7600x Idle temps high?

[Tachibana]

I have a 7600x that idles around 60-65c and pushes late 80s to 90s while doing even light gaming, this seems to be around 10-20c higher than what I see others with the same cpu getting but I'm not sure why

Cooler is a Noctua NH-U9S
Thermal paste is Arctic MX-6
Case is a Meshify C but there's only 2 fans, 1 in the front and 1 in the back

I do live in Florida so my ambient temps are probably mid 70s (around 22-25c?)

Not sure if this is normal idles with high ambient, I didn't tighten the CPU cooler enough or maybe more airflow required. 

[Dedayog]

30 minutes ago, Tachibana said:

I have a 7600x that idles around 60-65c and pushes late 80s to 90s while doing even light gaming, this seems to be around 10-20c higher than what I see others with the same cpu getting but I'm not sure why

Cooler is a Noctua NH-U9S
Thermal paste is Arctic MX-6
Case is a Meshify C but there's only 2 fans, 1 in the front and 1 in the back

I do live in Florida so my ambient temps are probably mid 70s (around 22-25c?)

Not sure if this is normal idles with high ambient, I didn't tighten the CPU cooler enough or maybe more airflow required. 

Florida or Montana, won't matter as people in the US don't measure ambient by outside air temps.  We use our HVAC 24/7, so what is your ROOM set at?  As a PC heats a room, ambient can rise depending on the room setup.  My office is 5c+ warmer than the hallway outside, for example.

 

Ambient and CPU temps are a direct relationship, not exponential.  if ambient goes up 5c, then CPU temp goes up 5c.  Not 10-20.

 

That said, find out what IDLE means for your machine.  What is happening in the background, as 60-65c is way too high for a machine not doing anything.  

 

Check your CPU cooler, see if it's sitting properly.  Is it aimed front to back to align with the airflow?

 

What GPU do you have, that's dumping heat into your case?

[Agall]

1 hour ago, Tachibana said:

I have a 7600x that idles around 60-65c and pushes late 80s to 90s while doing even light gaming, this seems to be around 10-20c higher than what I see others with the same cpu getting but I'm not sure why

Cooler is a Noctua NH-U9S
Thermal paste is Arctic MX-6
Case is a Meshify C but there's only 2 fans, 1 in the front and 1 in the back

I do live in Florida so my ambient temps are probably mid 70s (around 22-25c?)

Not sure if this is normal idles with high ambient, I didn't tighten the CPU cooler enough or maybe more airflow required. 

Did you bottom out the screws when installing the NH-U9S? They're designed with a dead stop.

[Tachibana]

7 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Florida or Montana, won't matter as people in the US don't measure ambient by outside air temps.  We use our HVAC 24/7, so what is your ROOM set at?  As a PC heats a room, ambient can rise depending on the room setup.  My office is 5c+ warmer than the hallway outside, for example.

 

Ambient and CPU temps are a direct relationship, not exponential.  if ambient goes up 5c, then CPU temp goes up 5c.  Not 10-20.

 

That said, find out what IDLE means for your machine.  What is happening in the background, as 60-65c is way too high for a machine not doing anything.  

 

Check your CPU cooler, see if it's sitting properly.  Is it aimed front to back to align with the airflow?

 

What GPU do you have, that's dumping heat into your case?
 

Reseated and put a bit more thermal paste since I wasn't sure. Idle is now 52c and around 81 during the ryzen master stress test
Not sure if that's good enough but at least its not hitting 90s anymore haha

[TatamiMatt]

13 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Ambient and CPU temps are a direct relationship, not exponential.  if ambient goes up 5c, then CPU temp goes up 5c.  Not 10-20.

Only somewhat actually id wager, as components get warmer their resistance increases, and running at the same speed with a higher resistance causes slightly more heat, also if ambient is warmer then you have a lower temperature delta for your cooler meaning it will cool less effectively along with the CPU being that 5C warmer, it is quite linear, but i personally dont think its directly proportional, 5C room temp difference might provide 6 or 7C cpu temp difference

[RevGAM]

19 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Florida or Montana, won't matter as people in the US don't measure ambient by outside air temps.  We use our HVAC 24/7, so what is your ROOM set at?  As a PC heats a room, ambient can rise depending on the room setup.  My office is 5c+ warmer than the hallway outside, for example.

 

Ambient and CPU temps are a direct relationship, not exponential.  if ambient goes up 5c, then CPU temp goes up 5c.  Not 10-20.

Bro, as ambient increases, temps increase more. It's not a straight line but a gently changing slope, at least in a computer, as opposed to a vehicle.  I observed this in my testing.

 

Also, not everyone in the USA uses an A/C.

 

That said, the OP said ambient temps, not outdoor temps.

[Dedayog]

5 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Bro, as ambient increases, temps increase more. It's not a straight line but a gently changing slope, at least in a computer, as opposed to a vehicle.  I observed this in my testing.

 

Also, not everyone in the USA uses an A/C.

 

That said, the OP said ambient temps, not outdoor temps.

In Florida, you do.  I was noting he said Florida specifically, which I thought needed clarity since why would you say that if you didn't mean outdoor temps?  The indoor ambients aren't impacted by location then

 

And it's not a straight line, but it's damn close.  Initially if ambient drops 5, you get a 5 drop for the PC.  Then as ambient increases, due to the heat, so does the machine.  They are hand in hand.

 

CPU's are linear with ambient, a 1 for 1.

 

 

[TatamiMatt]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

In Florida, you do.  I was noting he said Florida specifically, which I thought needed clarity since why would you say that if you didn't mean outdoor temps?  The indoor ambients aren't impacted by location then

 

And it's not a straight line, but it's damn close.  Initially if ambient drops 5, you get a 5 drop for the PC.  Then as ambient increases, due to the heat, so does the machine.  They are hand in hand.

 

CPU's are linear with ambient, a 1 for 1.

 

 

It is linear yes, but not directly proportional, x=1.1y or similar, not x=y, but yes close to direct proportionality and still linear

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, TatamiMatt said:

It is linear yes, but not directly proportional, x=1.1y or similar, not x=y, but yes close to direct proportionality and still linear

We are quibbling over 10%, I'll chalk that up as close enough

 

 

[TatamiMatt]

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

We are quibbling over 10%

Yeah, well possibly 10%, that was just a random number

 

3 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

I'll chalk that up as close enough

But I can agree on that 

[RevGAM]

2 hours ago, Dedayog said:

In Florida, you do.  I was noting he said Florida specifically, which I thought needed clarity since why would you say that if you didn't mean outdoor temps?  The indoor ambients aren't impacted by location then

 

And it's not a straight line, but it's damn close.  Initially if ambient drops 5, you get a 5 drop for the PC.  Then as ambient increases, due to the heat, so does the machine.  They are hand in hand.

 

CPU's are linear with ambient, a 1 for 1.

 

 

That's fair. Florida is miserable unless you adapt yourself. 

 

Again, my testing has shown that it is not a straight line. For example, iirc, 24C had a 9 degree lower temp than 28C.

 

That was enough to mess with my test results.

[TatamiMatt]

16 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

That's fair. Florida is miserable unless you adapt yourself. 

 

Again, my testing has shown that it is not a straight line. For example, iirc, 24C had a 9 degree lower temp than 28C.

 

That was enough to mess with my test results.

To be fair, it could be a pretty much exactly linear relationship, just not a 1 to 1 relationship, though youd have to do an astounding amount of testing with a lot more variables than normal at least mostly controlled to find out what the relationship (or graphically the k constant) is between the 2

[Dedayog]

29 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

That's fair. Florida is miserable unless you adapt yourself. 

 

Again, my testing has shown that it is not a straight line. For example, iirc, 24C had a 9 degree lower temp than 28C.

 

That was enough to mess with my test results.

Did you maintain the load, and have your cooler fully saturated at all times?

 

Not sure how extensive others have tested it...

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/how-ambient-temperatures-affect-your-pc-158/#:~:text=Just like at idle%2C the,C rise in ambient temperature.

[NorKris]

2 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Did you maintain the load, and have your cooler fully saturated at all times?

 

Not sure how extensive others have tested it...

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/how-ambient-temperatures-affect-your-pc-158/#:~:text=Just like at idle%2C the,C rise in ambient temperature.

very nice, for 2012      (not saying its wrong but..)

[NorKris]

22 hours ago, Tachibana said:

I have a 7600x that idles around 60-65c and pushes late 80s to 90s while doing even light gaming, this seems to be around 10-20c higher than what I see others with the same cpu getting but I'm not sure why

re-mount the cooler and try again.
report back to us with picture of hwinfo64  or hwmonitor (with watt / power)

but no1 care about ide  

[RevGAM]

18 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Did you maintain the load, and have your cooler fully saturated at all times?

 

Not sure how extensive others have tested it...

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/how-ambient-temperatures-affect-your-pc-158/#:~:text=Just like at idle%2C the,C rise in ambient temperature.

1 hour with Prime 95 small FFTs...

[RevGAM]

14 minutes ago, NorKris said:

re-mount the cooler and try again.
report back to us with picture of hwinfo64  or hwmonitor (with watt / power)

but no1 care about ide  

I care. I love Ide. She's amazing! lol

[NorKris]

56 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

1 hour with Prime 95 small FFTs...

the type of test does not matter  

[RevGAM]

3 hours ago, NorKris said:

the type of test does not matter  

Sure it does. If I'd run a GPU test instead, that wouldn't help at all.

[NorKris]

1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

Sure it does. If I'd run a GPU test instead, that wouldn't help at all.

bro  broo..

[RevGAM]

24 minutes ago, NorKris said:

bro  broo..

Gotcha!

 

Hopefully, @Tachibanawill respond soon.

[Tachibana]

23 hours ago, Dedayog said:

In Florida, you do.  I was noting he said Florida specifically, which I thought needed clarity since why would you say that if you didn't mean outdoor temps?  The indoor ambients aren't impacted by location then

 

And it's not a straight line, but it's damn close.  Initially if ambient drops 5, you get a 5 drop for the PC.  Then as ambient increases, due to the heat, so does the machine.  They are hand in hand.

 

CPU's are linear with ambient, a 1 for 1.

 

 

I specified because even though I use ac, the temp in my house is probably going to be higher than say someone living in Canada. At least everyone I know including Linus that notes their ambient temp it's always 1-4c lower than mine. I mean my house is around 23c usually, and my room when my pc is on is probably hotter? So I felt it was relevant. It's not like I can have my ac on 65 24/7 after all haha it would break

 

 

Anywho, I can do a prime 95 test for an hour and report back later today 

[Tachibana]

prime95 for 30 minutes~ doing the mixed test
Ambient in my room probably around 74-76f 

[NorKris]

2 hours ago, Tachibana said:

prime95 for 30 minutes~ doing the mixed test
Ambient in my room probably around 74-76f 

the cooler is abit weak, but the air cooler experts should speak more on that. but bad mount is my feeling here 

[TatamiMatt]

51 minutes ago, NorKris said:

the cooler is abit weak, but the air cooler experts should speak more on that. but bad mount is my feeling here 

Id wager the same, probably a bit of both, small cooler and possibly could be torqued down further, what orientation is the cooler and whats your case fan layout?