cards like R9 290/GTX 970 cuz 7850K is just an Athlon with added GPU muscle, and Athlons are for budget builds.

[FLUFFYJELLO]

Jayztwocents has an exelent vid showing the A10 barefoot, with an R7 250 and a GTX 770. Annandtech also has a great article testing the A10 7870 with various cards including a 980 and

twin R9 290's in crossfire and it is 1 fps behind the I5 playing Shadows Of Mordor:) The G3258 actually beat the i5

   Depends on the game, some can live inside the GPU others need CPU horsepower. I like my APU's cause you can game right now with a sub 300 build or sub 200 dollar build with some old junk laying around. and still play every game out there at 1080 or 720. Somewhere above 300 bucks I would say its best to go fx-6300 and dGPU. My daughter loves playing Skyrim on the 7850k I built for her. I asked what resolution she was playing at and she gave me that "console gamer" look, I almost cried:)

In the article that you got those benchmarks, in 16 out of 20 games, the i3 beat the 7870, and the Pentium beat the i5 in a single benchmark for a heavily single-threaded game. Context is everything, and your failure to provide it speaks to the lies you keep posting. But please feel free to cherry pick stats from a large list to make the inferior product seem like a good choice, misinform people, and cause them to make falsely-educated decisions on computer components. Meanwhile, the people who do real research and testing will continue to disprove you.

 

@anagiotis567 AMD's APUs have no upgrade path and do not offer strong enough performance to saturate high end video cards. When a game is heavily GPU bound you will see results like what trucker is talking about. But only at high resolutions exceeding 1080p. High end video cards will be severely bottlenecked by the poor IPC the A series offers (along with the other AMD processors that are currently available). If the PC is not going to be running a dedicated card, or only a mid range card, then you're fine. But anything above a 280(x)/GTX 960 will be bottlenecked.

 

Just some things to consider when looking at APUs.

[Guest trucker2]

Pretty much any GPU will run with that APU, but only few of AMD's GPUs will run in dual graphics mode. Also dont pair it with high end graphics cards like R9 290/GTX 970 cuz 7850K is just an Athlon with added GPU muscle, and Athlons are for budget builds.

True. I know the R7 250 will run in duel graphics mode but there close to a 100 bucks and duel graphics never really interested me unless your gonna run the A10 Barefoot in a budget build for some time. The build I am working on now is under $200, uses parts from an emachines 1300 and a IBM PS/2 case. And I have a TON of upgrade paths and options at a price point between an xbox and a roku! If I went with the 7850k instead of the 7870k It would be $160 bucks for a gaming rig. This is where the A10 really shines IMHO. 

The 7870K came with a much nicer CPU cooler then the 7850K: 

7850k in middle and 7870k on right

[Guest trucker2]

One more thing. If you do go with the 7870k make sure the MB supports it I went with the MSI A68hm cause it basically came free with the cpu and instead of a bios upgrade like the gigabyte MB has MSI decided to introduce a V2 version of the MB. For me its no prob cause frankly swapping APU's is easier then returning it and  I am VERY happy with the cooler. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up on this issue

[Necrodead]

In the article that you got those benchmarks, in 16 out of 20 games, the i3 beat the 7870, and the Pentium beat the i5 in a single benchmark for a heavily single-threaded game. Context is everything, and your failure to provide it speaks to the lies you keep posting. But please feel free to cherry pick stats from a large list to make the inferior product seem like a good choice, misinform people, and cause them to make falsely-educated decisions on computer components. Meanwhile, the people who do real research and testing will continue to disprove you.

Yeah, they disproved him all the way to him being right. Damn that guy for stating true facts that don't agree with your opinion! (also this is a forum, everything is out of context and everybody posts their own opinion! You should start a blog) BTW heres the article for anyone interested: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5675c/9

[FLUFFYJELLO]

Yeah, they disproved him all the way to him being right. Damn that guy for stating true facts that don't agree with your opinion! (also this is a forum, everything is out of context and everybody posts their own opinion! You should start a blog) BTW heres the article for anyone interested: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5675c/9

That's not the article he was referencing at all. "Swing and a miss" is what you should title your blog it seems.

[Necrodead]

That's not the article he was referencing at all. "Swing and a miss" is what you should title your blog it seems.

Nicly done going for the 'irrielevant conclusion' argument. Whats next, ad hominem attacks? Wait, you did that to the other guy. /facepalm

good luck getting your 'correct information' listened to when you behave like that.

[FLUFFYJELLO]

Nicly done going for the 'irrielevant conclusion' argument. Whats next, ad hominem attacks? Wait, you did that to the other guy. /facepalm

good luck getting your 'correct information' listened to when you behave like that.

You're referencing the wrong article. I pointed out your mistake, and responded to your backhanded blog comment. Nothing else needs to be said to you because you aren't contributing to the discussion.

And referencing fallacies by their titles to point out the flaws in their argument while not contributing anything to your own is also a fallacy. Please go back to your middle school English class and let the adults have their discussion.

All of your proceeding posts will be ignored; I don't like feeding filthy trolls that need to go back under their bridges.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9307/the-kaveri-refresh-godavari-review-testing-amds-a10-7870k/7

 

^the actual article @ was referencing.

[Prysin]

the 7870k is a solid choice, just remember to get fast RAM. 2400MHz is the best option, but bear in mind that AMD natively only support 2133 (2400MHz still helps), so you may be unlucky and be unable to run only 2133 MHz

 

As for cards, the R9 380 should be your "ceiling" for dedicated GPUs, it is between the R9 285 and R9 280X. So that should be your upper limit.

 

Those who say the 7870k will CPU bottleneck clearly got to read up on the APUs a little bit, yes it is a dead end, upgrade wise, but it is not a dead end performance wise. These APUs are excellent budget choices, but if you plan to use a dedicated GPU the Athlon 860K is a better choice. It is the same CPU as is within the APUs, but you can overclock it a bit more. The 860k is a lower end 7850k. It is the chips that failed to deliver graphic performance and thus were cut down to only the CPU. These chips may be of lower quality and may produce worse results then the 7870k in some scenarios.

[DigitalHermit]

the 7870k is a solid choice, just remember to get fast RAM. 2400MHz is the best option, but bear in mind that AMD natively only support 2133 (2400MHz still helps), so you may be unlucky and be unable to run only 2133 MHz

 

As for cards, the R9 380 should be your "ceiling" for dedicated GPUs, it is between the R9 285 and R9 280X. So that should be your upper limit.

 

Those who say the 7870k will CPU bottleneck clearly got to read up on the APUs a little bit, yes it is a dead end, upgrade wise, but it is not a dead end performance wise. These APUs are excellent budget choices, but if you plan to use a dedicated GPU the Athlon 860K is a better choice. It is the same CPU as is within the APUs, but you can overclock it a bit more. The 860k is a lower end 7850k. It is the chips that failed to deliver graphic performance and thus were cut down to only the CPU. These chips may be of lower quality and may produce worse results then the 7870k in some scenarios.

 

^basically this^

 

and if you're lucky and win the silicon lottery, you might have a beast of a chip that can be given more than a +1GHz overclock (with adequate cooling)...

 

I suggest getting an APU anyway even if you're planning to have a dedicated GPU... having the onboard as a spare should give some peace of mind...

 

The highest GPU I can recommend for an APU would be a 960 or a 270X...

[Prysin]

Not only that, but with directX 12, due to how AMD has banked on HSA, there is the off chance that well optimized games can use the GPU section of the CPU to actually do "CPU" tasks. One such task that has been discussed is powering AI or bots. While the graphic card and CPU only deal with other tasks.

That is a pipe dream but one that is not too unlikely to happen in the future seeing as both intel and AMD has reasonable offerings of onboard graphics that largely see no or little use, thus being an un-utilized resource.