4090 poll

[Millios]

11 hours ago, SimplyChunk said:

Here's a question.  Does Cyberpunk 2077 fall in to this soulless, real looking Pidgeon hole? or do the realistic graphics on top of a vastly unrealistic world pull it out of that? Maybe setting has something to do with it?

Heres the problem with CP.
Its realistically stylized aka it has realistic looks but a distinct style and way of going about things

Stylized and having soul isnt mutually exclusive but when a game has a potent identity it makes it a game and not a cash grab

To explain my view I want you to look at FIFA and NBA 2k where sure it can look realistic but it has no substance same goes for games like LoL where the style is distinct but the soul it does have is kinda lost in the game and brought up in the side projects and shows and in anything related to it.

To me a game having soul isnt smt lost in or based on the looks only but how its treated and nowdays AAA games like CoD FIFA NBA 2K etc just have no passion and want to make money while games like Hollow knight CP 2077 and to an extent Apex Legends have a story and make a world for their games making it have substance

[Millios]

11 hours ago, Agall said:

Even a game like Warframe that can run 1080p medium on a handheld and impress a beached whale like me.

Warframe looks and feels awesome I agree...

But the money wall for cosmetics stings a bit at least for me but its f2p so i cant blame them

[Agall]

4 hours ago, Millios said:

Warframe looks and feels awesome I agree...

But the money wall for cosmetics stings a bit at least for me but its f2p so i cant blame them

What's nice is almost all of it can be purchase with platinum in game, and if you figure out how the economy works (can trade most things and for platinum) you can end up with functionally infinite platinum. You can genuinely spend $0 and get everything, the most significant limitation is knowledge.

 

I use it as a reference when talking about live service games because its got the suite of necessary environments to test and control relatively well and includes single player content. Its also one of the most optimized games I've ever played, one of the few that would full 600W draw my RTX 4090, even with a i7 4790k. It helps that I've played it for so long so and used it as a benchmark for various hardware over the last 11.5 years, and are the type to stare at framerate counters.

[Millios]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

What's nice is almost all of it can be purchase with platinum in game, and if you figure out how the economy works (can trade most things and for platinum) you can end up with functionally infinite platinum. You can genuinely spend $0 and get everything, the most significant limitation is knowledge.

 

I use it as a reference when talking about live service games because its got the suite of necessary environments to test and control relatively well and includes single player content. Its also one of the most optimized games I've ever played, one of the few that would full 600W draw my RTX 4090, even with a i7 4790k. It helps that I've played it for so long so and used it as a benchmark for various hardware over the last 11.5 years, and are the type to stare at framerate counters.

While I do understand where you come from at least for me the best examples of live service games is a) marvel rivals and funnily enough b)fortnite

Yes marvel rivals is very new but you get all the heroes for free, they allow mods (not like them but they allow them) and if you by a battlepass you cna keep it and work on it forever instead of that specific season.

For me that screams "We made a game we love and want you to enjoy it as you see fit" on top of the fact its a well made game with amazing visuals. Not most optimized tho as its still UE5 and expects a baseline for specs

Fortnite i dont need to explain it, weekly updates for constant balancing, new seasons and maps, creative, ways to earn premium currency for free or via a 1-time-purchase with StW, new skins that actually also have great representation and fun collabs etc etc

For me those two serve as the best Live service examples cause they know what players want and like and listen to the player base

Ofc warframe is also awesome but due to my hardware limitations I couldnt get much into it (Genuienly a phone is better than my PC thats why I'm planning an upgrade within the year and prob towards the end of it if not this summer) But the fact that for a while it could run and run fairly decently speaks volumes about it and how much the company behind wants others to enjoy it

[Agall]

4 minutes ago, Millios said:

For me those two serve as the best Live service examples cause they know what players want and like and listen to the player base

I think there's a lot of good examples of well optimized live service games. I think there's a ton of poor examples too, 3D v-cache demonstrated that to me.

 

5 minutes ago, Millios said:

Ofc warframe is also awesome but due to my hardware limitations I couldnt get much into it (Genuienly a phone is better than my PC

iOS version for Warframe that's fully cross play/save now is out. The Android version is in beta right now. I haven't tried logging into my account on anything other than PC though.

[Millios]

1 minute ago, Agall said:

I think there's a lot of good examples of well optimized live service games. I think there's a ton of poor examples too, 3D v-cache demonstrated that to me.

not that I disagree but you could say that for any game not just live service ones. The new indiana jones game, avatar frontiers, ill throw in starfield cause its so draining etc etc

 

2 minutes ago, Agall said:

iOS version for Warframe that's fully cross play/save now is out. The Android version is in beta right now. I haven't tried logging into my account on anything other than PC though.

Noted but I harbor a destain for apple so I'll be looking out for the mobile port.

Appreciate the info

[Agall]

13 minutes ago, Millios said:

not that I disagree but you could say that for any game not just live service ones. The new indiana jones game, avatar frontiers, ill throw in starfield cause its so draining etc etc

I'm at the point in my life where I don't want to spend the time to learn new games, so I pretty much only play Warframe (and maybe Diablo 4, but that game might be dead now with PoE2). I've spent ~99.5% of my game time playing the same Warframe for the last 11 years, so if I genuinely get bored enough, the Warframes each are functionally unique classes with several builds for each, so there's tons of content still awaiting me, even with 100% mastery of the equipment in the game.

 

Now a days, there's things I'd rather be doing than gaming, standard PC hardware has gotten boring enough for me to swap to a handheld and eGPU, and I'll likely end up getting the ROG Flow Z13 with the new 395+ APU to heavily experiment with that product. Way back in 2016 was the first time I tested using a Microsoft Surface Pro for an eGPU host, CPU performance and thermodynamics simply weren't enough outside of the mid tier H series like the 6700HQ. Even then, there were some severe latency limitations that have since been fixed, all of which was probably OS/driver level with Thunderbolt 3.

 

Back on the topic of the RTX 4090, I would suggest to anyone wanting a serious GPU upgrade who are looking at the RTX 5090 to consider NOT spending $2k on a GPU if its for gaming, especially mostly live service games. Almost everyone would be far better off getting an RTX 5080 or second hand 4090 and spending the rest of that on a 9800x3D. Coming from someone who's bought multiple >$1000 GPUs over the last 12 years, its even less worth it now a days with how powerful the standard GPU is for most games. A game like Warframe can be played on an RX 6600 at 4K and look and run great, for example. 

[Millios]

3 hours ago, Agall said:

I'm at the point in my life where I don't want to spend the time to learn new games, so I pretty much only play Warframe (and maybe Diablo 4, but that game might be dead now with PoE2). I've spent ~99.5% of my game time playing the same Warframe for the last 11 years, so if I genuinely get bored enough, the Warframes each are functionally unique classes with several builds for each, so there's tons of content still awaiting me, even with 100% mastery of the equipment in the game.

 

Now a days, there's things I'd rather be doing than gaming, standard PC hardware has gotten boring enough for me to swap to a handheld and eGPU, and I'll likely end up getting the ROG Flow Z13 with the new 395+ APU to heavily experiment with that product. Way back in 2016 was the first time I tested using a Microsoft Surface Pro for an eGPU host, CPU performance and thermodynamics simply weren't enough outside of the mid tier H series like the 6700HQ. Even then, there were some severe latency limitations that have since been fixed, all of which was probably OS/driver level with Thunderbolt 3.

 

Back on the topic of the RTX 4090, I would suggest to anyone wanting a serious GPU upgrade who are looking at the RTX 5090 to consider NOT spending $2k on a GPU if its for gaming, especially mostly live service games. Almost everyone would be far better off getting an RTX 5080 or second hand 4090 and spending the rest of that on a 9800x3D. Coming from someone who's bought multiple >$1000 GPUs over the last 12 years, its even less worth it now a days with how powerful the standard GPU is for most games. A game like Warframe can be played on an RX 6600 at 4K and look and run great, for example. 

I cannot speak on your preferences or what you wanna do with your gaming cause that is something only you can have a say in (btw if you havent tried it I suggest to try some games simply for the experience but not Live service ones like the yakuza series or dead cells or any great rogue like cause they are pretty fun and filled to the brim with mini games, side quests and weird stuff and have a nearly infinite ammount of equipes to play around with)

From all of this I'll wholy agree that unless you need a 5090 for a productivity reason the only reason to get it is like 4K crazy framerates that come up in single player games and yes for Live service and PVP games a 5080 or used 4090 is a better deal.

The only caviat I might wanna add if I were to grasp at straws is get a 5090 is you have money burning a hole in your pocket aka you have to spend that money or you have so much cash that a 2000$+ gpu is absolutely nothing for you but that can account for like... 3% of all ppl at best? so its an exception not the rule and as much as we'd like not to say it we arent the excpetion

[NumLock21]

I buy a new GPU when my old one either cannot play the games I want, or it's dead and cannot be used anymore. Currently still running on a RTX 2070 and I don't see the need to have the latest and greatest.

[Agall]

2 hours ago, Millios said:

I cannot speak on your preferences or what you wanna do with your gaming cause that is something only you can have a say in (btw if you havent tried it I suggest to try some games simply for the experience but not Live service ones like the yakuza series or dead cells or any great rogue like cause they are pretty fun and filled to the brim with mini games, side quests and weird stuff and have a nearly infinite ammount of equipes to play around with)

From all of this I'll wholy agree that unless you need a 5090 for a productivity reason the only reason to get it is like 4K crazy framerates that come up in single player games and yes for Live service and PVP games a 5080 or used 4090 is a better deal.

The only caviat I might wanna add if I were to grasp at straws is get a 5090 is you have money burning a hole in your pocket aka you have to spend that money or you have so much cash that a 2000$+ gpu is absolutely nothing for you but that can account for like... 3% of all ppl at best? so its an exception not the rule and as much as we'd like not to say it we arent the excpetion

I agree. I'm optimistic that the RTX 4090 will sit as like a '5080 ti' performance wise, given we're not getting a crazy node shrink or insanely better architecture. Maybe the 5080's RT and tensor performance will be the same or better, but considering the price and age of the 4090, that's not half bad even at full retail in 2025.