Trying to decide to stick to AM4 or go AM5 (Zen4 or wait for Zen5)?

[SkyStreaker]

Slowly but surely I'm working to change up my system and withing a few months I'll be there, but here's me wondering if I actually should and/or if the gain is perceptible.

 

Right now I'm rocking an MSI Carbon x570S mobo with a 5700x (OC'd to 4.65 stable) and CL14-3600's (4x8GB), Sapphire 7900XFX Pulse and a MSI MAG 341CQP (UW QD-OLED 3440x1440/175Hz). I want to put them to "full use" (subjectively speaking) and right now I'm thinking my current system just doesn't, or so I feel. There's no real bottlenecking AFAIK but still, the thought I'm not using it to it's full potential is nagging in my mind.

The plan is to buy the following:

• AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Boxed (7950X3D if the arguments are there for it)

• Gigabyte X670 GAMING X AX V2 (BT 5.3, 4x M.2 are the reasons, Intergrated IO-shield is secondary)

• 2x G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N (in effect, 64GB of RAM)

However, Zen5 is coming and perhaps I should wait it out or should I just go for the 5950X on AM4 and would that more then suffice? The question is a real one and my budget is ~1700 if need be.
Cooling will be a Dark Rock Pro 4 (or I could keep to my Arctic Liquid Freezer II, the freezer III is an option if the arguments are solid).

Case is a Define R6 and will stay as such.

[Eigenvektor]

8 minutes ago, SkyStreaker said:

However, Zen5 is coming and perhaps I should wait it out or should I just go for the 5950X on AM4 and would that more then suffice?

Suffice for what is the question? What are you using the system for and are you limited by your current CPU?

 

A point in favor of an AM5 system would be that you can easily upgrade to Zen 5 once the need arises. If you stay on AM4 you're on a platform that will receive no more CPU upgrades.

 

Fastest for gaming on AM4 would be an 5800X3D.

[GuiltySpark_]

Do you live near a MicroCenter?

[voyager_]

7 minutes ago, SkyStreaker said:

I want to put them to "full use" (subjectively speaking) and right now I'm thinking my current system just doesn't, or so I feel. There's no real bottlenecking AFAIK but still, the thought I'm not using it to it's full potential is nagging in my mind.

 

What are you exactly trying to get out of it? If nothing is bottlenecking then what makes you think you're not using it to its "full potential" is the GPU maxed out, video memory limitation, cpu limiting it? What are you trying to run on it? If you are set in wanting to upgrade and spend that kind of money then staying on AM4 doesn't really make much sense, you will be still running a dead end platform. Going AM5 gives you potential to upgrade down the road. Just keep in mind you may spend some decent $$$ for little return, last thing you want is to spend the cash and not notice a difference. The best thing I can recommend if you're trying to decide on what parts are worth upgrading is to do some research and look at the system monitor while in game in intense situations where the hardware should be most loaded and see what could be holding it back and do so in multiple games. If it's one thing in particular it may be worth reaching out in those forums to see what people have been doing or running.

[191x7]

29 minutes ago, SkyStreaker said:

Slowly but surely I'm working to change up my system and withing a few months I'll be there, but here's me wondering if I actually should and/or if the gain is perceptible.

 

Right now I'm rocking an MSI Carbon x570S mobo with a 5700x (OC'd to 4.65 stable) and CL14-3600's (4x8GB), Sapphire 7900XFX Pulse and a MSI MAG 341CQP (UW QD-OLED 3440x1440/175Hz). I want to put them to "full use" (subjectively speaking) and right now I'm thinking my current system just doesn't, or so I feel. There's no real bottlenecking AFAIK but still, the thought I'm not using it to it's full potential is nagging in my mind.

The plan is to buy the following:

• AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Boxed (7950X3D if the arguments are there for it)

• Gigabyte X670 GAMING X AX V2 (BT 5.3, 4x M.2 are the reasons, Intergrated IO-shield is secondary)

• 2x G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N (in effect, 64GB of RAM)

However, Zen5 is coming and perhaps I should wait it out or should I just go for the 5950X on AM4 and would that more then suffice? The question is a real one and my budget is ~1700 if need be.
Cooling will be a Dark Rock Pro 4 (or I could keep to my Arctic Liquid Freezer II, the freezer III is an option if the arguments are solid).

Case is a Define R6 and will stay as such.

Just get a 5700X3D or 5800X3D. Pretty much 7700X level of performance, but smoother due to more L3 cache.

[voyager_]

@GuiltySpark_   Bottlenecking, Bottlenecking, Bottlenecking.... Sorry had to

[Agall]

59 minutes ago, SkyStreaker said:

Slowly but surely I'm working to change up my system and withing a few months I'll be there, but here's me wondering if I actually should and/or if the gain is perceptible.

 

Right now I'm rocking an MSI Carbon x570S mobo with a 5700x (OC'd to 4.65 stable) and CL14-3600's (4x8GB), Sapphire 7900XFX Pulse and a MSI MAG 341CQP (UW QD-OLED 3440x1440/175Hz). I want to put them to "full use" (subjectively speaking) and right now I'm thinking my current system just doesn't, or so I feel. There's no real bottlenecking AFAIK but still, the thought I'm not using it to it's full potential is nagging in my mind.

The plan is to buy the following:

• AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Boxed (7950X3D if the arguments are there for it)

• Gigabyte X670 GAMING X AX V2 (BT 5.3, 4x M.2 are the reasons, Intergrated IO-shield is secondary)

• 2x G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N (in effect, 64GB of RAM)

However, Zen5 is coming and perhaps I should wait it out or should I just go for the 5950X on AM4 and would that more then suffice? The question is a real one and my budget is ~1700 if need be.
Cooling will be a Dark Rock Pro 4 (or I could keep to my Arctic Liquid Freezer II, the freezer III is an option if the arguments are solid).

Case is a Define R6 and will stay as such.

Only reason to go with a 5950x or 7950x or 7950x3D is if you want/need the extra multicore for more than gaming. Only gaming scenario I've found where a 7800x3D isn't sufficient is when I run Warframe and Diablo 4 at the same time.

DR Pro 4 is sufficient for any of those, so I wouldn't waste money on an AIO if you already have that and will transplant.

 

I'd just stick to 2x16GB or get a 2x32GB kit than deal with 4x16GB. DDR5 system POST times are already longer with the training DDR5 does, its usually worse with a 4x configuration.

 

If there's no title screaming 'hard CPU limit' right now, then I'd just wait and potentially jump into Intel's 15th generation or Ryzen 9000 series. The 7800x3D will likely still hold its own against that for gaming just like the 5800x3D did against the 7700x, so just something to keep in mind if you do wait.

[YoungBlade]

1 hour ago, SkyStreaker said:

There's no real bottlenecking AFAIK but still, the thought I'm not using it to it's full potential is nagging in my mind.

If your current setup is suiting your needs, then there's no point in upgrading yet.

 

Tech is not an investment. What today gives you 40% better performance for $1,000 will cost $500 in a 2-3 years. And then $250 in 4-5 years. Waiting to upgrade until it's actually required is always the smart play for this reason.

 

Enjoy your system. Use it. And when you find something that it can't do (or can't do to an acceptable level in your eyes) that's the point when you upgrade.

[OddOod]

54 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

If your current setup is suiting your needs, then there's no point in upgrading yet.

 

Again for those in the back: If your rig works for what you use it for, KEEP IT. The new shiny will get dull; even if you do eventually need it, it's not going anywhere and it WILL be cheaper

[GuiltySpark_]

41 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Again for those in the back: If your rig works for what you use it for, KEEP IT. The new shiny will get dull; even if you do eventually need it, it's not going anywhere and it WILL be cheaper

But but... what if hardware is a hobby and you buy the shiny new things for fun?

[SkyStreaker]

Seems I'll be gearing toward the 7800X3D and 2x32GB (occupying 2 slots),thanks for the sound advice and criticism!

[TatamiMatt]

1 hour ago, SkyStreaker said:

Seems I'll be gearing toward the 7800X3D and 2x32GB (occupying 2 slots),thanks for the sound advice and criticism!

Why do you need 64gb of RAM?

[SkyStreaker]

31 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Why do you need 64gb of RAM?

Because I sometimes run a few things that can eat RAM. Sometimes I use it as a virtual disk. Though this is off-topic.

[TatamiMatt]

2 minutes ago, SkyStreaker said:

Because I sometimes run a few things that can eat RAM. Sometimes I use it as a virtual disk. Though this is off-topic.

Yeah thats fair enough, just wondering if youd need the 64gb as DDR5 is a little pricey if your use case was solely gaming or similar