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Will a PCIe 4 x8 card work with no issues in a PCIe 4 x16 riser cable? I would think yes, but some times things don;t go good together.

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As long as the slot the riser is connected to supporrts x8, yes. (And it would be very rare for a x16 slot to not support x8).

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You can generally operate a x8 device in a x16 slot and even vice versa.

 

For example if the physical x16 slot is only electrically wired for x4, the device should also still work, simply at the lower bandwidth of x4.

 

Of course riser cables themselves can often be iffy, especially at higher PCIe versions, if the cable doesn't have good enough quality to meet the signaling requirements.

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13 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

You can generally operate a x8 device in a x16 slot and even vice versa.

 

For example if the physical x16 slot is only electrically wired for x4, the device should also still work, simply at the lower bandwidth of x4.

 

Of course riser cables themselves can often be iffy, especially at higher PCIe versions, if the cable doesn't have good enough quality to meet the signaling requirements.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CNNJHK93?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1 is what U got.

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18 minutes ago, Salted Spinach said:

If your motherboard and/or CPU only supports PCIE gen 3, your gen 4 graphics card will be limited to PCIE gen 3 x8

 

Even if you use a million dollar PCIE riser cable

It is a Ryzen 7 2700

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9 minutes ago, Edward78 said:

It is a Ryzen 7 2700

So you'll be at Pcie3 x8

What's your GPU ?

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18 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

So you'll be at Pcie3 x8

What's your GPU ?

 ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4060 8GB Solo DLSS 3 8GB GDDR6 128-bit 17 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Super Compact Gaming Graphics Card, ZT-D40600G-10L had some size restrictions with

 

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fighting with PCIE Generations on riser cables can be tough.

You're likely to have some significant troubleshooting on your hands when you try to get this to work.  

 

And as mentioned, you're gonna be on PCIE Gen 3.  The 2700 CPU doesn't support PCIE 4.

 

400 series and older, only support PCIE Gen 3 as well, regardless of CPU.

 

Some 500 series chipsets support PCIE Gen 4 (to different levels)
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20 minutes ago, tkitch said:

You're likely to have some significant troubleshooting on your hands when you try to get this to work.  

I don't think so. The issue with risers that aren't actually gen 4 compatible seems to be when the motherboard, cpu and gpu all are gen 4 but then there's a "link" in the middle that's gen 3(the riser). 

 

Worst case, OP could just go into bios, force gen 3 and not have issues from the get go. 

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u HAD THE 2700 IN A  MSI Performance Gaming AMD Ryzen 1st and 2nd Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 HDMI Display Port Mini-ITX Motherboard (B450I GAMING Plus AC) with a EVGA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti XC Gaming, 08G-P5-3663-KL, 8GB GDDR6, Metal Backplate, LHR  before the upgrade to this sys. The chip is going on a  MSI Performance Gaming AMD Ryzen 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 HDMI Display Port Mini-ITX Motherboard (B450I GAMING PLUS MAX WIFI) 

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2 hours ago, Edward78 said:

 ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4060 8GB Solo DLSS 3 8GB GDDR6 128-bit 17 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Super Compact Gaming Graphics Card, ZT-D40600G-10L had some size restrictions with

 

Pcie3 isn't good for recent x8 cards, you'll lose some performance

And 4060 isn't good anyway, esp. vs a 3060Ti it's kinda a sidegrade if not a downgrade...

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Pcie3 isn't good for recent x8 cards, you'll lose some performance

And 4060 isn't good anyway, esp. vs a 3060Ti it's kinda a sidegrade if not a downgrade...

 

 

 

So a 3969Ti is better, not sure I can find 1 that will fit in the case sadly the 4060Ti was a few mm to thick. That board will take a 2700 right?

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1 minute ago, Edward78 said:

So a 3969Ti is better, not sure I can find 1 that will fit in the case sadly the 4060Ti was a few mm to thick.

A 7700XT would be even better and starts at $390, dual slot so I suppose would fit ? What's your shoebox case ? 😛

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9 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

A 7700XT would be even better and starts at $390, dual slot so I suppose would fit ? What's your shoebox case ? 😛

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That is to bog fpr that case.

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That is to bog fpr that case.

Change the case then 😛

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1 hour ago, PDifolco said:

Change the case then 😛

I love the size, just a sys to build for fun. Will not be main sys.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Edward78 said:

So a 3969Ti is better...

3060Ti is indeed a viable alternative that does not have the PCIE problem. Although I would recommend the RX 6700XT or 6750XT which have better raw raster performance, more VRAM to cope better with newer games and higher resolution, and frame generation support from the GPU vendor

 

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13 hours ago, PDifolco said:

A 7700XT would be even better...

Just in case OP decides to get another graphics card

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14 minutes ago, Salted Spinach said:

3060Ti is indeed a viable alternative that does not have the PCIE problem. Although I would recommend the RX 6700XT or 6750XT which have better raw raster performance, more VRAM to cope better with newer games and higher resolution, and frame generation support from the GPU vendor

 

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Just in case OP decides to get another graphics card

7700XT is 16 lanes

3060Ti too, so no problem on Pcie3

 

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