Need Help Choosing CPU

[IMPERIUS]

Hi!

 

What do you think is a better cpu for gaming?

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd4350frhkbox

https://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox

 

Can you also suggest a cheap motherboard that I can use to overclock the cpu?

 

Thank you

[SeanAngelo]

i'd say the 6300, no idea about the amd motherboard side of overclocking.

[OnekillWalter]

FX-6300.

[ImBleu]

Why not G3258 + H97 board?

[Master_Obvious]

Is there a reason you have preference of an AMD CPU?

[IMPERIUS]

yes there is- more cores, more threads, overclocking, price. but lets not start the amd vs intel war, please.

[Mod3]

The FX-6300 would be great. Also you could take a step up to the FX-8320 for only about $30 more for two more cores, but that probably wont make very much of a difference in gaming. The extra cores would improve performance outside of games, such as boot/desktop/content creation.

[i_build_nanosuits]

yes there is- more cores, more threads, overclocking, price. but lets not start the amd vs intel war, please.

and another one to fall for the ''More corez more gigaghurtz more threads it's has to be better in some way it can't be that bad after all how could a 4ghz cpu be slow as shit in games?!''

i DID IT...let me tell you i deeply regret my love for AMD i had the FX-8320 overclocked btw how many of these threads are you going to start before you pick a god damn chip there has got to be more than 10 threads started by you regarding your damn CPU choice you have to make we all agreed that a core i3 was playing games better and and smoother than ANYTHING amd has to offer including the FX-9590 and backed it with all the benchmarks possible on the internet (USE GOOGLE) what you wan't is a core i7-4790K unlocked with good ipc and many threads but first those are apparently not in your wallet's range from what i understood all you want is to play modern games so you don't even need that...get a locked core i3 or core i5 with the cheapest motherboard that supports it and call it a day...put all the rest of your budget to finish up the build as cheap as possible and put all the remaining on your graphics card.

[coreyjames]

So your saying instead of buying a 4790k get a locked i5 and spend more money on a gpu?

[BrianPena]

and another one to fall for the ''More corez more gigaghurtz more threads it's has to be better in some way it can't be that bad after all how could a 4ghz cpu be slow as shit in games?!''

i DID IT...let me tell you i deeply regret my love for AMD i had the FX-8320 overclocked btw how many of these threads are you going to start before you pick a god damn chip there has got to be more than 10 threads started by you regarding your damn CPU choice you have to make we all agreed that a core i3 was playing games better and and smoother than ANYTHING amd has to offer including the FX-9590 and backed it with all the benchmarks possible on the internet (USE GOOGLE) what you wan't is a core i7-4790K unlocked with good ipc and many threads but first those are apparently not in your wallet's range from what i understood all you want is to play modern games so you don't even need that...get a locked core i3 or core i5 with the cheapest motherboard that supports it and call it a day...put all the rest of your budget to finish up the build as cheap as possible and put all the remaining on your graphics card.

I think his main point was the price, it's obvious intel cpus are better than the amd ones but amd is able to provide a really good price for performance. You missed one little point lol.

[IMPERIUS]

I think his main point was the price, it's obvious intel cpus are better than the amd ones but amd is able to provide a really good price for performance. You missed one little point lol.

Exactly. If I had 50+€ to spend, I would go with an i5. But I don't. So the 6300 is undoubtly a very good cpu for the money.

[i_build_nanosuits]

the 6300 is undoubtly a very good cpu for the money.

...provided you are not building a gaming rig.

[i_build_nanosuits]

So your saying instead of buying a 4790k get a locked i5 and spend more money on a gpu?

unlocked i5 if possible...and top tier gpu if possible (r9 290, gtx 780 or better) and 8gb of ram.

[Faceman]

Exactly. If I had 50+€ to spend, I would go with an i5. But I don't. So the 6300 is undoubtly a very good cpu for the money.

 

I think his main point was the price, it's obvious intel cpus are better than the amd ones but amd is able to provide a really good price for performance. You missed one little point lol.

Except its not.  In order to overclock AMD processors, you need motherboard with 8+2 VRM phase design.  Also, more expensive cooling.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8CHMvK

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8CHMvK/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($99.98 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $204.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 18:22 EST-0500

Is the minimum it will cost to get a worthwhile overclock on the FX6.  Even when overclocked, it still falls well behind an i3.

 

Meanwhile, this is all it takes to get an i3.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NynyWZ

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NynyWZ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($114.97 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($40.00 @ Amazon)

Total: $154.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 18:24 EST-0500

 

Or i5 if you're willing to spend $20 more than the FX6 build.  The i5 will stomp anything AMD has to offer, regardless how high overclocked it is.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TPL4pg

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TPL4pg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($181.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($40.00 @ Amazon)

Total: $221.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 18:25 EST-0500

[BrianPena]

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8CHMvK

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....vK/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($99.98 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($74.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $204.95

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 18:22 EST-0500

Is the minimum it will cost to get a worthwhile overclock on the FX6.  Even when overclocked, it still falls well behind an i3.

 

Lol it literally took me 12 seconds to find a motherboard combo with the FX-6300 that is $150 and even includes case fans. Also who the hell overclocks a cpu on stock, even if it was intel. By the way I don't know whose ***hole you are pulling your benchmarks from but I suggest you take a good look at this http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/AMD+FX-6300/review.

 

 

Meanwhile, this is all it takes to get an i3.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NynyWZ

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....WZ/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($114.97 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($40.00 @ Amazon)

Total: $154.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 18:24 EST-0500

 

Or i5 if you're willing to spend $20 more than the FX6 build.  The i5 will stomp anything AMD has to offer, regardless how high overclocked it is.

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TPL4pg

Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....pg/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($181.98 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H81 Pro BTC ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($40.00 @ Amazon)

Total: $221.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-11 18:25 EST-0500

So you want to talk about how much it requires to overclock an amd processor and then you list a locked intel processor... seems legit. Quit your fanboyism please and just open your eyes.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Lol it literally took me 12 seconds to find a motherboard combo with the FX-6300 that is $150 and even includes case fans. Also who the hell overclocks a cpu on stock, even if it was intel. By the way I don't know whose ***hole you are pulling your benchmarks from but I suggest you take a good look at this http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/AMD+FX-6300/review.

 

So you want to talk about how much it requires to overclock an amd processor and then you list a locked intel processor... seems legit. Quit your fanboyism please and just open your eyes.

theres something you dont understand...even a base level core i3 play most games better than an highly overclocked fx cpu...no need for overclocking with intel, no need for expensive motherboards and aftermarke cpu heatsink or any of that shit...it performs flawlessly out of the box making it much easier do deal with...and as a bonus with intel you wont heat up your entire room and you dont raise your powerbills. faceman is 100% right.

[Faceman]

Lol it literally took me 12 seconds to find a motherboard combo with the FX-6300 that is $150 and even includes case fans. Also who the hell overclocks a cpu on stock, even if it was intel. By the way I don't know whose ***hole you are pulling your benchmarks from but I suggest you take a good look at this http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/AMD+FX-6300/review.

 

So you want to talk about how much it requires to overclock an amd processor and then you list a locked intel processor... seems legit. Quit your fanboyism please and just open your eyes.

Right, and that $150 bundle probably puts you on a motherboard with 4+1 VRM which can barely handle the processor at stock speeds.  What a fantastic purchase you just made!

 

What benchmarks am I using?  How about in-game benchmarks from multiple reputable sources showing the i3 beating an FX8.

 

 

Benchmarks:

http://www.hardcorew...-4340-review/2/

http://www.hardwarep...8-games-tested/

http://www.tomshardw...cpu,3929-7.html

http://www.anandtech...w-vishera-95w/3

http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/14

 

 

"To put it nicely, the FX-8370E is a true middle-of-the-road CPU. Using it only makes sense as long as the graphics card you choose comes from a similar performance segment.

Depending on the game in question, AMD’s new processor has the potential to keep you happy around the AMD Radeon R9 270X/285 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 or 660 Ti level.

A higher- or even high-end graphics card doesn’t make sense, as pairing it with AMD's FX-8370E simply limits the card's potential."

 

"Pop over to the gaming scatter, though, and the picture changes dramatically. There, the FX-8350 is the highest-performance AMD desktop processor to date for gaming, finally toppling the venerable Phenom II X4 980. Yet the FX-8350's gaming performance almost exactly matches that of the Core i3-3225, a $134 Ivy Bridge-based processor. Meanwhile, the Core i5-3470 delivers markedly superior gaming performance for less money than the FX-8350. The FX-8350 isn't exactly bad for video games—its performance was generally acceptable in our tests. But it is relatively weak compared to the competition.

This strange divergence between the two performance pictures isn't just confined to gaming, of course. The FX-8350 is also relatively pokey in image processing applications, in SunSpider, and in the less widely multithreaded portions of our video encoding tests. Many of these scenarios rely on one or several threads, and the FX-8350 suffers compared to recent Intel chips in such cases. Still, the contrast between the FX-8350 and the Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips isn't nearly as acute as it was with the older FX processors. Piledriver's IPC gains and that 4GHz base clock have taken the edge off of our objections.

The other major consideration here is power consumption, and really, the FX-8350 isn't even the same class of product as the Ivy Bridge Core i5 processors on this front. There's a 48W gap between the TDP ratings of the Core i5 parts and the FX-8350, but in our tests, the actual difference at the wall socket between two similarly configured systems under load was over 100W. That gap is large enough to force the potential buyer to think deeply about the class of power supply, case, and CPU cooler he needs for his build. One could definitely get away with less expensive components for a Core i5 system."

 

"The FX-8370E stretches its legs a little in terms of minimum frame rates, particularly in SLI, however it is handily beaten by the i3-4330."

 

If you enjoy games like MMOs(ArcheAge, WoW, Guild Wars2, World of Tanks, Planetside2 etc..) DayZ, ARMA2, ARMA3, Dead Rising 3, Indies, RTS, Emulators, etc.. the FX will be unplayable unless you think 10-15fps is acceptable.

 

Then the other games that are playable, but no where near as fluid as on Intel.  A few examples are: Starcraft, Skyrim, Civilization V.

 

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"Average frametimes did not do AMD’s processors any justice either. As we already said the game was fluid with i7 and i5’s, and somewhat playable with the i3 processor line. When we switched to FX CPUs not only did we have worse framerate but the gameplay was simply put, laggy."

 

 

A locked i5 is all it takes to get superior performance to anything AMD has to offer.  Since he is on a budget, just buy a locked i3 or i5 and play any game without issue.  Unlike the FX which requires overclocking, and spending more.

[coreyjames]

unlocked i5 if possible...and top tier gpu if possible (r9 290, gtx 780 or better) and 8gb of ram.

 

what would you say the best unlocked i5 to go for balancing budget and performance.

 

this is going to be my first build with intentions on upgrading in the future.

[i_build_nanosuits]

what would you say the best unlocked i5 to go for balancing budget and performance.

 

this is going to be my first build with intentions on upgrading in the future.

the core i5-4690K is the best unlocked core i5 and if you can afford such a CPU you won't have to upgrade it in the future (at least not soon) cause it's pretty much as good as it gets for gaming...

to go with it i'd suggest an MSi Z97 PC mate motherboard or other cheap Z97 motherboard, 8GB of RAM (speed won't matter, go cheap) and the best GPU you can afford up to the GTX 970 (i suggest R9 290, GTX 970, GTX 780, R9 280X...R9 280...in this order...) if you have to go lower than that then it's time to re-think your CPU and motherboard budget...i would then suggest an H97 motherboard and a core i5-4460...paired with the highest GPU you can afford in the list...hope this help.

[coreyjames]

the core i5-4690K is the best unlocked core i5 and if you can afford such a CPU you won't have to upgrade it in the future (at least not soon) cause it's pretty much as good as it gets for gaming...

to go with it i'd suggest an MSi Z97 PC mate motherboard or other cheap Z97 motherboard, 8GB of RAM (speed won't matter, go cheap) and the best GPU you can afford up to the GTX 970 (i suggest R9 290, GTX 970, GTX 780, R9 280X...R9 280...in this order...) if you have to go lower than that then it's time to re-think your CPU and motherboard budget...i would then suggest an H97 motherboard and a core i5-4460...paired with the highest GPU you can afford in the list...

core i5-4690k - £170   http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-i5-4690K-Processor-Graphics-LGA-1150/dp/B00KPRWB9G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416518456&sr=8-1&keywords=i5-4690k

 

msi z97 gaming 7 - £130 http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Z97-Gaming-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00K8K992W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416518556&sr=8-2&keywords=msi+z97+gaming+5

 

msi nvidia gtx970 - £290   http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-GTX-970-Graphics-Express/dp/B00NOP536Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416518635&sr=8-2&keywords=gtx970

 

hyperx fury 8gb ddr3 ram 1866ghz- £60  http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-Series-1866MHz-Memory-Module/dp/B00J8E91T0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1416518725&sr=8-2&keywords=8gb+ram

 

 

 

i reside in the UK so the prices would be different in the US

[Demonking]

locked I5 or i3 are better gaming CPU's AMD IPC is just too slow compared to intels 

[evilmeister13]

How about forget everything anyone is telling you, and what any graph says. I personally had an FX-6300, and just recently upgraded to a 5820k. Yes, there was a performance boost. Yes, my computer is faster and cooler. Yes, it obliterates the fx 6300 in general tasks. However, from my experience in the gaming side, there really wasn't that big of a difference. It maybe went up by ~10 frames depending on the game. The one exception i noticed was when playing everquest, which is an mmo. My frames shot through the roof then. However, bf4, shadow of mordor, crysis, and several other titles were perfectly fine. As i said before, maybe a difference of 10 frames, but it all depends on what map/settings your playing. When you bring out the charts it makes the fx6300 seem crappy. But from my own experience, it will be perfectly fine for your budget, and will last you at least 1-2 years before you need to upgrade. By that time, save up enough to get whatever intel is selling.