overclocking g3258

[blueberrie]

Hello, I'm newbie on this forum who is seeking help.
My rig: 
Asrock z87 pro3
Intel g3258 with stock cooler
2x4gb kingston kit 1600mhz
msi r7 265 oc edition 2gb
Today I got my new pc and started to look into OC thing but my results didnt quite make the same results as everyones stated in internet and the ones i saw in Linus youtube videos. Could i possibly do something wrong my results:
at 1,3V 4gHz, tryed to lower Vcore a bit but it started crashing immediately after opening any game or stress test and for it to be stable i've to set uncore to stock 32. I've found that many chips vary in their results but can i be that unlucky cause i've seen people getting to 4,4gHz with 1,250V on stock coolers? And the most odd thing to me was that even engineer premade setups in bios, EZ OC how they call them, isnt booting even to windows immediately after starting windows logo screen i get BSOD error code 0x124. 

[Cokeman]

Problem is that Z87 board

[blueberrie]

oh but shouldnt their built in settings works anyway ?

[Levent]

it sounds like your CPU is the problem ,you got a bad overclocker.

[dragoon20005]

^^ no Z87 should let you OC too

 

 

OP suggest reset all your clocks and settings

 

start from ground zero and just adjust the multiplier with stock voltage

 

then up the voltage as you go up the multiplier

[runit3]

x124 is voltage, although I wouldn't be expecting an amazing OC on that board. Since it posts I'm assuming the BIOS must have been updated (or it's a newer revision). I would still check to confirm that you're on a BIOS designed for the Devils Canyon/Haswell refresh (they were intended for Z97 boards, but almost all the manufacturers released a compatible BIOS for their Z87 lines).

 

What are your temps like?

[ForsakenLive]

Every CPU is different, you have to fine tune your own voltages and clockspeeds to get it right, you can have a good overclocker CPU that does 4.8GHz at low voltages, or get stucked in 4.0GHz at 1.3 with a chip that won't go further. There is nothing weird with your results.

[blueberrie]

BIOS is updated to 2.90 which is the newest of versions, temps are quite high though on aida64 stress test it goes up to 92C, friend advised to lower RAM frequencies to 1333mhz and set 1,5V voltage to them can that make any difference?

[blueberrie]

Every CPU is different, you have to fine tune your own voltages and clockspeeds to get it right, you can have a good overclocker CPU that does 4.8GHz at low voltages, or get stucked in 4.0GHz at 1.3 with a chip that won't go further. There is nothing weird with your results.

Yea, I guess im just unlucky in that case

[runit3]

BIOS is updated to 2.90 which is the newest of versions, temps are quite high though on aida64 stress test it goes up to 87C, friend advised to lower RAM frequencies to 1333mhz and set 1,5V voltage to them can that make any difference?

Way too high. and yes, the G3258 is only rated for 1333Mhz, should have been there from the start, although some people have reported 1600 stability. When you're OCing always a good idea to load 1333 JDEC, get a stable OC, then try upping your RAM to rated/desired. Also, if you're staying at 1333 you can try tightening down the timings to CL7/CL8 depending on your kit (you'll get better performance vs. an extra 267Mhz anyways).

[blueberrie]

Ok so I'll start from the scratch again what temperatures should i be aiming for during aida64 ? and for how long should i run it each time to stress ?

[runit3]

Ok so I'll start from the scratch again what temperatures should i be aiming for during aida64 ? and for how long should i run it each time to stress ?

Stock voltage stock clock look for ~65C under full load with that stock cooler, may be substantially lower, I haven't boarded my G3258 yet to test and I don't know where stock voltage is.

Really that stock cooler is what will limit your OC (unless you got a really bad chip) I would highly recommend picking up a 212 EVO for cheap or an AIO H2O if you want to go nuts.

I can't speak to temps past that because I've never used a stock cooler :mellow:

I would assume the flow should look something like this:

+.1v Tdelt=5C

+.2v Tdelt=15C

+.3v Tdelt=30C <<<danger zone

+.4v Tdelt=45C <<<SHTF zone, thermal throttling/BSOD shut down

 

You'll hit a point where the linear voltage increment throws out a somewhat exponential looking temperature increase, this is your danger zone. Anything that looks fairly linear will be your butter zone of safety. I wouldn't push 80C under load for more than a few hours (although I've been known to do it before B) ) Just remember that these are synthetic tests and your real day-to-day temps will never reach this unless something has gone fatally wrong with your cooler/TIM -in which case you have bigger problems than a stable OC.

[blueberrie]

Thx for your input runit3 and everyone else i really appreciate it  will now test everything and come back with results

[blueberrie]

From all information gained here this is what i did: reseted bios, found in google that stock voltage for chip is 1,04V and started testing it on aida64 for 5mins once it failed i increased voltage and continues experimenting 1st voltage jump was 0.06v but for rest if it failed i increased it by 0.05V here are my results

 

3,3gHz 1,04v 5min aida64 64c peak

3,4gHz 1,04v BSOD 0x124 after  around 2min 30sec on aida64

3,4gHz 1,10v 5min aida64 69c peak

3,5gHz 1,10v 5min aida64 71c peak

3,6gHz 1,10v BSOD 0x124 after around 1min on aida64

3,6gHz 1,15V 5min aida65 76c peak

3,7gHz 1,15v BSOD 0x124 after around 1min 30 secs on aida64

3,7gHz 1,20v 5min aida64 82c peak

3,8gHz 1,20v 5min aida64 83c peak

3,9gHz 1,20v BSOD 0x124 after around 1min on aida64

3,9gHz 1,25v stopped at 2min mark cause temperatures was getting close to 90c which i didnt feel comfortable with

[runit3]

 

From all information gained here this is what i did: reseted bios, found in google that stock voltage for chip is 1,04V and started testing it on aida64 for 5mins once it failed i increased voltage and continues experimenting 1st voltage jump was 0.06v but for rest if it failed i increased it by 0.05V here are my results

 

3,3gHz 1,04v 5min aida64 64c peak

3,4gHz 1,04v BSOD 0x124 after  around 2min 30sec on aida64

3,4gHz 1,10v 5min aida64 69c peak

3,5gHz 1,10v 5min aida64 71c peak

3,6gHz 1,10v BSOD 0x124 after around 1min on aida64

3,6gHz 1,15V 5min aida65 76c peak

3,7gHz 1,15v BSOD 0x124 after around 1min 30 secs on aida64

3,7gHz 1,20v 5min aida64 82c peak

3,8gHz 1,20v 5min aida64 83c peak

3,9gHz 1,20v BSOD 0x124 after around 1min on aida64

3,9gHz 1,25v stopped at 2min mark cause temperatures was getting close to 90c which i didnt feel comfortable with

 

Those are actually pretty damn decent results for a stock cooler.

If you swapped out a half decent air cooler you would get MUCH better results, and since your ceiling is thermal and not voltage it would be an excellent choice if you want that clock higher.

Here's a graph of what to roughly expect,

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cm_hyper212_evo/4.htm

People usually rec the 212EVO not because it's the coolest, but because it's only ~$30usd and the temperature difference between other coolers that are x3 as much is less than 3-5C on nearly every chip. I'm assuming those tests were only in a single fan configuration but the 212 does come with an extra set of brackets so you can do a push/pull and yank a few more C out of it. The main disadvantage of the 212 is how big it is, you'll have to measure out the height from CPU to side panel and make sure it won't hit anything, but there's also low profile options that are just as good, they just cost a lot more (Noctua).

 

The max voltage most people run Haswell/DC at is ~1.3v, not many go past 1.35v unless their temps are amazing and they feel like testing fate, so you do have a bit more headroom to get over 4.0Ghz if you swapped the cooler. Once you hit your final voltage and clock BSOD you can revert to the previous step and then lower the voltage in .01 increments until you get another BSOD, it's a big PIA and more trouble than most people would argue it's worth, but that's a perfect OC (lowest voltage, maximum clock).

 

Forgot to mention this earlier, but you can also play around with your uncore clock to get a higher core clock. A 1:1 ratio is ideal, but highly OC'd chips rarely can run at that. If you're trying 1:1 in the later steps and you hit a BSOD you can try to downclock the uncore ~2-300Mhz away from the core clock. So the multipliers would look like: CPU mult = x44 Uncore mult = x41. (Uncore is also referred to as cache ratio on some MOBO's)

 

Also, if you have some thermal headroom but not voltage you can decrease the core voltage but increase the voltage offset.

example: Core max = 1.3v, leave the multipliers alone, change core max = 1.25v, increase offset voltages from Auto (should be 0 on auto) to +.025v, then try .05v if that still won't stabilize the clock. This step is probably unnecessary unless you're really trying to dial in an obscene OC. You will also have to adjust the VCCIN to ~1.73-1.8v, don't go over 1.9v (I would argue 1.85v max). Not sure if you're keeping parity between cache/uncore voltage and core voltage, but you can usually run cache/uncore .025-.05v away from core and still come out with a stable OC, the lower you can get cache/uncore voltage the better, although I can't imagine the Northbridge being stressed that much from the g3258.

[bbqsauce]

Check your CPU mount first, you could try with a 212 evo if you really want to push it further.

[blueberrie]

Yea thanks again for input runit3 will actually grab one of those evo 212's soon and get back here with more results  

[runit3]

Check your CPU mount first, you could try with a 212 evo if you really want to push it further.

It's the stock cooler, unless he royally screwed up and forgot to snap on a side (which I doubt) those temps look pretty normal to me :huh:

[runit3]

Yea thanks again for input runit3 will actually grab one of those evo 212's soon and get back here with more results

NP, interested in the results. Have to build my g3258 into a system in the next couple weeks and plan on going with a similar set-up to yours, although it'll be in an ITX board.

[blueberrie]

Wow just found this post http://www.reviewstudio.net/1877-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-review-the-cheapest-overclocking/overclocking, i wish i could run so high with such low voltages but it's probably some advertise thing to draw higher attention from people 

[runit3]

Wow just found this post http://www.reviewstudio.net/1877-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-review-the-cheapest-overclocking/overclocking, i wish i could run so high with such low voltages but it's probably some advertise thing to draw higher attention from people 

Well, they left out a fair amount of relevant information, and the CPU was an engineering sample. No mention of temps until he hit 4.8, which is fairly dubious. No mention of which stress test he was using makes me wonder if he was stressing it at all. Anyone can press the auto OC button and boot into 4.8, but putting AIDA64 on top of it would insta-BSOD it.

 

I'd trust these results more, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KstF_rkzcDm1AVtu5dENEQFfzqoqNrd6Yp7_LrwQkaY/edit#gid=2086722460

From: http://www.overclock.net/t/1500524/intel-pentium-g3258-performance-and-owners-thread <careful the page loads like crap in firefox, not sure why.

[blueberrie]

Ok, got to go to bed now will try experimenting and get back to post when I get my evo 212, see ya till then and cheers

[blueberrie]

Hey, just got my evo 212 and here are my results : 

3,3gHz 1,04V 5min prime95 45c peak

3.4ghz 1,04v 5min prime95 45c peak

3.5ghz 1,10v 5min prime95 48c peak

3.6ghz 1,10v 5min prime95 49c peak

3.7ghz 1,15v 5min prime95 51c peak

3.8ghz 1,20v 5min prime95 55c peak

3.9ghz 1,25v 5min prime95 60c peak

4.0ghz 1,30v 5min prime95 65c peak 

4.1ghz 1.325v 5min prime95 70c peak

 

posted only succesful ones, do you think i should go higher or i shouldnt put any higher voltage in it ?