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Hello

I'm not a big guy into knowing how you can manage your computer, but I'm open to learning. I've run into this problem where I want to shrink my SSD (Windows shows 477GB free) by about 103GB, but I can't for some reason because Windows tells me, in short, that I can't shrink to the point where there are some unmovable files. Is there a workaround for that? I prefer not using some programs for it, but if there's no other choice, then I will. I followed this guide already (https://www.resize-c.com/howto/cant-shrink-my-c-drive-with-all-space-free.html), but at the end they say that if that didn't work, then use those programs. I'm currently using Windows 11. 

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Mihkel

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Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

You can try to defrag as that can help, but I like to boot into like and use gparted for this.

No, you never use defrag on an SSD.

SSD's don't have the type of issues that defrag corrects because the method of how the data is stored is completely different from a hdd.

TRIM is the equivalent to defrag for ssd's

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10 minutes ago, probablymichael said:

Hello

I'm not a big guy into knowing how you can manage your computer, but I'm open to learning. I've run into this problem where I want to shrink my SSD (Windows shows 477GB free) by about 103GB, but I can't for some reason because Windows tells me, in short, that I can't shrink to the point where there are some unmovable files. Is there a workaround for that? I prefer not using some programs for it, but if there's no other choice, then I will. I followed this guide already (https://www.resize-c.com/howto/cant-shrink-my-c-drive-with-all-space-free.html), but at the end they say that if that didn't work, then use those programs. I'm currently using Windows 11. 

Thank you.
Mihkel

 

5 minutes ago, ItTakes2ToMango said:

Welcome to the forum!

 

I imagine you are trying to free up space to allocate to a new partition, yes? 

 

 

yeah, why do you want to shrink the volume?

 

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can you post a screenshot of what disk manager shows?

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2 minutes ago, Pusbucket said:

No, you never use defrag on an SSD.

SSD's don't have the type of issues that defrag corrects because the method of how the data is stored is completely different from a hdd.

TRIM is the equivalent to defrag for ssd's

I suggested a defrag as it can move the contents together towards the begging of the partition and help with shrinking of a partition. It doesn't help speed it up, but can help in situations like this. The minimal wear won't matter for a one time thing. If you only want to use included tools it can help.

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7 minutes ago, Pusbucket said:

No, you never use defrag on an SSD.

SSD's don't have the type of issues that defrag corrects because the method of how the data is stored is completely different from a hdd.

TRIM is the equivalent to defrag for ssd's

Well akshually....

optimizing is what you want to do here. 

Typically not something you'd want to do on an SSD, but in this one case it's probably the best solution. 

Running TRIM on the drive will not move the existing physical blocks of data on the drive, so Windows will still encounter the same issue upon trying to shrink. Optimizing, however, actually moves that data to blocks that are closer to the "start" of the drive surface, which SSDs do technically still have.

TRIM is what you typically want for an SSD, but you need to optimize in this case to move the files needed to create a large contiguous partition. 

3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I suggested a defrag as it can move the contents together towards the begging of the partition and help with shrinking of a partition. It doesn't help speed it up, but can help in situations like this. The minimal wear won't matter for a one time thing. If you only want to use included tools it can help.

It's just the optimizing - not defragmenting - that you want.

Windows defragment'/optimize drives doesn't usually do a thorough enough optimization, especially on SSDs. 

I personally recommend the free version of UltraDefrag. It's a tiny program, available in a portable version, and it allows you to run a full optimization on any drive you please

UltraDefrag download | SourceForge.net

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Use a 3rd party tool like Minitool partition manager. Or boot a live linux distro and use gparted. Make sure you backed up anything useful on that partition first in case something fails. 

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9 minutes ago, Pusbucket said:

No, you never use defrag on an SSD.

SSD's don't have the type of issues that defrag corrects because the method of how the data is stored is completely different from a hdd.

TRIM is the equivalent to defrag for ssd's

you dont "regularly" defrag an SSD, but if you want to shrink a partition and there's some stuff at the end of a partition.. that's essentially what you have to do. wether you do it manually or the shrinking tool does it for you.

 

but yeah... it's probably better to boot into something else so you're not dealing with system files having to stay in place, and use a tool that's smart enough to shuffle things around as needed.

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8 minutes ago, Pusbucket said:

 

yeah, why do you want to shrink the volume?

 

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can you post a screenshot of what disk manager shows?

why i need: its boring in my dorm so i thought i would try installing linux mint for the first time since ive thought about doing it for long time anyway but i want to dual boot it. 

Here's the screenshot

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17 minutes ago, probablymichael said:

Hello

I'm not a big guy into knowing how you can manage your computer, but I'm open to learning. I've run into this problem where I want to shrink my SSD (Windows shows 477GB free) by about 103GB, but I can't for some reason because Windows tells me, in short, that I can't shrink to the point where there are some unmovable files. Is there a workaround for that? I prefer not using some programs for it, but if there's no other choice, then I will. I followed this guide already (https://www.resize-c.com/howto/cant-shrink-my-c-drive-with-all-space-free.html), but at the end they say that if that didn't work, then use those programs. I'm currently using Windows 11. 

Thank you.
Mihkel

This message appears every time for every volume when you want shrink it. I's a generic warning.

So did you actually try and get an error or did you stop at the point that message comes up?

How much space did it show as available?

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4 minutes ago, probablymichael said:

why i need: its boring in my dorm so i thought i would try installing linux mint for the first time since ive thought about doing it for long time anyway but i want to dual boot it. 

Here's the screenshot

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see my post above. that comes up every time.

Plus you only have 29154 available and you're trying to use 103000, see the problem.

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6 minutes ago, probablymichael said:

why i need: its boring in my dorm so i thought i would try installing linux mint for the first time since ive thought about doing it for long time anyway but i want to dual boot it. 

Here's the screenshot

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im actually dumb for trying to shrink 103gb but it only shows that i can do 29gb. sorry for any mess 

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5 minutes ago, probablymichael said:

so pretty much i have 477gb free to use but i can actually shrink it to only under 30gb?

I'd boot into linux and use gparted for this. It can move the data so you can shrink it more than the tool built into windows. 

 

That 29GB is the max windows will shrink as it won't move the data around and there is data near the end of the drive. 

 

Make a backup first just in case.

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18 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

I'd boot into linux and use gparted for this. It can move the data so you can shrink it more than the tool built into windows. 

 

That 29GB is the max windows will shrink as it won't move the data around and there is data near the end of the drive. 

 

Make a backup first just in case.

so you say that i should boot straight into linux without shrinking? or use gparted to make room and then boot?

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5 minutes ago, probablymichael said:

so you say that i should boot straight into linux without shrinking? or use gparted to make room and then boot?

Yea boot into a live linux disk, and use gparted to shrink the partition. I'd test windows still works fine before doing the install.

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