AMD or Nvidia?

[PeachyFawx]

Haha screw the titans your lesbian!!!!!  

 

Seriously tho that is a waste of money why not just get 2 titan blacks its faster the only reason i can think of getting titan z is if u only have an itx board.

 

Girlfriend has way more money then she knows how to spend and lesbians aren't that sparse

[JAKEBAB]

Girlfriend has way more money then she knows how to spend and lesbians aren't that sparse

Haha they are when your 19 and clearly thats insane what does she do for a living if u dont mind me asking?

[PeachyFawx]

Haha they are when your 19 and clearly thats insane what does she do for a living if u dont mind me asking?

 

IT

[thebennyboy]

Asus is on par with Gigabyte, so I guess the Windforce must be terrible too?

 

The DCUII cooler was literally ripped off the 780Ti and put on the 290x. It doesn't make contact properly with the VRM's causing overheating problems.

[GloriousPain]

what, stop trolling.

they trade blows at different price points and each side has their own offerings.

God tier: Titan Z is the only competitor here and still loses to 295X2

Top tier:t 295X2 Beats the piss out of Titan Black

Flagship: 780Ti but 290X trade blows @higher resolutions(like 2160p) with the 290x being more priced towards a 780

Main Stream: 290 whips the piss out of 770 at similar pricepoints gap only extended @higher resolutions 280x Trades blows w/ 770 at lower cost

Value: 280 wins over the 760 and you can get aftermarket 280s for cheaper than reference 760s which barely beat 270x which are even cheaper

Budget: 270 beats down on 265 which takes pent up anger from that beating and pounds the 750ti 

Mother of god help you if you're buying a graphics card this weak and cheap: 260x and the 750 play patty cake and don't share with the 250 or 740

Intergrated graphics: AMD apus>Intel iGpus and Nvidia loses by default as their only processers inthis category aren't availble for consumer use 

.-. I broke it up based on pricing in several categories but Nvidia does have highly proprietary technologies like Gamestream and Gsync but there are competitors to these (Steam inhome streaming, and FreeSync for example) fanboys sometimes mention noise but AMD cards are usually much cheaper than what their performance equivalent on the green team that you can buy an AFTERMARKET 290 for cheaper than reference 780s for example, heat is another thing but I bring up the coolers again and also the fact AMD has said 105C is safe in short term 95C is entirely safe and unless buying reference (which you shouldn't unless watercooling) you should never hit that 95C mark, Energy consumption? 780ti and 290x for example are within 25w's of eachother which unless constantly running at full load like mining cryptocurrencies would do it'll take ~10-15 years of NORMAL(non mining use) to equal out the cost of say a 290x and 780ti  plus your powersupplies efficiency matters more so get a 80+ Titanium (ax1500i) before thinking your gonna save the world or really be much more efficient if your thinking to yourself  BUT BUT BUT MAXWELL A:You're a fanboy, B:Look at the news AMD is also making next gen cards power efficient using a new architecture called TONGA plus the cards aren't released yet so we don't know powerconsumption yet and can only theorise...So for gaming unless going flagship for 1080p gaming which is ridiculous unless 144Hz or Workstation use that involves CUDA Nvidia loses specially since Most Radeon cards have 10 Bit color accuracy which on Nvidia REQUIRES Quadro labeling 

Now don't take me as a fanboy as I must also say something else... BUY nvidia cards if you want, but I highly recommend AMD at this particular moment in time... and remember the laws of supply and demand and the economic law of competition... BUY amd cards this generation and AMD next gen will probably increase prices and Nvidia will drop prices so unless you have a DAMN GOOD reason buy AMD this gen at this moment and maybe rumors will come true of the 880 costing only $500 ish instead of this BULLSHIT $750 (780ti) or $1,200 (Titan Black) if monitor companies can't sell Gsync monitors b/c noone has an Nvidia card they'll put them on clearence then those that do have Nvidia cards can get their monitors cheaper 

TLDR; Look at PRESENT and think of FUTURE everything else is irrelevant and in the present AMD will lead a better future and an arguable better present.

[PeachyFawx]

well since i dont plan on gaming on 4K/8K (girlfriend splurged on some fancy monitors) im just looking for something that will tank out my machine but not raise the price stupidly high. that being said i plan on going a dual card system that is watercooled but i mostly just want something that will run all games on ultra @ 1080p or 2160p

[P e r s e p h o n e]

When considering the two brands it always comes down to preference, intent, and budget. AMD tends to have hotter and less power efficient cores and thus tend to clock worse due to thermals. This leads to the usual benchmarks that depict AMD equivalent of Nvidia cards to perform slightly worse. However the price to performance ratios don't lie AMD is superior in this respect. Nvidia has a more power efficient core and thus better thermals and can clock a bit better. Nvidia also tends to be quite aggressive in the professional and prosumer scene due to their CUDA acceleration. There's nothing quite like a 780Ti or a Titan Black but it'll cost you and their price disparity is massive.  AMD and Nvidia have different feature sets some are exclusive whereas others have similar variants. Nvidia has shadow play to allow for efficient gameplay recording only recently AMD has released a similar feature but I hear their version is worse than Nvidia's. Nvidia has G-sync which is pretty much perfect V-sync (if you don't know what that is watch Linus' techquickie video), AMD has something called Free-sync but it is unclear as to how it stacks up against Nvidia. To be honest I can't really say much for or against Free-Sync as I've never really taken a close look at it. AMD has better multi monitor support, or at least that's what I've picked up from this forum, with AMD's eyefinity. Now dual GPU set ups are quite different from both as well. Nvidia only lets you SLI with the same exact model but varying manufactures are okay. So GTX 780 from EVGA can SLI with an Asus 780 but not an Nvidia 780Ti. AMD allows for Crossfire of any GPU in the same architecture family. Lastly there's Nvidia's PhysX. PhysX looks fantastic and does some wonder for immersion. Not a lot of games have adopted it but the major ones that have do an exceptional job of doing it. These include Metro Last Light and Borderlands 2. I personally love to develop with PhysX on Unreal Engine 4 and thus I have an Nvidia GPU. I also choose it due to the power efficiency and I'm a power and thermal freak but I also wanted CUDA. Lastly for AMD there's AMD mantle that allows a person to leverage hardware better and increase the performance of their game. Mantle particularly allows better utilization of multicore processors. It hasn't had a lot of games deployed with it but the ones that have, have shown pretty good improvement. Mantle seems to be burgeoning in adoptions as well. Mantle also said that they're going to make it an open standard yet nothing has been made of it. 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. I forgot to mention forget driver quality from each side as they've both traded blows in their quality.

[P e r s e p h o n e]

Now for directly comparing each card. The R9 290x vs the 780 and 780 Ti is quite a debate. The R9 290x is price in between that of the 780 and the 780 Ti and its performance also lies between the two. That said the 290x is superior on the price to performance ratio, the only thing that matters is the actual use you'll have for it. The memory of the 290x is superior for future 4k gaming however it seems the 780Ti in SLI still does a fine job despite having lower memory as demonstrated by Linus' 4k build guide. The 780, at least now it its, about the same in terms of pricing between the two and obviously the 290x crushes it on the performance per dollar ratios. However there are still some 780s that are a bit cheaper but trivial. The 780 only makes sense if you were buying the past where the AMD prices were raped by Bitcoin miners or if you really needed/wanted Nvidia's features which I listed in the above comparison. The 780 Ti is still supplants the 290x but not by much. The Titan Black is the only thing left to consider but with its price I'm gonna presume it's not within your budget. The advantages of the Titan Black is the performance of a 780 Ti plus a monstrous 6GB of VRAM only useful for really high res content creating or 4 way SLI on 4k surround or something crazy like that. The Titan Black also has double precision which is a pro application feature. Keep in mind the AMD cards have better Open CL performance if you need that kind of stuff. On the other levels they both trade blows but since we're talking high end stuff I'll leave it at that because this post will be way too long if we compare everything.

I'm curious what is the objective of your PC anyways are you going to be gaming at high res or maybe doing some professional stuff?

well since i dont plan on gaming on 4K/8K (girlfriend splurged on some fancy monitors) im just looking for something that will tank out my machine but not raise the price stupidly high. that being said i plan on going a dual card system that is watercooled but i mostly just want something that will run all games on ultra @ 1080p or 2160p

If you're doing 1080p you'll be fine for a very long time with a single one of the three cards. 2160p is a totally different story. If you're doing 1080p now and 2160p later you might want to go with one now SLI/Crossfire later or pick up new ones then. Also I hope you read my two long posts, I worked hard on that.

*snip*

I agree on a price to performance standpoint, AMD can't be beat. However that's not the only thing to consider, but it is probably the most important thing. I'm a bit of a thermal and power freak and I really want to develop with PhysX as well as play games with it, now only if AMD had PhysX I'd jump ship.

[Briggsy]

Asus 290/290x cards are non-reference, just fyi if you are going to water cool.

[PeachyFawx]

If you're doing 1080p you'll be fine for a very long time with a single one of the three cards. 2160p is a totally different story. If you're doing 1080p now and 2160p later you might want to go with one now SLI/Crossfire later or pick up new ones then. Also I hope you read my two long posts, I worked hard on that.

holy crap that was a lot to read but the nvidia cards make things look prettier with their physx stuff.  i also saw that the 780ti had more power with average frame rates for the most part being higher.  for the most part it is a gaming rig but there will be lots of AE work and streaming done and hopefully lots of high res art stuff

[PhantomChevron]

Wait wait wait did some say lesbian?

 

Anyways

Price to perf: AMD

Cooler and a bit more perf: Nvidia

[Nurmi]

In my opinion Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X has been strong case the past 4-5 months, and recently it's price tag went down which makes it now a really solid purchase.

 

Have one myself and just ordered few days ago another, and I successfully managed to convert my friend from the green team so that I advised him to buy two of these, as the total cost is around equal to GTX 780 Ti.

[P e r s e p h o n e]

holy crap that was a lot to read but the nvidia cards make things look prettier with their physx stuff.  i also saw that the 780ti had more power with average frame rates for the most part being higher.  for the most part it is a gaming rig but there will be lots of AE work and streaming done and hopefully lots of high res art stuff

Haha, I knew you'd have a reaction like that. Honestly if budget constraints never mattered to someone I'd whole heartedly say it's more fun to do 780Ti or Titan Black SLI on 4k. Also yeah, PhysX is a work of art in my point of view. For your specified reasons and seemingly impeccably large budget it'd be pretty sweet to go for top end 780Ti SLI or even Titan Blacks, although I can't really say Titan Blacks are a good idea. Also I'd judge someone more if they did stupid PC stuff than whether or not if they're a lesbian; just my two cents. 

 

You can skip towards the end for some basic benchmarks, the beginning also contains some rational for Linus' choices. Just a warning though UI scaling for 4k is total crap most of the time, I believe 1440p or 1600p is better.

[PeachyFawx]

Haha, I knew you'd have a reaction like that. Honestly if budget constraints never mattered to someone I'd whole heartedly say it's more fun to do 780Ti or Titan Black SLI on 4k. Also yeah, PhysX is a work of art in my point of view. For your specified reasons and seemingly impeccably large budget it'd be pretty sweet to go for top end 780Ti SLI or even Titan Blacks, although I can't really say Titan Blacks are a good idea. Also I'd judge someone more if they did stupid PC stuff than whether or not if they're a lesbian; just my two cents. 

 

You can skip towards the end for some basic benchmarks, the beginning also contains some rational for Linus' choices. Just a warning though UI scaling for 4k is total crap most of the time, I believe 1440p or 1600p is better.

 

i promised myself i wouldnt buy titans becuasw my girlfriend already has 2 and im not willing to sink to her level of buy all the expensive and top end things so i might just go 780ti in sli

[PeachyFawx]

Wait wait wait did some say lesbian?

 

Anyways

Price to perf: AMD

Cooler and a bit more perf: Nvidia

 

ok, it was funny the first time but seriously. the lesbian thing is getting old and like for gods sake its nothing special! i just like girls, like most of the men here

[P e r s e p h o n e]

i promised myself i wouldnt buy titans becuasw my girlfriend already has 2 and im not willing to sink to her level of buy all the expensive and top end things so i might just go 780ti in sli

Well to be fair she has Titan Z's which is a metric butt ton more in cash. Titan Blacks are far cheaper, at least by comparison, but yeah looking at Australian prices 780Ti FTW.

 

ok, it was funny the first time but seriously. the lesbian thing is getting old and like for gods sake its nothing special! i just like girls, like most of the men here

Sigh, I was hoping this wouldn't become a big thing...

[ColorfulShardMC]

I'm fairly happy with my 780 ti. I've never owned a R9 290 nor a 290X but it was a choice that i had to make because i was going mini itx and i needed a blower style cooler. For you the cooler doesn't make a difference because you said that you could go CFX or SLI. The 780 ti is pretty overpriced compared to 290 / 290X and the 780 but you should really get either a shield portable or a shield tablet, it is really good. That's one of the reasons why i went with nvidia and Physx is pretty awesome. Also this is my 100th post!

[PeachyFawx]

Well to be fair she has Titan Z's which is a metric butt ton more in cash. Titan Blacks are far cheaper, at least by comparison, but yeah looking at Australian prices 780Ti FTW

 

Yeah.  i was originally looking at the 290x but seems im back to nvidia again and while i dont need a budget i kinda want to work to one and since it will be a dual card system i might as well get something nice

[P e r s e p h o n e]

Yeah.  i was originally looking at the 290x but seems im back to nvidia again and while i dont need a budget i kinda want to work to one and since it will be a dual card system i might as well get something nice

Don't suppose you got a design style in mind, I might be able to help with particular parts. Although I might be a bit late to reply right this moment, I've got to be somewhere. 

[PeachyFawx]

blue, black and white.

[I/O]

Wait wait wait did some say lesbian?

 

Anyways

Price to perf: AMD

Cooler and a bit more perf: Nvidia

Bit more performance only apply to nvidias ultra expensive cards. 780 at best is on par with 290

[GloriousPain]

-snip as it doesn't involve me-

I agree on a price to performance standpoint, AMD can't be beat. However that's not the only thing to consider, but it is probably the most important thing. I'm a bit of a thermal and power freak and I really want to develop with PhysX as well as play games with it, now only if AMD had PhysX I'd jump ship.

Did you even read the second half of my wall of text?  I even mentioned Thermal and Power usage as a thing to consider...   I also mentioned exclusive technologies to consider  

and you know you can do that you can run Nvidia cards like cheap ones in the background for doing PhysX(EG have a 290x and a 750 just for PhysX) or do other physics engines on your CPU ... 

[GloriousPain]

Bit more performance only apply to nvidias ultra expensive cards. 780 at best is on par with 290

yeah 780=290... 290x is in aleague of its own (Price:Performance:Raw Performance), then there's 780TI and TitanBlack (which atleast here cost as much as a 295X2) 

[P e r s e p h o n e]

Did you even read the second half of my wall of text?  I even mentioned Thermal and Power usage as a thing to consider...   I also mentioned exclusive technologies to consider  

and you know you can do that you can run Nvidia cards like cheap ones in the background for doing PhysX(EG have a 290x and a 750 just for PhysX) or do other physics engines on your CPU ... 

I read the whole post. I wasn't saying that you didn't mention it, albeit I didn't do a good job of making that clear, I was just reiterating that into my post to say why I personally choose what I did. I know there are a multitudes of engines and I know PhysX can be ran off of the CPU, which is crap, but PhysX is what I liked the most. Although I didn't know you could run Nvidia and AMD cards at the same time on a game. I'm pretty sure even Linus mentioned that you couldn't do both at the same time on his crazy SLI and Crossfire PC build. 

[GloriousPain]

I read the whole post. I wasn't saying that you didn't mention it, albeit I didn't do a good job of making that clear, I was just reiterating that into my post to say why I personally choose what I did. I know there are a multitudes of engines and I know PhysX can be ran off of the CPU, which is crap, but PhysX is what I liked the most. Although I didn't know you could run Nvidia and AMD cards at the same time on a game. I'm pretty sure even Linus mentioned that you couldn't do both at the same time on his crazy SLI and Crossfire PC build. 

You used to be able todo that but I don't know if you still can. and I believe in that video what he had said was you couldn't use SLI and Crossfire at the same time(or rather you couldn't crossfire 290x with 780 kind of thing)