R9 3900x stay or go?

[Sumtinwon]

my currently system:

seasonic 850watt

r9 3900x ( no oc atm ) +noctuas cooling

32gb ddr4 3000mhz

4070 (non ti, tripple fan) 2550*1440p@165hz

2080ti (offshelf)

 

What this pc is used for: streaming on twitch + gaming (wow / ow / crew     -games/ ark/etc..)   fps get lower with new patches games

sometimes i think i feel the the cpu is struggling, but might be sumtin else.

 

so should i replace the cpu or you guys say keep it as long as it works?

[Hinjima]

2 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

my currently system:

seasonic 850watt

r9 3900x ( no oc atm ) +noctuas cooling

32gb ddr4 3000mhz

4070 (non ti, tripple fan) 2550*1440p@165hz

2080ti (offshelf)

 

What this pc is used for: streaming on twitch + gaming (wow / ow / crew     -games/ ark/etc..)   fps get lower with new patches games

sometimes i think i feel the the cpu is struggling, but might be sumtin else.

 

so should i replace the cpu or you guys say keep it as long as it works?

It all depends doesn't it?  Yes it works but so does an 16 year old CPU as well.

If its not performing as well as you want then you should replace it with a faster CPU.

Its up to you to decide if its worth the extra money for a new CPU.

I would upgrade.

[filpo]

9 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

fps get lower with new patches games

sometimes i think i feel the the cpu is struggling, but might be sumtin else.

use msi afterburner with the in game OSD and enable everything you want to check to see what's the problem e.g. if RAM usage is maxing out, then it's most likely that

 

10 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

so should i replace the cpu or you guys say keep it as long as it works?

what res? how are temps in game? try a prime95 for temps and a cinebench 2024 for score

[Sumtinwon]

cpu temps are fine.  no need screenshots / know them from ma head

only games like : the finals reach up to 72Celcius( cpu) / gpu 61)

 

i always play at screen rez 2550*1440 max refresh rate etc... max quality/no blur play with shadows/rtx on-off

wow: between 45 -140fps depending area/content @ 55*c cpu/ under 60 gpu ( this game low fps drops botthers me the most)

overwatch: cpu +/-65*c / gpu 60-63 @165-222fps

the crew : motorfest cpu 68*c / gpu arround 60 - frame locked @60 fps

ARK: 71*c on cpu / gpu 60-ish, 45-76fps

 

idle mode all fans 30%(ish) cpu temps between 35-43*c

 

 

ram is fine, never saw is go over 8Gb/11GB so...

pc ram is a bit slower but won't make that big of an impact i assume.

[podkall]

27 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

pc ram is a bit slower but won't make that big of an impact i assume.

how fast?

[PDifolco]

2 hours ago, Sumtinwon said:

my currently system:

seasonic 850watt

r9 3900x ( no oc atm ) +noctuas cooling

32gb ddr4 3000mhz

4070 (non ti, tripple fan) 2550*1440p@165hz

2080ti (offshelf)

 

What this pc is used for: streaming on twitch + gaming (wow / ow / crew     -games/ ark/etc..)   fps get lower with new patches games

sometimes i think i feel the the cpu is struggling, but might be sumtin else.

 

so should i replace the cpu or you guys say keep it as long as it works?

Get a 5700X3D or 5800X3D, you'd lose 4 cores but the 8 remaining work faster and you have the 3D cache for gaming

[191x7]

3 hours ago, Sumtinwon said:

my currently system:

seasonic 850watt

r9 3900x ( no oc atm ) +noctuas cooling

32gb ddr4 3000mhz

4070 (non ti, tripple fan) 2550*1440p@165hz

2080ti (offshelf)

 

What this pc is used for: streaming on twitch + gaming (wow / ow / crew     -games/ ark/etc..)   fps get lower with new patches games

sometimes i think i feel the the cpu is struggling, but might be sumtin else.

 

so should i replace the cpu or you guys say keep it as long as it works?

Your CPU might be a slight bottleneck for your GPU.  The 3900X is 2 3600, or, a better explanation, you have 4 sets (CCD-s) of 3 cores with a huge latency between the CCD-s. 

A 5800X3D or 5700X3D would be the ideal gaming upgrade for you. A 5700X would do too, but it wouldn't be a great fit for a stronger GPU.

The X3D-s have 1 CCD with 8 cores (so no huge latency between the cores), the cores are stronger and they have a lot of L3 cache which affects many games.

[Sumtinwon]

5 hours ago, podkall said:

how fast?

32,0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 1066MHz (16-15-15-36)

[Sumtinwon]

3 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Get a 5700X3D or 5800X3D, you'd lose 4 cores but the 8 remaining work faster and you have the 3D cache for gaming

yeah was looking into those. but dunno if they make that big of a diffrence???

[191x7]

22 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

yeah was looking into those. but dunno if they make that big of a diffrence???

They do. I switched from a 5900X to a 5800X3D because the 5900X was bottlenecking my 6950XT.

[PDifolco]

1 hour ago, Sumtinwon said:

yeah was looking into those. but dunno if they make that big of a diffrence???

They will make a big difference at 1080p or 1440p low competitive settings, or even at any res in CPU heavy games like Starfield, BG3 or DD2

Plus Zen3 is overall snappier, better manages RAM, etc

[Sumtinwon]

2 hours ago, 191x7 said:

They do. I switched from a 5900X to a 5800X3D because the 5900X was bottlenecking my 6950XT.

Ok. i'll look deeper into that. prizes here seems to be ok-isch (for me ) so...thx for advice

[podkall]

3 hours ago, Sumtinwon said:

32,0GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 1066MHz (16-15-15-36)

so 2133Mhz, depending on task this can be both fast and slow, the CL latency is at least low, but the processing power is quite low for what the Ryzen can handle

 

@191x7 @PDifolco guys shouldn't we consider this quite low RAM speed considering on DDR4 you're usually rocking 3200/3600Mhz on modern machines?

 

 

[191x7]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

so 2133Mhz, depending on task this can be both fast and slow, the CL latency is at least low, but the processing power is quite low for what the Ryzen can handle

 

@191x7 @PDifolco guys shouldn't we consider this quite low RAM speed considering on DDR4 you're usually rocking 3200/3600Mhz on modern machines?

 

 

His post states 3000 and that's fine for a 5800X3D. With a regular Zen3 I'd aim for 3333, 3400, 3600 or 3800 RAM but for an X3D 2933/3000/3200 is just fine.

His signature shows an i7 6700K and ddr4 2133, maybe that was the previous machine, and maybe now he's running DDR4 3000 at 2133 because the XMP (DOCP) profiles aren't loaded?

 

@Sumtinwon is your DOCP (XMP) profile loaded in the Bios? If you have DDR4 3000 but running JEDEC spec 2133 you are severely limiting the 3900X. Please check your Bios settings. And add a few CPU-Z screenshots here.

[podkall]

1 minute ago, 191x7 said:

His post states 3000 and that's fine for a 5800X3D. With a regular Zen3 I'd aim for 3333, 3400, 3600 or 3800 RAM but for an X3D 2933/3000/3200 is just fine.

His signature shows an i7 6700K and ddr4 2133, maybe that was the previous machine, and maybe now he's running DDR4 3000 at 2133 because the XMP (DOCP) profiles aren't loaded?

 

@Sumtinwon is your DOCP (XMP) profile loaded in the Bios? If you have DDR4 3000 but running JEDEC spec 2133 you are severely limiting the 3900X. Please check your Bios settings. And add a few CPU-Z screenshots here.

fastest way to check is through Task Manager, it should show the current RAM clock too in the performance tab

[Sumtinwon]

16 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

 

 

@Sumtinwon is your DOCP (XMP) profile loaded in the Bios? If you have DDR4 3000 but running JEDEC spec 2133 you are severely limiting the 3900X. Please check your Bios settings. And add a few CPU-Z screenshots here.

Yes, under XMP1

[Sumtinwon]

[191x7]

20 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

Yes, under XMP1

Which motherboard do you have? Using the latest Bios?

[freeagent]

Zen 2 is pretty slow. Even Zen 3 literally smokes it. So pretty much any Zen 3 part that is not cut down will be an upgrade if all you do is game. In 5900X's defense, it is a fast CPU, but not at its stock power limits. I find myself going back and forth between my X3D and 5900X quite a bit. X3D is defiantly easier to cool.

[Sumtinwon]

53 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Which motherboard do you have? Using the latest Bios?

MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI (MS-7B93) (AM4)

not latest latest bios but a more recenter version

[191x7]

22 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI (MS-7B93) (AM4)

not latest latest bios but a more recenter version

You should update to the latest version.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X570-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-WIFI/support

 

So your RAM isn't 3000 but 2133? Or is some of your RAM 3000 and some 2133 and thus it works on 2133 together?

[Sumtinwon]

32 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

You should update to the latest version.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X570-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-WIFI/support

 

So your RAM isn't 3000 but 2133? Or is some of your RAM 3000 and some 2133 and thus it works on 2133 together?

2133mhz

ic i have made a fault there. leme check bios version fast b4 i hit the bed. midnight here.

[Sumtinwon]

latest bios

[191x7]

47 minutes ago, Sumtinwon said:

2133mhz

ic i have made a fault there. leme check bios version fast b4 i hit the bed. midnight here.

You can do a few upgrades;

a) a completely new platform like a Ryzen 7000 series CPU, 32GB DDR5, and a B650 board

b) 32GB DDR4 3600 RAM, keeping the 3900X CPU

c) DDR4 3600 and a 5700X

d) DDR4 3200 and a 5800X3D

 

2133 is simply too slow for Zen 2 and Zen 3, limits the CPU a lot.

[foxbill86]

11 hours ago, Sumtinwon said:

yeah was looking into those. but dunno if they make that big of a diffrence???

I just bought a 5700x3d the other day, shits fucking fast in CPU intensive games