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The most reliable way I have found to have perfect 99.9% frametimes is RTSS but it adds a significant amount of imput lag. Coupled with g-SYNC, it's even more noticeable.

 

Is that the only way and no way to get around that sacrifice?

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6 minutes ago, ManderleyBoy said:

The most reliable way I have found to have perfect 99.9% frametimes is RTSS but it adds a significant amount of imput lag. Coupled with g-SYNC, it's even more noticeable.

 

Is that the only way and no way to get around that sacrifice?

No. The ingame frame limiters usually work better. 

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13 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

No. The ingame frame limiters usually work better. 

they don't have more stable frame times

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12 minutes ago, ManderleyBoy said:

they don't have more stable frame times

Battle(non)sense made some great videos on the topic you're interested in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, 191x7 said:

Battle(non)sense made some great videos on the topic you're interested in.

These videos have really opened my eyes. I recently started playing Bloodborne on my PS4 and even though the fps are capped at 30 and the PS4 doesn't have any of these latency reducing features, I was amazed at how responsive the game still felt. With this new knowledge, I'll probably make more use of frame caps in the future.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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On 3/11/2024 at 8:54 AM, Stahlmann said:

These videos have really opened my eyes. I recently started playing Bloodborne on my PS4 and even though the fps are capped at 30 and the PS4 doesn't have any of these latency reducing features, I was amazed at how responsive the game still felt. With this new knowledge, I'll probably make more use of frame caps in the future.

Bloodborn famously is the posterchild for bad frame times, I wish I didn't have to use custom firmware to remove the frame rate cap because From is terrible at programming frame rate limits and I don't want to cfw my ps4 yet 

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15 minutes ago, Sharkyx1 said:

Bloodborn famously is the posterchild for bad frame times, I wish I didn't have to use custom firmware to remove the frame rate cap because From is terrible at programming frame rate limits and I don't want to cfw my ps4 yet 

I've seen ways to actually get 60 fps in this game, but only with the PS4 Pro and you need to modify both the PS firmware, aswell as a physical copy of the game disc, meaning you also need a blu-ray burner, etc. It's just too much hassle tbh, but shows the lack of commitment from Sony and/or FromSoft to deliver on the technical side. FromSoft games are still on another level gameplay wise, but techincally they're pretty bad.

If someone did not use reason to reach their conclusion in the first place, you cannot use reason to convince them otherwise.

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58 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

I've seen ways to actually get 60 fps in this game, but only with the PS4 Pro and you need to modify both the PS firmware, aswell as a physical copy of the game disc, meaning you also need a blu-ray burner, etc. It's just too much hassle tbh, but shows the lack of commitment from Sony and/or FromSoft to deliver on the technical side. FromSoft games are still on another level gameplay wise, but techincally they're pretty bad.

That's also what I'm referring to. Ps5 can do locked 60 ps4 pro can do mostly 60 but it's at 720p instead of 1080p. But yeah you need modded firmware and modded game 

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For starters, blurbusters.com has latency stats showing capping FPS at 3 less than your refresh rate is best when enabling GSYNC + VSYNC. Go to their site for more details on effects of different configs.

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