bottleneck question!

[huracan]

hello,

 

just a small question will a amd fx-8320E will bottleneck a gtx 970's? or a r9-290x's performace ?

[Krzyimprt]

hello,

 

just a small question will a amd fx-8320E will bottleneck a gtx 970's? or a r9-290x's performace ?

No.. But if you're doing a new build buy an intel i5 to begin with.

[huracan]

 

No.. But if you're doing a new build get an intel i5 to begin with.

 

yeah well i discussed about this but i dont want to spend my budget on cpu , i want to mostly spend it on a rather good gpu . so  thats the reason im going with amd ! or will intel 4460 will botherneck any of the above gpus?

[Krzyimprt]

yeah well i discussed about this but i dont want to spend my budget on cpu , i want to mostly spend it on a rather good gpu . so  thats the reason im going with amd !

It's only $40 more, save up a bit, you'll thank me in the long run.

[Speedbird]

If you overclock it to 4GHz or higher, then no.

[Majestic]

Never buy an AMD FX CPU if you're doing a new build. They're old, they work poorly in mainthread-heavy titles and their lower pricing is only appealing on product level. Not system level.

For that FX CPu you need to buy atleast an aftermarket cooler to not turn into a turbine (stockcooler is a mess). You can run the i5 on stockspeeds just fine on the stockcooler, and it will not be louder than your GPU during load.

 

You're grabbing an AMD with an exceptionally poor IPC, the 8320E only runs at 3.2ghz.

 

A i5-4460 + B85 or H97 board will be cheaper than a 8320 + AM3+ board and a aftermarket cooler and will always be faster.

[s3ns3]

well if you buy now get intel. get an i5 4460 + h97 board. it will be a very good cpu for a long time and with h97 you have upgrade path to broadwell in some years

[huracan]

well if you buy now get intel. get an i5 4460 + h97 board. it will be a very good cpu for a long time and with h97 you have upgrade path to broadwell in some years

well can suggest a reasonable motherboard under 60 or 50 CAD? i prefer a m-atx motherboard btw!

[Majestic]

well can suggest a reasonable motherboard under 60 or 50 CAD?

 

A 8320E + AM3+ board + aftermarket cooler would've cost you ~225E. The 4460 is 160E, so that leaves 65E or 92CAD. Don't skimp out on valuable parts so much just to get that 970 (or whatever). Build a balanced system, you'll thank us later.

A MSI B85M Gaming is a nice board, good NIC and onboard audio. No need to purchase things like soundcards.

[KingDaddyDaniel]

A 8320E + AM3+ board + aftermarket cooler would've cost you ~225E. The 4460 is 160E, so that leaves 65E or 92CAD. Don't skimp out on valuable parts so much just to get that 970 (or whatever). Build a balanced system, you'll thank us later.

A MSI B85M Gaming is a nice board, good NIC and onboard audio. No need to purchase things like soundcards.

he wouldn't really need an aftermarket cooler. The stock cooler will handle heat dissipation until heavy load without ramping up to a turbine, in which case the GPU would be much louder anyways

[Majestic]

he wouldn't really need an aftermarket cooler. The stock cooler will handle heat dissipation until heavy load without ramping up to a turbine, in which case the GPU would be much louder anyways

 

It's an AMD FX, not a Intel haswell. If he's planning a 970, definitely the amd stockcooler will be much louder..

 

/watch?v=MH9Oj_g6xYU

/watch?v=i5MVIaUMci4

/watch?v=Wi0zI6gKayY

 

The amount of fact-denial surrounding AMD is getting out of hand. It's fine if you can come up with some argument as to why to purchase it, i'm all ears. But don't deny facts, please.

[s3ns3]

well can suggest a reasonable motherboard under 60 or 50 CAD? i prefer a m-atx motherboard btw!

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h97manniversary

 

similar b85 boards with 4 ram slots are priced the same so that board is a very good choice as its h97 chipset

Edited October 27, 2014 by s3ns3

[i_build_nanosuits]

well can suggest a reasonable motherboard under 60 or 50 CAD? i prefer a m-atx motherboard btw!

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h97me35

this and core i5-4460 or core i5-4590 is much better than AMD FX at gaming and wont bottleneck any high-end GPU...the AMD FX will bottleneck the 970 in many games. Intel is also much more energy efficient.

[huracan]

MSI H97 PC mate and core i5-4460 or core i5-4590 is much better than AMD FX at gaming and wont bottleneck any high-end GPU...the AMD FX will bottleneck the 970 in many games. Intel is also much more energy efficient.

hey man thanks here take a look http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/239951-final-build-suggestions/

[KingDaddyDaniel]

It's an AMD FX, not a Intel haswell. If he's planning a 970, definitely the amd stockcooler will be much louder..

 

/watch?v=MH9Oj_g6xYU

/watch?v=i5MVIaUMci4

/watch?v=Wi0zI6gKayY

 

The amount of fact-denial surrounding AMD is getting out of hand. It's fine if you can come up with some argument as to why to purchase it, i'm all ears. But don't deny facts, please.

I see you have an i5 4670L. Have you ever owned an fx-8320E ? I share a gaming computer space with my m8 who has an fx-8320E overclocked to 4.2Ghz using the stock cooler. The rig was ~2 feet from my face. While idle, the fan noise was extremely mild (as long as the side panel was on). When heavy gaming (blops2 highest settings 1080p) The triple 75mm fans on the Gigabyte windforce 760 are far louder than than the stock cooler.

I'm not denying facts. I'm expressing my first hand experiences with the less expensive option that OP was questioning. Please don't say things are facts based off someone else's judgement

[Clyne]

Never buy an AMD FX CPU if you're doing a new build. They're old, they work poorly in mainthread-heavy titles and their lower pricing is only appealing on product level. Not system level.

For that FX CPu you need to buy atleast an aftermarket cooler to not turn into a turbine (stockcooler is a mess). You can run the i5 on stockspeeds just fine on the stockcooler, and it will not be louder than your GPU during load.

 

You're grabbing an AMD with an exceptionally poor IPC, the 8320E only runs at 3.2ghz.

 

A i5-4460 + B85 or H97 board will be cheaper than a 8320 + AM3+ board and a aftermarket cooler and will always be faster.

No, wait for a new gen of FX Cpu's, AM3+ is dead anyway. AMD is just launching power efficient FX CPUs on the AM3+ socket to increase it's lifespan.

Also i'm using 8320 on the stock cooler, it's perfectly fine for me for gaming and folding. Temps always stay in the 60C range on full load. This is my experience with my 8320, everybody experience may be different though....

[kei7t9]

Overclock the 8320 at 4.4 and use a hyper 212 Evo and you are good. It has a bottleneck but you can play decently with it.

 

Although under normal circumstances, an i5 OC'd can pull  more fps. Even more with an i7 but if its strictly gaming you will be alright with the 8320. But base on what I have experience my brother uses an 8XXX AMD processor. I find the i5 a good all rounder and good to apply for any thing your doing. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Overclock the 8320 at 4.4 and use a hyper 212 Evo and you are good. It has a bottleneck but you can play decently with it.

 

Although under normal circumstances, an i5 OC'd can pull  more fps. Even more with an i7 but if its strictly gaming you will be alright with the 8320. But base on what I have experience my brother uses an 8XXX AMD processor. I find the i5 a good all rounder and good to apply for any thing your doing.

4.6ghz was not enough to feed my gtx780 in many games...i had to upgrade to intel and it broke my heart..

[Faceman]

Yes, it will bottleneck.  Some games not so much, other games, a lot.  It really depends what kind of games you play.  But as a rule of thumb, at any price point, what intel offers is much better than anything AMD has to offer for gaming.

 

http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-core-i3-4340-review/2/

http://www.hardwarepal.com/best-cpu-gaming-9-processors-8-games-tested/4/

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-fx-8370e-cpu,3929-7.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8427/amd-fx-8370e-cpu-review-vishera-95w/3

 

"To put it nicely, the FX-8370E is a true middle-of-the-road CPU. Using it only makes sense as long as the graphics card you choose comes from a similar performance segment.

Depending on the game in question, AMD’s new processor has the potential to keep you happy around the AMD Radeon R9 270X/285 or Nvidia GeForce GTX 760 or 660 Ti level.

A higher- or even high-end graphics card doesn’t make sense, as pairing it with AMD's FX-8370E simply limits the card's potential."

-Tom's

[kei7t9]

4.6ghz was not enough to feed my gtx780 in many games...i had to upgrade to intel and it broke my heart..

Thats why I have an i5 and sold to my brother my old rig that ran using an 8350  lol 

[Ragin Asian]

4.6ghz was not enough to feed my gtx780 in many games...i had to upgrade to intel and it broke my heart..

 

I know that feeling. 

[Majestic]

4.6ghz was not enough to feed my gtx780 in many games...i had to upgrade to intel and it broke my heart..

 

Why would you have an emotional link to a brandname? As much as I despise AMD for their FX products, I hold no love for Intel or hate towards AMD. I just objectively think Intel's products are more competitive and modern (power consumption etc). I would never let this type of subjectivity or emotional appeal sway me to another company/brand.

 

All of these mega-corporations are ultimately bad. They have far too much influence. If they want ultrabooks to be the new standard, they will create the market so that it becomes the new standard. Regardless of what we perhaps want.

For example, i would much rather see small gaming machines (not those retarded brix boxes) with a haswell and maxwell integrated into one board (like a mini-itx board with a i5 and a 980m). But Intel would not find such a thing interesting, so it will probably never happen unless some Random company tries it. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

I would never let this type of subjectivity or emotional appeal sway me to another company/brand.

me neither i was just happy to go with the underdog and i got disapointed, that's all there is to say.

[Majestic]

me neither i was just happy to go with the underdog and i got disapointed, that's all there is to say.

 

Well going with "the underdog" is in itself a rather subjective and emotional decision. I'm not criticising, just merely observing the fact that it is subjective. As are most of the discussions surrounding it. People think they're being objective because they have certain arguments or proof, but more often than not have a subjective/subconcious bias towards either brand A or B and go looking for evidence to support that bias. As opposed to having an open mind and selecting the best product for application X or Y based on non-cherrypicked reviews. Not saying that you do this, and you seem to be correct on this occasion, but having brand bias/loyalty isn't really a great trait.

 

I would really like to see the subjectiveness go, but i think that's ultimately human nature. Some people just instinctively have a more emotional/subjective reasoning than the more beta/engineering/objective type person.

[Trik'Stari]

yeah well i discussed about this but i dont want to spend my budget on cpu , i want to mostly spend it on a rather good gpu . so  thats the reason im going with amd ! or will intel 4460 will botherneck any of the above gpus?

Save the extra $40, it's worth it. Intel's stuff is more expensive yeah, but there's a good reason for it.