Struggle with overclocking

[KebabMan]

So I have an old pc to today standards and I play cs2 often but it keeps laggin, I've tried to pbo my cpu its kinda better but i wanted to raise the frequency of my ram to 3200 maybe even to 3600, the problem is on the 3200mhz ( ive tried setting the timings manualy to the standard they have on their site)clock kinda works until it gets under load and it keeps giving me bsod's(i have similar problems overclocking everything on my pc including gpu) if i raise the frequency a bit it becomes unstable, Any idea what's the problem?

[Hinjima]

6 minutes ago, KebabMan said:

So I have an old pc to today standards and I play cs2 often but it keeps laggin, I've tried to pbo my cpu its kinda better but i wanted to raise the frequency of my ram to 3200 maybe even to 3600, the problem is on the 3200mhz ( ive tried setting the timings manualy to the standard they have on their site)clock kinda works until it gets under load and it keeps giving me bsod's(i have similar problems overclocking everything on my pc including gpu) if i raise the frequency a bit it becomes unstable, Any idea what's the problem?

The problem is that the overclock is unstable at higher frequencies. It is what it is.

You can try to increase voltage on the CPU to overclock it but don't push it too far! Same with the RAM.

Maybe you lost the silicon lottery and got parts that don't overclock well at all.

 

What GPU do you have? Most if not all GPU's can handle a little bit of overclocking.

 

[KebabMan]

6 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

The problem is that the overclock is unstable at higher frequencies. It is what it is.

You can try to increase voltage on the CPU to overclock it but don't push it too far! Same with the RAM.

Maybe you lost the silicon lottery and got parts that don't overclock well at all.

 

What GPU do you have? Most if not all GPU's can handle a little bit of overclocking.

 

idk to be that unlucky to lose both in ram and cpu like especialy on the cpu(r5 3600) im not doing more than max clock that is 4.2 and voltage is already high as it's a ryzen(keeps crashing) as for the gpu its a rx590 from saphire(becomes unstable after 100 more mhz), I'm really tired of trying to do stuff with my pc and it dosen't work.

[Hinjima]

6 minutes ago, KebabMan said:

idk to be that unlucky to lose both in ram and cpu like especialy on the cpu(r5 3600) im not doing more than max clock that is 4.2 and voltage is already high as it's a ryzen(keeps crashing) as for the gpu its a rx590 from saphire(becomes unstable after 100 more mhz), I'm really tired of trying to do stuff with my pc and it dosen't work.

If it keeps crashing then you either need to bump the voltage even more or thats the max your CPU can do.

Remember that the 4.2Ghz boost clock is for a one or two cores only so getting that on all cores might not be possible for your CPU.

What voltages are you running?

 

In terms of the RX590, most overclocks I see on youtube are only in the +60 to +80 Mhz on the core and a bit more on the memory.

The RX590 is just a refresh of the RX580 on steroids so its already pushed close to its limits.

Seeing it unstable at more than 100Mhz doesn't surprise me at all.

 

I dont really know what you want us to do? We can't magically make your components just overclock more than they are capable of.

[Timme]

Try bumping up the voltage on the RAM by a bit. 

[KebabMan]

2 minutes ago, Hinjima said:

If it keeps crashing then you either need to bump the voltage even more or thats the max your CPU can do.

Remember that the 4.2Ghz boost clock is for a one or two cores only so getting that on all cores might not be possible for your CPU.

What voltages are you running?

 

In terms of the RX590, most overclocks I see on youtube are only in the +60 to +80 Mhz on the core and a bit more on the memory.

The RX590 is just a refresh of the RX580 on steroids so its already pushed close to its limits.

Seeing it unstable at more than 100Mhz doesn't surprise me at all.

 

I dont really know what you want us to do? We can't magically make your components just overclock more than they are capable of.

I mean I am already running 1.45 with base voltage the ryzen could go lower than that but it still crashes even on stock speeds, it should hit 4.2 without me touching any setting but it isn't its getting , in terms of the rx590 I've given up on that long time ago since I had problems with drivers and I'm sorry if I sounded a bit pushy but i'm saving for college so i don t really afford a new pc rn thx tho

[KebabMan]

4 minutes ago, Timme said:

Try bumping up the voltage on the RAM by a bit. 

bumped it up to 1.45 safest i was going to go up to

[KebabMan]

Just now, KebabMan said:

I mean I am already running 1.45 with base voltage the ryzen could go lower than that but it still crashes even on stock speeds, it should hit 4.2 without me touching any setting but it isn't its getting , in terms of the rx590 I've given up on that long time ago since I had problems with drivers and I'm sorry if I sounded a bit pushy but i'm saving for college so i don t really afford a new pc rn thx tho(I was generaly hoping someone with a similar problem would pop out and a fix to it)

 

[Timme]

Try changing the Global C-State Control option. Some people say that this and disabling PBO fixed the issue for them.

[KebabMan]

Just now, Timme said:

Try changing the Global C-State Control option. Some people say that this and disabling PBO fixed the issue for them.

I will try, the bios on the gigabyte b450 is a bit weird

[KebabMan]

5 minutes ago, Timme said:

Try changing the Global C-State Control option. Some people say that this and disabling PBO fixed the issue for them.

i really do want to overclock the ram too ive seen a radical boost in fps but its not stable

[KebabMan]

13 minutes ago, Timme said:

Try changing the Global C-State Control option. Some people say that this and disabling PBO fixed the issue for them.

turned off c state and pbo set the cpu to 4.2(tried per ccx and all cores) with voltage offset of +0.204 and i couldn t even boot

 

[Timme]

31 minutes ago, KebabMan said:

turned off c state and pbo set the cpu to 4.2(tried per ccx and all cores) with voltage offset of +0.204 and i couldn t even boot

 

Found this:Remove all manual overclocks and set the CPU voltage to automatic in the bios. Turn on PBO, and set it to motherboard limits. I would recommend disabling LLC too unless your system is unstable without it.Rebooting to windows, you can now test for the max voltage. You'll need Prime95 and HWinfo64. Launch HWinfo, select sensors only and scroll to find CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN). This is the voltage you're going to watch out for. Run prime95 on all 12 threads in Small FFTs mode (this one is the most intensive and effectively represents the most load your CPU will ever face). Run this for a few minutes, or until the SVI2 TFN settles to a constant value. If your PC thermally throttles, you might not get an accurate reading so in that case either crank the fan curve, or use the most constant voltage you have before you hit a thermal limit.This voltage is basically the hard-coded safe operation limit. If you use this fixed voltage and then max out your overclock, you shouldn't see any more degradation than stock (if your cooling is adequate ofc).With this method, my 3600 settles to 1.275V but sits around 4.0GHz just with PBO. Manually overclocking at that voltage gets me a stable 4.2GHz all-core.

[KebabMan]

Just now, Timme said:

Found this:Remove all manual overclocks and set the CPU voltage to automatic in the bios. Turn on PBO, and set it to motherboard limits. I would recommend disabling LLC too unless your system is unstable without it.Rebooting to windows, you can now test for the max voltage. You'll need Prime95 and HWinfo64. Launch HWinfo, select sensors only and scroll to find CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN). This is the voltage you're going to watch out for. Run prime95 on all 12 threads in Small FFTs mode (this one is the most intensive and effectively represents the most load your CPU will ever face). Run this for a few minutes, or until the SVI2 TFN settles to a constant value. If your PC thermally throttles, you might not get an accurate reading so in that case either crank the fan curve, or use the most constant voltage you have before you hit a thermal limit.This voltage is basically the hard-coded safe operation limit. If you use this fixed voltage and then max out your overclock, you shouldn't see any more degradation than stock (if your cooling is adequate ofc).With this method, my 3600 settles to 1.275V but sits around 4.0GHz just with PBO. Manually overclocking at that voltage gets me a stable 4.2GHz all-core.

this is in the middle of the test it hit a 3.85 constant tho with same voltage as the guy

[Timme]

1 minute ago, KebabMan said:

this is in the middle of the test it hit a 3.85 constant tho with same voltage as the guy

That 1.469V on CPU VDD though...

[KebabMan]

Just now, Timme said:

That 1.469V on CPU VDD though...

Ik it does love to go that high which is odd the bad part is i can t undervolt cause it goes unstable

[Timme]

Does it run 4.1Mhz@1.32v?

[KebabMan]

Just now, Timme said:

Does it run 4.1Mhz@1.32v?

i don t think so ,this cpu is really weird

[Timme]

1 minute ago, KebabMan said:

i don t think so ,this cpu is really weird

Try, if it doesn't then you won't be able to push it even further.

[KebabMan]

Just now, Timme said:

Try, if it doesn't then you won't be able to push it even further.

nah it just dosen t want to boot if a change any settings regarding the freq

idk im calling it a night thx for the help

[Timme]

2 hours ago, KebabMan said:

I play cs2 often but it keeps laggin

What's your GPU and at what settings do you play?

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Resell that 3600 and buy a used 5600 or prefferably a 5700x3d off aliexpress as theyre like 140$ iirc and a massive upgrade since cs2 does actually scale from cache unlike csgo

[Mark Kaine]

9 hours ago, Hinjima said:

The problem is that the overclock is unstable at higher frequencies. It is what it is.

You can try to increase voltage on the CPU to overclock it but don't push it too far! Same with the RAM.

Maybe you lost the silicon lottery and got parts that don't overclock well at all.

 

What GPU do you have? Most if not all GPU's can handle a little bit of overclocking.

 

Tbh overclocking ain't easy, sure GPU is kinda but ram... Nah it doesn't want to cooperate at all sometimes, same with CPU...

 

You do need the experience the more you do it the easier it gets, but sometimes parts just don't want to be oc'd... Had a EVGA 1070... The most it could do was like +10hz... (Whereas my 1060 could do 100 easily, my 3070 even does more, with undervolt...)

Vengeance ram... No oc would stick... Bought Gskill bdies, took 30 minutes to oc them to 3600, rock solid since (with different cpus too) 

 

Like really idk if it's worth it unless someone has *fun* tinkering... Me I was curious and wanted to learn, it's not a lot of fun though and unless it's like older hardware not really worth it imo. 

[KebabMan]

7 hours ago, Timme said:

What's your GPU and at what settings do you play?

Rx590 all low with 1280x960 res

[KebabMan]

5 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Tbh overclocking ain't easy, sure GPU is kinda but ram... Nah it doesn't want to cooperate at all sometimes, same with CPU...

 

You do need the experience the more you do it the easier it gets, but sometimes parts just don't want to be oc'd... Had a EVGA 1070... The most it could do was like +10hz... (Whereas my 1060 could do 100 easily, my 3070 even does more, with undervolt...)

Vengeance ram... No oc would stick... Bought Gskill bdies, took 30 minutes to oc them to 3600, rock solid since (with different cpus too) 

 

Like really idk if it's worth it unless someone has *fun* tinkering... Me I was curious and wanted to learn, it's not a lot of fun though and unless it's like older hardware not really worth it imo. 

I've been trying to suck out a bit more power for 5 years out of this mf and it still dosen t want to do it's job.