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Mark Kaine
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I really think most of them are misleading or outright wrong if not deceiving... OR maybe there's really something wrong with this laptop?  

Been testing a 2024 Asus Zephyrus laptop, AI 9, RTX 4070...

 

It's about 40% slower than my 5800x3D, RTX 3070 desktop... In Superposition benchmark - which I'm specifically using because I know it's suited well for my use case and translate perfectly fine to gaming performance in my experience...

 

Yet, pretty much all benchmark comparisons say the 4070 mobile should only be about 12-14% slower...?? 

 

It's all just marketing imo...

 

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This is a direct framerate comparison,V1 is the mobile 4070, V2 is the desktop 3070 (a 5 year old card by now btw...)

Superposition 1080p extreme preset.

 

No overclocking, nothing, the laptop (w11) has newest drivers (according to "my Asus"), the desktop (W10) mostly 2 year old ones lol.

 

 

 

PS: temps are exactly the same funny enough (both GPUs 76C max)

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Been testing a 2024 Asus Zephyrus laptop, AI 9, RTX 4070...

another gaming laptop another dissapointment, no surprise there

 

seems like its only the igpu laptops that arent a dissapointment performance wise, wouldnt be surprised if the new ryzen maxes beat that poor 4070 mobilr

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The laptop seems to have a not great GPU implementation, so add another 10-15% penalty. Plus, 3070 could beat 4070m by 30% in some cases.

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1 minute ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

another gaming laptop another dissapointment, no surprise there

 

seems like its only the igpu laptops that arent a dissapointment performance wise, wouldnt be surprised if the new ryzen maxes beat that poor 4070 mobilr

... Good idea I'll try with the Radeon 890M ... 🤔

 

I mean I know most (all?) laptops perform miserably but then why everything I see says there should be a ~14% difference...?  It would be better they say %30 then people wouldn't be as disappointed.

 

That said most consumers seem to be happy with their "Mac like" Asus laptop... ¯⁠\⁠(⁠◉⁠‿⁠◉⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

Gotta say the screen is *really* good...!  (Btw I'm using a huge laptop cooler, the results would probably be far worse without it...)

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Just now, Timme said:

The laptop seems to have a not great GPU implementation, so add another 10-15% penalty. Plus, 3070 could beat 4070m by 30% in some cases.

Ya, you see... Now check "reviews" ... Most say 12-14%....  Sure if you specifically handpick everything and probably cheat a bit here and there?! ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Ya, you see... Now check "reviews" ... Most say 12-14%....  Sure if you specifically handpick everything and probably cheat a bit here and there?! ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

"Asus' ROG Zephyrus G16 gaming rig is a beautifully built, quick performer, but its Nvidia RTX 4070 GPU is limited in this super-thin chassis."

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Just now, Mark Kaine said:

... Good idea I'll try with the Radeon 890M ... 🤔

 

I mean I know most (all?) laptops perform miserably but then why everything I see says there should be a ~14% difference...?  It would be better they say %30 then people wouldn't be as disappointed.

 

That said most consumers seem to be happy with their "Mac like" Asus laptop... ¯⁠\⁠(⁠◉⁠‿⁠◉⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

Gotta say the screen is *really* good...!  (Btw I'm using a huge laptop cooler, the results would probably be far worse without it...)

well that doesnt bode well for when theres no laptop cooler and its already a dissapointment with a laptop cooler

 

yeah i think my hate for gaming laptops is pretty well justified

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8 minutes ago, Timme said:

"Asus' ROG Zephyrus G16 gaming rig is a beautifully built, quick performer, but its Nvidia RTX 4070 GPU is limited in this super-thin chassis."

One thing I noticed, it's not a "quick performer" either... Everything feels sluggish, opening programs, etc, exactly the same as it did in the W11 "beta" like 3 years ago (I see UI improvements, but not performance, still sluggish compared to W10)

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19 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

One thing I noticed, it's not a "quick performer" either... Everything feels sluggish, opening programs, etc, exactly the same as it did in the W11 "【27,94 cm】beta" like 3 years ago (I see UI improvements, but not performance, still sluggish compared to W10)

No bloatware running in the background? 32GB?

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1 hour ago, Timme said:

No bloatware running in the background? 32GB?

Oh yes - I'm doing this DDTS style, no software removed etc, there's McAfee, armory crate... my Asus... 

 

But I checked none seems to use many recourses at all.

 

And yeah, 32GB. 🙂

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Oh yes - I'm doing this DDTS style, no software removed etc, there's McAfee, armory crate... my Asus... 

 

But I checked none seems to use many recourses at all.

 

And yeah, 32GB. 🙂

 

 

I would actually advise you to contact the Asus tech support for laptops. If they are anything like Dell, the tech can guide you through basic hardware check up an troubleshooting.

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29 minutes ago, Timme said:

I would actually advise you to contact the Asus tech support for laptops. If they are anything like Dell, the tech can guide you through basic laptop check up an troubleshooting.

Nah, it's fine I already bought another one (ROG Strix G17) as soon i Iearned that the AI chips don't run on windows 10...  I wanted a Strix initially, but there weren't any, now this one was a good price (for EU) has a higher max power draw, better ventilation from the looks of it, 16:9 aspect ratio, it's a Ryzen 9 7940HX, so also AMD, it's gonna be fun to compare the two... And I'll probably keep the Strix, I know performance ain't great on mobile GPUs but I'll be traveling a lot and I kinda need a laptop, it's gonna be a huge upgrade from my current i5, 940mx Lenovo either way! 😂

 

 

PS: idk if the Zephyrus is underperforming, it's slightly worse than I expected, but it's windows 11, aka I have to put a bit of blame on the user here 🤣 it's never gonna be "fast" probably... 😭

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Nah, it's fine I already bought another one (ROG Strix G17) as soon i Iearned that the AI chips don't run on windows 10...  I wanted a Strix initially, but there weren't any, now this one was a good price (for EU) has a higher max power draw, better ventilation from the looks of it, 16:9 aspect ratio, it's a Ryzen 9 7940HX, so also AMD, it's gonna be fun to compare the two... And I'll probably keep the Strix, I know performance ain't great on mobile GPUs but I'll be traveling a lot and I kinda need a laptop, it's gonna be a huge upgrade from my current i5, 940mx Lenovo either way! 😂

 

 

PS: idk if the Zephyrus is underperforming, it's slightly worse than I expected, but it's windows 11, aka I have to put a bit of blame on the user here 🤣 it's never gonna be "fast"... 😭

No, I mean like to run actual hardware testing on your laptop. Because this machine is supposed to run Win11 without any hiccups whatsoever.  

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38 minutes ago, Timme said:

No, I mean like to run actual hardware testing on your laptop. Because this machine is supposed to run Win11 without any hiccups whatsoever.  

Yeah, I know... tbf, maybe it needs an update (BIOS also?) I just wanted to see how it runs out of the box, updated drivers through armory crate tho... But idk really, it feels like win 11 did on my (not supported) 2017 Lenovo laptop when I tried it years ago...

 

Superposition also crashed once, "couldn't create 'random' resolution" (it wasn't the laptops resolution it tried to create, something weird like 840p, no idea what that was .. hasnt crashed since though)

 

Ngl it's a nice laptop, but not for me, I really didn't see it doesn't have proper vents, I didn't see it's win 11 only, etc... But still, it's nice and probably can run a lot of stuff at medium settings.

 

PS: I tried the iGPU, didn't work, "not enough memory"... Not gonna bother changing this now, I'm about to set up the Strix! 😉

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So this is interesting... the Strix seems a lot faster...

 

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LM cooling I guess? (and I set it to windows balanced instead Asus "performance" mode)

 

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23 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

So this is interesting... the Strix seems a lot faster...

 

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LM cooling I guess? (and I set it to windows balanced instead Asus "performance" mode)

 

@Timme

Prioritizing cooling is a great idea.

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The mobile 4070 is not the same as the desktop 4070. Its at least one tier weaker than the desktop counterpart

 

Also, laptops with the same CPU/GPU can have vastly different performance. You will know this if you frequently watch the YouTube channel "Just Josh"

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7 minutes ago, Salted Spinach said:

The mobile 4070 is not the same as the desktop 4070. Its at least one tier weaker than the desktop counterpart

 

Also, laptops with the same CPU/GPU can have vastly different performance. You will know this if you frequently watch the YouTube channel "Just Josh"

Yeah keep in mind the laptop in the OP is a Zephyrus, then I got a Strix and it's much better, same GPU and weaker CPU on paper (I think), whooping 1000 points more than the Zephyrus in Superposition... almost on par with the desktop 3070. So yeah, it's not just the GPU, it's the whole package - the Strix has huge vents everywhere, the Zephyrus is "Mac like" which apparently means "no cooling" 😅 the Strix has liquid metal thermal solution, much higher power limits, etc...  

 

 

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Check the GPU max power/TGP with GPU-Z.

 

What I "love" about Nvidia mobile GPU is that manufacturer rarely advertise the GPU TGP. 
You could have a 4070 laptop with 50w max TGP or even worse, 35w. 

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50 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Check the GPU max power/TGP with GPU-Z.

 

What I "love" about Nvidia mobile GPU is that manufacturer rarely advertise the GPU TGP. 
You could have a 4070 laptop with 50w max TGP or even worse, 35w. 

I'm pretty sure the Zephyrus has 115w , the Strix has 140w...

 

 

But, it's probably more cooling that's the deciding factor.

 

I have no idea if the cpus are all that different but typically CPU ain't that important, 21(?) cores vs 32(?)...? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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On 2/28/2025 at 10:11 PM, Timme said:

Prioritizing cooling is a great idea.

I found a great thread... I think this applies to the entire Strix series too...

 

 

 

I didn't think laptopping is so involved lol... 

 

The only concerning thing is that apparently both(?) GPU and CPU use liquid metal... there can be issues with that.

 

 

10 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

Check the GPU max power/TGP with GPU-Z.

 

 

Oh and yeah, you have to turn on optimus manually apparently... For now I just turned off the iGPU, gonna try that next. Although I'm quite happy I have now Gsync enabled globally now, so far it feels really smooth!

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