Yet another CPU Poll

[TetsuNoKobushi]

Hi guys and girls (because yes, women do exist on the net!)

I seen to be having some CPU issues which are holding my game enjoyment back quite a bit. After what seemed a CPU and Mobo failure, I had to step down to a i5-4430 and z87k due to budget constraints at that time, which don't seem to bad at first, but seeing as I stream for friends and play some CPU intensive games I have a feeling I'm being held back by the 4430. Fortunately I still have a functioning 990FXA lying around from my AMD days.

My other hardware:

MSI GTX 780Ti

G.Skill Ripjaws 8GB RAM @ 1333MHz (Will be upgrading to 16@1866 ASAP)

Corsair 800W Gold PSU

Samsung 840 EVO 120 GB for OS+Select games

Hitachi 3TB @ 7200 RPM

Games I play:

Battlefield 4

Dying Light

Final Fantasy XIV

Planet side 2

Star Citizen

Far Cry 4

Assassins Creed: Unity

Stuff like LoL, Hearthstone, indie games with friends.

Furthermore I'm trying to stay on a budget for now. So if there's only like a slight difference in performance, I'd rather not spend too much right now. I opted for a poll to make it easier for people to cast their vote.

With kind regards,

TnK

[Suffokation]

rip 9590

[SeanBond]

The 9590 shouldn't even be on this list. The 8350 shouldn't really either, 8320 for budget, 4690k for the best experience. 

[Nup]

I do think that Sean Bonds comment sums up the situation best.

But for what you have in the poll, I'd say the 8350

Nice post by the way.

[Vrbas]

If you're on a budget a locked i5 will perform better than any FX CPU.

[TetsuNoKobushi]

rip 9590

I've added it in because it seemed to be the only thing equivalent in price. As well as come with a water cooling set.

The 9590 shouldn't even be on this list. The 8350 shouldn't really either, 8320 for budget, 4690k for the best experience.

9590 is somewhat understandable. However, the 8350 seems to be the best value for money on the AMD side when looking at performance? Unless the game is heavily single core based, it seems the FX 8350 performs just as well as the 4670k? Or am I looking completely wrong here? 4960k is at 270. That's 100 over the 8350. How much performance change are we talking about? Don't forget the z87k motherboard which to me seems absolute crap.

I do think that Sean Bonds comment sums up the situation best.

But for what you have in the poll, I'd say the 8350

Nice post by the way.

Thanks for the nice post. I tried to be consice yet thorough. Despite your choice for the 8350, can you think of any reason why the 4670k would be worth more for the price?

If you're on a budget a locked i5 will perform better than any FX CPU.

my i5-4430 begs to differ unfortunately. My GPU load seems to stick around 65-70% whereas the CPU is at a constant 100%. Unless that's normal in games like BF4 and Dying Light, it seems that my CPU is holding me back greatly.

[D2ultima]

I seen to be having some CPU issues which are holding my game enjoyment back quite a bit. After what seemed a CPU and Mobo failure, I had to step down to a i5-4430 and z87k due to budget constraints at that time, which don't seem to bad at first, but seeing as I stream for friends and play some CPU intensive games I have a feeling I'm being held back by the 4430. Fortunately I still have a functioning 990FXA lying around from my AMD days.

G.Skill Ripjaws 8GB RAM @ 1333MHz (Will be upgrading to 16@1866 ASAP)

 

If you're a streamer, an i7 is the best thing you can get.

2133MHz RAM will help streaming slightly as well. Go for that instead of 1866MHz.

 

If it's real important to you and you can afford it, I'd even suggest a hexacore intel CPU.

 

The i7-4790K on its own at stock will beat any AMD CPU unless you're willing to clock near 6GHz on them as far as OBS is concerned, and you'll also get better game performance due to higher IPC on the intel chips.

 

Also, do disregard anybody who says my advice does not make sense, or that an i5 is fine for streaming, or that you could use shadowplay or quicksync, or any such thing.

[SeanBond]

If you're on a budget a locked i5 will perform better than any FX CPU

That's true, but you are not going to find any i5 for the price of a 8320.

 

I've added it in because it seemed to be the only thing equivalent in price. As well as come with a water cooling set.

9590 is somewhat understandable. However, the 8350 seems to be the best value for money on the AMD side when looking at performance? Unless the game is heavily single core based, it seems the FX 8350 performs just as well as the 4670k? Or am I looking completely wrong here? 4960k is at 270. That's 100 over the 8350. How much performance change are we talking about? Don't forget the z87k motherboard which to me seems absolute crap.

Thanks for the nice post. I tried to be consice yet thorough. Despite your choice for the 8350, can you think of any reason why the 4670k would be worth more for the price?

my i5-4430 begs to differ unfortunately. My GPU load seems to stick around 65-70% whereas the CPU is at a constant 100%. Unless that's normal in games like BF4 and Dying Light, it seems that my CPU is holding me back greatly.

The 8320 will bottleneck more games, that's about the difference. Heavily threaded games will perform more similiarly but still have lower minimum frame rates on the 8320. But at nearly half the price of a 4690k it's hard to recommend if you are on a budget when you can just spend 100 more on a gpu instead of the cpu.

[arnavvr]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($135.00 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock 2 87.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($35.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K4000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Total: $304.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-02 18:36 EST-0500

 

The 8320 is still a capable CPU, now a days if you overclock it. Seeming that you have a very good board for overclocking, You should be able to get 4.4-4.6, minimizing the bottleneck. This leaves you with leftover money for 1866 RAM. 

[sgloux3470]

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($135.00 @ Newegg) 

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock 2 87.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler  ($35.99 @ NCIX US) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($66.98 @ Newegg) 

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K4000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Total: $304.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-02 18:36 EST-0500

 

The 8320 is still a capable CPU, now a days if you overclock it. Seeming that you have a very good board for overclocking, You should be able to get 4.4-4.6, minimizing the bottleneck. This leaves you with leftover money for 1866 RAM. 

 

 

 

I like this suggestion.  

[TetsuNoKobushi]

If you're a streamer, an i7 is the best thing you can get.

2133MHz RAM will help streaming slightly as well. Go for that instead of 1866MHz.

If it's real important to you and you can afford it, I'd even suggest a hexacore intel CPU.

The i7-4790K on its own at stock will beat any AMD CPU unless you're willing to clock near 6GHz on them as far as OBS is concerned, and you'll also get better game performance due to higher IPC on the intel chips.

Also, do disregard anybody who says my advice does not make sense, or that an i5 is fine for streaming, or that you could use shadowplay or quicksync, or any such thing.

Hmm. People on Reddit have suggested to use Shadowplay, but I'm more a fan of OBS and Dxtory for now. Shadowplay did not give me any good results. Currently, however, I am trying to stay on budget and save up for a good X99 build when prices drop a bit for a full upgrade. I'm just looking for a side grade to last me about a year/year and a half.

That's true, but you are not going to find any i5 for the price of a 8320.

The 8320 will bottleneck more games, that's about the difference. Heavily threaded games will perform more similiarly but still have lower minimum frame rates on the 8320. But at nearly half the price of a 4690k it's hard to recommend if you are on a budget when you can just spend 100 more on a gpu instead of the cpu.

Fortunately for me, the 790Ti seems to still pull its weight, even compared to the 980 offerings right now. So I don't need to upgrade that. If I'd overclock the 8320 to 8350 speeds on air (for now) would that be a better option than just buying the 8350 outright? Or is there an immediate benefit to having the 8350 over 8320.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($135.00 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: be quiet! Shadow Rock 2 87.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($35.99 @ NCIX US)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (Purchased For $0.00)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($66.98 @ Newegg)

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)

Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K4000 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $0.00)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)

Total: $304.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-02 18:36 EST-0500

The 8320 is still a capable CPU, now a days if you overclock it. Seeming that you have a very good board for overclocking, You should be able to get 4.4-4.6, minimizing the bottleneck. This leaves you with leftover money for 1866 RAM.

Hmm, I very much appreciate you putting together the list. Even though the PSU is omitted, heh. Is 4.4-4.5 feasible on solely air? Yes, the main reason I consider the AMD route is due to the motherboard which iirc is better than the Z87K budget board I'm using right now for my 4430. I don't see the 4670k reaching full potential on a board like that.

[Clyne]

How much does a Xeon  E3 1245/1245 V3 costs there?

That may be a better choice if you want to stream and game.

[D2ultima]

Hmm. People on Reddit have suggested to use Shadowplay, but I'm more a fan of OBS and Dxtory for now. Shadowplay did not give me any good results. Currently, however, I am trying to stay on budget and save up for a good X99 build when prices drop a bit for a full upgrade. I'm just looking for a side grade to last me about a year/year and a half.

AMD 8-core CPUs require 4.8GHz clockspeed to match my 4800MQ CPU at 3.5GHz in OBS. An i7-4790K being 4.2GHz 4-core turbo at stock would require WELL over 5GHz and closer to 6GHz clockspeed on any equivalent AMD CPU. So there's that.

 

If you want to wait, simply update your BIOS for haswell refresh, and keep the 4790K at stock, and you'll be more than set for streaming at good qualities with good compression. Instead of buying an entire new system. You could also get 2 x 8GB DDR3 2133MHz RAM for it too, should help a little bit more. I'm fairly sure that 2133MHz RAM + a 4790K (or a 4770K if you want to OC it) should be similar in price to an AMD CPU + AMD mobo + RAM.

 

Believe me. Get an i7 to tide you over, then build your X99 later.

[i_build_nanosuits]

OP if you are any serious about your research for a new CPU please take the time to read this post before you do anything else:

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/286142-fx-8350-r9-290-psu-requirements/page-3#entry3892901

[sgloux3470]

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He has the motherboard already, and it includes a significant RAM upgrade.  

[i_build_nanosuits]

He has the motherboard already, and it includes a significant RAM upgrade.

he should sell that motherboard online and put the fonds toward a xeon 1231V3 or i7-4790 to drop into his Z87 board that he has...that way he get much better performance across the board and much lower power consumption...he mentionned looking playing these games:

Battlefield 4

Dying Light

Final Fantasy XIV

Planet side 2

Star Citizen

Far Cry 4

Assassins Creed: Unity

Stuff like LoL, Hearthstone, indie games with friends.

and here are the games that run's like crap at sub 45FPS even with dual GTX 980's in SLI on an heavily overclocked AMD FX dinosaur:

Dying Light

Final Fantasy XIV

Planet side 2

Star Citizen

Far Cry 4

Assassins Creed: Unity

Stuff like LoL, Hearthstone, indie games with friends.

So yeah...he will play BF4 just fine, but that's about it!

[TetsuNoKobushi]

I settled on the 4690k. Thanks for all the debating and helping. Decided to just spend some extra money on the CPU, so I won't run into issues later on as well as keep resale value higher for when I swap to the X99 build. Going for an i7 seemed overkill, and the Xeon has 3 weeks delivery time on it while also being a lot more expensive.

After watching about 4 hours of videos, people aren't running into any CPU issues with the FX-8350, but they are noting that the heat generation and power consumption are really high.

I'll just hope I get lucky with the Silicon Lottery, so that I can push it to 4GHz on air and have that running for a while.

[i_build_nanosuits]

I'll just hope I get lucky with the Silicon Lottery, so that I can push it to 4GHz on air and have that running for a while.

they all can do 4ghz on air...all you need is a 30$ heatsink...if you're unlucky you'll do 4.2GHZ, if you're lucky you can get to 4.5ghz on a 212 EVO.

Great choice BTW.

[TetsuNoKobushi]

they all can do 4ghz on air...all you need is a 30$ heatsink...if you're unlucky you'll do 4.2GHZ, if you're lucky you can get to 4.5ghz on a 212 EVO.

Great choice BTW.

Yeah I'll keep it stock cooled for now and swap to a H100i or something when I want to go above the 4GHz.

[arnavvr]

Hmm. People on Reddit have suggested to use Shadowplay, but I'm more a fan of OBS and Dxtory for now. Shadowplay did not give me any good results. Currently, however, I am trying to stay on budget and save up for a good X99 build when prices drop a bit for a full upgrade. I'm just looking for a side grade to last me about a year/year and a half.

Fortunately for me, the 790Ti seems to still pull its weight, even compared to the 980 offerings right now. So I don't need to upgrade that. If I'd overclock the 8320 to 8350 speeds on air (for now) would that be a better option than just buying the 8350 outright? Or is there an immediate benefit to having the 8350 over 8320.

Hmm, I very much appreciate you putting together the list. Even though the PSU is omitted, heh. Is 4.4-4.5 feasible on solely air? Yes, the main reason I consider the AMD route is due to the motherboard which iirc is better than the Z87K budget board I'm using right now for my 4430. I don't see the 4670k reaching full potential on a board like that.

 

With that cooler yes, becasue AMD chips are known for great overclockablity, if you spring for an AIO, you wiil get 4.7 if you get a good chip. The Z87K, is not that great of a board and the UD5 is an excellent one.

[CostcoSamples]

save your money for next gen intel.  you'll be fine with what you've got for now.