Pin mod, should I do it?

[Dabombinable]

I decided to not use a custom bios to overclock my laptop due to having no recovery method if it gets bricked, so I've decided to use have a look at using the pin mod method (http://www.overclockers.com/overclocking-the-dell-inspiron-6000/). Should I do it? The laptop is an ASUS A3H (fully upgraded) with a Celeron M380 1.6GHz and hits 72 ^oC when under full load on hot days.

[dadasmithywinkle]

I decided to not use a custom bios to overclock my laptop due to having no recovery method if it gets bricked, so I've decided to use the pin mod method (http://www.overclockers.com/overclocking-the-dell-inspiron-6000/). Should I do it? The laptop is an ASUS A3H (fully upgraded) with a Celeron M380 1.6GHz and hits 72 ^oC when under full load on hot days.

It's a Celeron from 2005. Hell, why not? What's the worst that could happen?

[W-L]

I decided to not use a custom bios to overclock my laptop due to having no recovery method if it gets bricked, so I've decided to use the pin mod method (http://www.overclockers.com/overclocking-the-dell-inspiron-6000/). Should I do it? The laptop is an ASUS A3H (fully upgraded) with a Celeron M380 1.6GHz and hits 72 ^oC when under full load on hot days.

 

If your daring then I don't see an issue with the pin overclocking method if your careful, but it will overheat most likely since you are already hitting 72C.

[DildorTheDecent]

If the ASUS laptop will let you do it then i don't see why not.

[sgloux3470]

If you chose not to do the BIOS method for fear of permanent damage, why would you physically modify it?

 

Either it's not a big deal if you brick it and you can do either method or it isn't and you should do neither.

[Dabombinable]

If you chose not to do the BIOS method for fear of permanent damage, why would you physically modify it?

 

Either it's not a big deal if you brick it and you can do either method or it isn't and you should do neither.

Its not a permanent mod, all that I need to do is simply short out 2 pins to get the higher FSB bus speed, I am however worried about how well the rest of the system would handle the OC.

[MoonSpot]

Have to ask.  When was the last time the thermal paste was changed?

If you've got another PC/laptop, then sure.  A learning experience can be worth a lot in the long run despite potential loss.  If it's all you've got and can't afford to lose it, then I'd have to recommend not going there.

[Dabombinable]

Have to ask.  When was the last time the thermal paste was changed?

If you've got another PC/laptop, then sure.  A learning experience can be worth a lot in the long run despite potential loss.  If it's all you've got and can't afford to lose it, then I'd have to recommend not going there.

I put some Z9 thermal paste on it last week, so its pretty much as good as it gets (the CPU having no ihs helps too).

[sgloux3470]

Its not a permanent mod, all that I need to do is simply short out 2 pins to get the higher FSB bus speed, I am however worried about how well the rest of the system would handle the OC.

 

I know, but it could cause permanent damage. 

 

Anyway it's a laptop.  The rule of thumb is there's no thermal headroom and overclocking is generally a bad idea.  I wouldn't do it unless I wasn't too concerned if the whole thing melted.

 

The temperature difference does seem pretty mild though, based on the article.  If you go through and clean out any dust/reapply new thermal compound and stuff it may very well end up better than it is now.

[Django]

Its not a permanent mod, all that I need to do is simply short out 2 pins to get the higher FSB bus speed, I am however worried about how well the rest of the system would handle the OC.

 

Temperature is easy enough to estimate, take room temperature and local heat rise internally in the laptop and maximum temperature. For instance if room temperature is 22C and local temp rise internally is 10C with maximum core temp of 72C then 72-22-10 = 40C rise in core temp. So if no extra voltage is required a 32% increase in clocks will cause a proportional increase in dynamic power and therefore temperature rise to give 40x1.32+22+10=85C. If more voltage required then square it, for instance going from 1.2V to 1.3V = (1.3/1.2)^2=17% therefore 1.32*1.17=1.55 so 40x1.55+22+10=94C. These are just ballpark figures to give some idea, for instance running higher CPU temps is likely to increase local internal temp by a few degrees too.

 

Might need to flash your spd for RAM to lower value if not selectable in BIOS to allow for overclock. Best done using just one of 2 or more SODIMM at a time so one of the originals can be used to boot if the spd mod did not work. Boot with unmodified module and then hot plug the modified module so it can be reprogrammed.

 

Here's an old HW mod example using a HP Compaq laptop with no BIOS settings or even a programmable PLL to allow OC'ing. CPU never had a problem in 5 years use like that.

http://www.overclockzone.com/forums/showthread.php/583730-Overclocking-laptop-Core-2-Duo-P8400-Mobile-CPU?s=ee3347c9b077f5d44f3fd84a129cda76&p=10277414&viewfull=1#post10277414

 

[Dabombinable]

Temperature is easy enough to estimate, take room temperature and local heat rise internally in the laptop and maximum temperature. For instance if room temperature is 22C and local temp rise internally is 10C with maximum core temp of 72C then 72-22-10 = 40C rise in core temp. So if no extra voltage is required a 32% increase in clocks will cause a proportional increase in dynamic power and therefore temperature rise to give 40x1.32+22+10=85C. If more voltage required then square it, for instance going from 1.2V to 1.3V = (1.3/1.2)^2=17% therefore 1.32*1.17=1.55 so 40x1.55+22+10=94C. These are just ballpark figures to give some idea, for instance running higher CPU temps is likely to increase local internal temp by a few degrees too.

 

Might need to flash your spd for RAM to lower value if not selectable in BIOS to allow for overclock. Best done using just one of 2 or more SODIMM at a time so one of the originals can be used to boot if the spd mod did not work. Boot with unmodified module and then hot plug the modified module so it can be reprogrammed.

 

Here's an old HW mod example using a HP Compaq laptop with no BIOS settings or even a programmable PLL to allow OC'ing. CPU never had a problem in 5 years use like that.

http://www.overclockzone.com/forums/showthread.php/583730-Overclocking-laptop-Core-2-Duo-P8400-Mobile-CPU?s=ee3347c9b077f5d44f3fd84a129cda76&p=10277414&viewfull=1#post10277414

Wow, looking at his temps, they were a lot worse than what people have said about overclocked Celeron M (which can at times be recognized as a Pentium M after an overclock, so Intel did the old cache halving trick).

[psyshack]

I decided to not use a custom bios to overclock my laptop due to having no recovery method if it gets bricked, so I've decided to use the pin mod method (http://www.overclockers.com/overclocking-the-dell-inspiron-6000/). Should I do it? The laptop is an ASUS A3H (fully upgraded) with a Celeron M380 1.6GHz and hits 72 ^oC when under full load on hot days.

 

You say right in your post you decided to do the pin mod. Key word decided. And then ask if you should do it. So that means you haven't made your mind up about a damn thing. 

[Dabombinable]

You say right in your post you decided to do the pin mod. Key word decided. And then ask if you should do it. So that means you haven't made your mind up about a damn thing. 

Derp, I poorly worded it, sorry.

[psyshack]

So OC it. The problem is,,,, it won't honestly be much if any faster at all. Enjoy and learn something about the old school ways.

 

Good Luck

[Dabombinable]

So OC it. The problem is,,,, it won't honestly be much if any faster at all. Enjoy and learn something about the old school ways.

 

Good Luck

As long as videos stop going out of sync with the audio I'll be happy (I pause a video, the sound stops but for a few seconds the video keeps going).

[mr_chalk_board]

I have an Asus A3h and I pin modded it and now its showing as 2128 mhz and it runs a little better. As Dabobminable mentioned, the video does keep in sync with the audio. With the pin mod it only reaches 70 - 71 degrees Celsius, but that is with tin foil folded into two between the CPU and the heat sink. So that's a bonus  

[mr_chalk_board]

also its stable like a brand new laptop