780Ti Is Still A Beast

[Godlygamer23]

Even if 980 beats 780Ti, so what? 780Ti is still a breast. Only 980 is more beastly. 

I'm not arguing that. The 780 Ti is still a very capable card. Although that VRAM is becoming a bit of a problem now.

[BiG StroOnZ]

Actually, looking at the 780 Ti review and 980 review from Anandtech(looking at two separate reviews), the 980 beats the 780 Ti by a wide margin except for in a couple titles. They're both overclocked in the sections I've linked. Now, you can argue that the 980 is clocked higher, but you said that once they're both overclocked, the 780 Ti should still win. That isn't particularly true.

GTX 980 review

GTX 780 Ti review

 

Not really a fair comparison, 980 was boosting all the way up to 1515MHz, 780 Ti was boosting to only 1169MHz. Which is pretty much nothing for most 780 Ti's that can overclock to 1200-1220MHz on average without any modded Bios action.

 

 

 

A more fair comparison:

 

 

[SeanBond]

Actually, looking at the 780 Ti review and 980 review from Anandtech(looking at two separate reviews), the 980 beats the 780 Ti by a wide margin except for in a couple titles. They're both overclocked in the sections I've linked. Now, you can argue that the 980 is clocked higher, but you said that once they're both overclocked, the 780 Ti should still win. That isn't particularly true.

GTX 980 review

GTX 780 Ti review

Taking a review from a year ago isn't really sensible. As the non overclocked 780ti is a lot faster in most games than it was at launch due to driver updates, and yes I know 980 just came out but maxwell has been out for long time with the 750ti and they have their drivers down pat already. As you can see the non overclocked 780ti jumped about 10% faster for metro last light and bioshock infinite. If you take a look at linun's 980 review. It's basically the same exact speed as the 980 except in bioshock. I am sure the 980 will pull away a bit more with more updates (because a 750ti won't have the same drivers obviously.) but there really is not a huge difference yet. 

[SeanBond]

Not really a fair comparison, 980 was boosting all the way up to 1515MHz, 780 Ti was boosting to only 1169MHz. Which is pretty much nothing for most 780 Ti's that can overclock to 1200-1220MHz on average without any modded Bios action.

 

 

A more fair comparison:

 

 

 

Having a 1300mhz 780ti and 1450mhz 980 isn't exactly fair either. That's like an average card against a golden one. The 980 is just a pinch faster but it a difference negligible during anyone's use. It's almost like the difference between a 4770k@4.5 vs a 4790k@4.6hghz

[justin1234]

my 780ti is only boosting to 1166,  but the voltage isnt cranked or anything, just bumped up one notch on the slider.   (direct cu II)    but i paid about 450 for it on sale,  and the performance differnance doesnt matter to me.   980 is clearly the winner for those in the market right now though as the stocks of the 780ti is all but depleted and prices are back up to nearly 600 bucks and 980s are in stock for just over 550.    soooooo    this topic isnt really relavant anymore.   the big boy should be out soon any way.  and hopefully we get a fantastic amd launch as well to keep prices in check

[BiG StroOnZ]

Having a 1300mhz 780ti and 1450mhz 980 isn't exactly fair either. That's like an average card against a golden one. The 980 is just a pinch faster but it a difference negligible during anyone's use.

 

It only took 1300MHz for the 780 Ti to surpass the 980 @ 1450MHz. A 1250MHz 780 Ti is more than obtainable assuming you aren't limited by heat. Meaning a 1250MHz 780 Ti can at least match a 1450MHz 980, a 780 Ti can probably do that at even a bit less. So I would say it's pretty fair comparison since you can have a modded bios installed on your 780 Ti in about 20 minutes to help push you past 1250MHz. Whereas with a 980 even a golden sample is going to top out in the 1550MHz range. There are ones out there that can hit 1600MHz, but that is pretty much what you would actually call golden sample. Whereas hitting at least 1250MHz on a 780 Ti isn't next to impossible with the right cooling. 1200-1220MHz is pretty average for a 780 Ti. 1450MHz range is pretty average for a 980. At both of these frequencies they are on par with each other. 

 

I've seen a lot more 780 Ti's that can hit 1300MHz than I've ever seen a 980 that can hit 1600MHz. So 1300MHz IMO isn't considered golden because it can be achievable by most people through a bios flash. Whereas with a 980 you are pretty much limited by the luck of the draw.

[justin1234]

why not just run 2 r9 290s for a similar price?   clock x cores  is like so, ish   2880x 1200mhz   for the ti  vs  2048x 1500  for the 980...  and the math works out toooo....3456000 for the ti and 3072000 for the 980........  maxwell has some architechture advantages that make it pull out ahead though

[Dabombinable]

I know my 780ti is still a beast!

check out my unigine valley score file:///C:/Users/samuel/Unigine_Valley_Benchmark_1.0_20141122_1319.html

1250mhz oc 

7.6ghz on the ram reference zotac card.

And that's the difference, on my 970 I use it at 1328MHz with a 1479MHz Boost, at these speeds this is were you see the performance of a 970 come close to a 780ti, granted a 780ti is a good card, but the whilst the 900 series has about the same performance, they are more efficient cards, which makes them better for SLI as they don't require as big a power supply, I've yet to see a 780 that can OC off a 500W PSU the way a 970 can.

[Acquire]

What makes the 980 better is its extra GB of vram, especially for sli setups. They both are very powerful gpus, but at 1440p with newer games the extra vram can definitely help.

[KemoKa]

The idiot on youtube I fought with lol

that does not constitute a person intelligent enough to be worth listening to.

the flag raised the second that you typed "Youtube".

[connorpiper]

The 780ti when it came out was still more powerful than a 980.  But it's not about speed with maxwell.

 

Also, funny how SLI 760s get a better score than a 780ti. 

[KemoKa]

Look at what Nvidia did with the memory interface. The 780Ti can still run faster with a 384-bit bus speed not to mention with the Boost my card can achieve the same clocks as the 980 can. Bad bad Nvidia. Maybe if they went with a bigger bus speed and more cuda cores I would buy their GTX X series or something. But they want to cheap out on us then thats up to them.

If you think that the 900 series constitutes Nvidia skimping out on us, then why buy their card? Did you not see the word "Stepping stone"? It's a generation of cards that Nvidia used as optimization material. Seeing how much performance they can squeeze out of existing parameters of the cards with new technology, and I would say that they did a fantastic job. Good, good Nvidia. They made an optimized architecture that kicks ass in overclocking and benchmarks. The fact that they can fit the same performance as a 780Ti in a card with a third shorter memory bus is amazing. Even more amazing is the fact that the 980 edges out in a couple of scenarios, rendering your confusing-at-best attempts to defend the 780Ti's crown even more useless. How many times do I have to say it, it wasn't meant to topple the kingpin. It's an optimized kingpin. It's a 780Ti with a better Energy Star rating. Once this generation of cards passes, they'll apply the same compression technologies and architectural efficiencies to the real successor to the 700 series. Look, no-one is saying that the 780Ti isn't a freaking monster of a card, it's about 3 times as powerful as the beastliest GPU I've ever owned. But it's time as the king of all graphics cards is ending. No-one clung to the 600 series like you are now to the 700 series. Damn son, I mean, Kepler is nearly 3 flipping years old.

Still waiting for those scissors.

[rockmassif]

I think if both work at the same clock speeds, 780Ti should beat 980 in some games and especially on heaven/valley or 3D Mark(if it's not biased towards new architectures somehow).

 

I remember Kingpin making 780Ti work at 1933MHz Core and the 3D Mark score was around 8400.(he didn't have 5960X on that test setup)

Now he has 980 working at 2137MHz(204Mhz huge difference imo), and the score is around 9600.

 

Of course it's safe to assume that 780Ti basically don't have the efficiency to go above 2100 like 980, but then again that's just for pure testing. A decent 780Ti(Kingpin-Matrix) card can get easily 1400-1500 Core like 980 on air.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3155351 5960X@5.1GHz, 16GB 2133MHz Memory, 980@1868,2053 Score: 8391

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/3160094 5960X@5.3GHz, 16GB 2133MHz Memory, 780Ti@1756, 2100 Score: 8733

 

Closes test setups and clock speeds I could find.

[Deli]

Somehow I feel reading this debate is like reading people arguing camera lens A is sharp to the last pixel of the extreme corner at 200% crop. While lens B is "only" sharp to second to last pixel at a photography forum. It hardly makes any real world difference......Even if 980 is bit faster than 780Ti, like 88fps vs 86fps. Will this upset your gaming experience because the 2 fps difference? Eventually, GPU for gamer is only a tool to enjoy PC games, not for e-peen contest.  :lol:

[Poizen22]

And that's the difference, on my 970 I use it at 1328MHz with a 1479MHz Boost, at these speeds this is were you see the performance of a 970 come close to a 780ti, granted a 780ti is a good card, but the whilst the 900 series has about the same performance, they are more efficient cards, which makes them better for SLI as they don't require as big a power supply, I've yet to see a 780 that can OC off a 500W PSU the way a 970 can.

Nice of you to make that claim but id like to see a screenshot to put truth to it.

[rockmassif]

file:///C:/Users/samuel/Unigine_Valley_Benchmark_1.0_20141122_1415.html 

file:///C:/Users/samuel/Unigine_Heaven_Benchmark_4.0_20141122_1410.html

 

A small part of me dies everytime I see this fail.

[Dabombinable]

Somehow I feel reading this debate is like reading people arguing camera lens A is sharp to the last pixel of the extreme corner at 200% crop. While lens B is "only" sharp to second to last pixel at a photography forum. It hardly makes any real world difference......Even if 980 is bit faster than 780Ti, like 88fps vs 86fps. Will this upset your gaming experience because the 2 fps difference? Eventually, GPU for gamer is only a tool to enjoy PC games, not for e-peen contest.  :lol:

I've noticed how often people talk about higher FPS, which is all well and good unless you can achieve the higher frame rates smoothly, personally I just set the nvidia driver to run all games with v-sync, and set my games to run off global settings and I find no problems with playing games at high settings at 1080p. And don't forget its the AVERAGE frame rates that matters most, no point in getting 100fps + if your card can't achieve it consistently.