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Buttr · January 19

I’m thinking about purchasing 7900xt or 4070 super. Which one should I get and have your noticed any driver issues stuttering etc on 7900xt. Also is raytracing on 7900xt better than 4070(off topic doesn’t matter I’m just wondering)

MiszS · January 19

4070 super is worse than the 7800xt, so you should definitely get the 7900xt if they are priced similarly. It don't think it has better raytracing, but because of the overall perfomance difference, the fps with raytracing will be basically the same

RONOTHAN## · January 19

9 minutes ago, Buttr said:

I’m thinking about purchasing 7900xt or 4070 super. Which one should I get

What's the price difference between the two? where you're shopping?

9 minutes ago, Buttr said:

have your noticed any driver issues stuttering etc on 7900xt

I'm not on a 7900 XT, though I personally run a 6900 XT and have multiple friends with 7900 XTXs, none of which have driver or stuttering issues. The closest thing to that is I've had issues with the driver auto-updating the driver and usually have to resort to DDU to do a reinstall (granted, I haven't tried since about 6 months ago after the 4th time the driver broke and required DDU, so I just go to DDU in the first place). The same thing can happen on Nvidia cards though, and it can just be my luck is terrible considering those other friends haven't had the same issues.

9 minutes ago, Buttr said:

Also is raytracing on 7900xt better than 4070(off topic doesn’t matter I’m just wondering)

The 4070 Super is about 10% faster than the 7900 XT in ray tracing on average.

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From:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/35.html

7 minutes ago, MiszS said:

4070 super is worse than the 7800xt

???

Where'd you get that idea from? The 7800 XT is within a few percent of the 4070 non-Super (enough to measure, not enough to care), and the 4070 Super ends up about 10% faster than either of those cards.

Yeah, the 7900 XT is the faster card of the two in traditional rendering, but if it's $200 more expensive for ~15% more performance, I wouldn't exactly call that worthwhile.

Buttr · January 19

Well a higher end 4070 super is around 700 and xfx 7900xt is around

6 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

What's the price difference between the two? where you're shopping?

I'm not on a 7900 XT, though I personally run a 6900 XT and have multiple friends with 7900 XTXs, none of which have driver or stuttering issues. The closest thing to that is I've had issues with the driver auto-updating the driver and usually have to resort to DDU to do a reinstall (granted, I haven't tried since about 6 months ago after the 4th time the driver broke and required DDU, so I just go to DDU in the first place). The same thing can happen on Nvidia cards though, and it can just be my luck is terrible considering those other friends haven't had the same issues.

The 4070 Super is about 10% faster than the 7900 XT in ray tracing on average.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/35.html

???

Where'd you get that idea from? The 7800 XT is within a few percent of the 4070 non-Super (enough to measure, not enough to care), and the 4070 Super ends up about 10% faster than either of those cards.

Yeah, the 7900 XT is the faster card of the two in traditional rendering, but if it's $200 more expensive for ~15% more performance, I wouldn't exactly call that worthwhile.

High range 4070 super is around 700 and xfx 7900xt is on sale on Newegg and Amazon for 720 msrp is 830

RONOTHAN## · January 19

28 minutes ago, Buttr said:

High range 4070 super is around 700

You shouldn't be shopping for the higher end 4070 Supers. They all perform within a few percent of each other, so the extra money spent on one of those is wasted.

Whats the cheapest each of the cards is going for, or just say where you're shopping for them? I'm assuming US due to the 7900 XT price, though I want confirmation before saying for sure.

podkall · January 19

34 minutes ago, Buttr said:

High range 4070 super is around 700 and xfx 7900xt is on sale on Newegg and Amazon for 720 msrp is 830

cheapest 4070 S and most expensive 4070 S will get almost exact same fps, yo will pay 200-300$ for 2fps

Buttr · January 19

Hmm wil I ever see that 20gb vram being useful over 12gb at 1080p to 1440p

33 minutes ago, podkall said:

cheapest 4070 S and most expensive 4070 S will get almost exact same fps, yo will pay 200-300$ for 2

JetFixxxer · January 19

I have a 7900xt and no stuttering or drivers issue.

Which one to get is your choice. Which one checks the more boxes, the 4070S or 7900xt? What resolution you playing at? What CPU?

There is a preconceived notion AMD drivers bad because they were bad before buying out ATI and early on. People tend to blame the drivers when they have an issue on an AMD card.

Also check out other reviews between the 4070s and 7900xt at 1080 vs 1440.

Buttr · January 19

Forget price which one is simply better price or performance

podkall · January 19

16 minutes ago, Buttr said:

Forget price which one is simply better price or performance

so you live in US, and the goal is to spend as much budget as possible for the fastest option?

Bagzie · January 19

1 hour ago, Buttr said:

Hmm wil I ever see that 20gb vram being useful over 12gb at 1080p to 1440p

The 7900XT sits in the bracket of being a great 1440p card whilst being a solid entry level 4k card.

This is not just due to the 20GB of vram bur also the fact it has 800GB/S of bandwidth on that Vram.

The 4070 Super will be an amazing 1440p card just like it's brother the 4070ti , I can see the 4070ti super joining the 7900XT as being an entry level point to 4k aswell.

The 4070 super looks like excellent value and would definately be the card to get for 1440p gaming , Might be slight overkill for 1080p but you will be able to crank up RT on all those titles which is something the 7900XT cannot do.

This video should interest you.

Paul17 · January 20

Will the 7900 XT (and/or) 7900 XTX have a price reduction in about 2 weeks (i.e. end of the month)?

What if you consider used - a used 7900 XT here is about $900-ish - a new 4070 Super here is $829 + tax. The 4070 Ti (used) is around $1000. All CAD.

What would choose out of those choices?

The other variable - imho - is if you use the gpu also for productivity. The 4070 Super is mostly a 1440p card? I want a 4k card - entry level min. My display is a 4K TV 60 hz - but, I might want to switch to a 4k tv w/ 120 hz (VRR) one of these days.

With all that, which would you pick?

Imho, the choice for the OP should be the 7900 XT since it can do 4k - and if it's just gaming - it might make it the better deal?

I think there's a performance (fps) penalty when you use ray tracing in gaming? Wouldn't that be pretty hefty on a 4070 Super? I know it's going to out perform the 7900 xt regardless but I guess that depends on more variables?

Bagzie · January 20

1 minute ago, Paul17 said:

Will the 7900 XT (and/or) 7900 XTX have a price reduction in about 2 weeks (i.e. end of the month)?

What if you consider used - a used 7900 XT here is about $900-ish - a new 4070 Super here is $829 + tax. The 4070 Ti (used) is around $1000. All CAD.

What would choose out of those choices?

The other variable - imho - is if you use the gpu also for productivity. The 4070 Super is mostly a 1440p card? I want a 4k card - entry level min. My display is a 4K TV 60 hz - but, I might want to switch to a 4k tv w/ 120 hz (VRR) one of these days.

With all that, which would you pick?

Imho, the choice for the OP should be the 7900 XT since it can do 4k - and if it's just gaming - it might make it the better deal?

I think there's a performance (fps) penalty when you use ray tracing in gaming? Wouldn't that be pretty hefty on a 4070 Super? I know it's going to out perform the 7900 xt regardless but I guess that depends on more variables?

If you game at 4k the 7900XT is the go to entry point until the 4070ti super is released , 12GB vram will hold you back and a 4070 super isn't really doing any heavy ray tracing at 4k anyways.

Paul17 · January 20

2 minutes ago, Bagzie said:

If you game at 4k the 7900XT is the go to entry point until the 4070ti super is released , 12GB vram will hold you back and a 4070 super isn't really doing any heavy ray tracing at 4k anyways.

Hmmmmm.... I thought I'd get a reply like this - but, I do more than game - the 4070 Ti Super is a decent card so I'd like to keep this as an option although in my country - Canada - this card is gonna be $1100 CAD - the 7900 XT might be below that - I want a 4k card - capable of gaming at 60 fps - but, I want to use it for productivity too - and I am not sure whether the AMD 7900 gpus can do that - I know anything less than that series can't - and I have no interest in gpus below that series.

The 4070 Ti Super can - and will have at least 16gb of vram but the 7900 XT is a decent gpu except for my questions/concerns above.

Vonrottes · January 20

Had my 7900xt since February, I dealt with the shuttering issues in VR but that has been fixed...other than that can't really say I had any issues or complaints with it.
I did however just install a Kryosheet since the 7900xt and xtx have issues with the factory paste pumping out (90c hotspot temps with fans at 100%)

I mostly play 1080/120fps haven't seen anything it couldn't run max settings.
but I also do a little bit of 4k/60 gaming on my living room TV again haven't seen anything it can't run max settings and maintain 60fps.

Ray tracing performance is..... well.... that's definitely Nvidias thing.
I think best I got was in cyberpunk max setting and max RT settings at 1080 I was seeing like 60-70fps with somes dips into the 40fps.
Alan wake 2 RT setting at medium is playable at 1080 but RT on at 4k is like 26fps.
Starfield max settings only issues are the game itself runs 1080/120 and 4k/60 just fine.
Forza Horizon 5 max settings also runs fine, haven't tried it at 4k I don't think.

for productivity I don't really do a LOT of stuff that is GPU bound, just some photo editing in lightroom and photoshop (8k photos), some light CAD work in F360 and occasionally some OBS use.
Only time I've seen memory usage even get close to 20gb is in Forza and photoshop.

I'd say just go for whatever is the best bang for your cash, personally I think the 7900xt is a better value UNLESS you want to use DLSS/framegen and RT, I do not use FSR so I can't comment on how the 7900xt does with it on.
if you buy used chances are you will need to repaste the 7900xt.

Buttr · January 22

Honestly I would prob stick to 1080p high refresh rate 250-360hz what option would best utilize and reach that in Competative high cos shooters. Anthing else I’m gonna crank up hgraphics and be happy with anything above 60fps I am now considering mainly the 7800xt 7900xt and 4070super. But i may always upgrade to a 1440p (not likely)

Buttr · January 23

On 1/20/2024 at 3:07 PM, Bagzie said:

If you game at 4k the 7900XT is the go to entry point until the 4070ti super is released , 12GB vram will hold you back and a 4070 super isn't really doing any heavy ray tracing at 4k anyways.

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Blue4130 · January 23

On 1/21/2024 at 4:12 AM, Paul17 said:

- but, I want to use it for productivity too - and I am not sure whether the AMD 7900 gpus can do that - I know anything less than that series can't -

What complete hogwash. People have been using amd gpu's for productivity long before the 7900. Don't say that it can't. They may not be the quickest, but they absolutely CAN do the tasks.

Paul17 · January 23

10 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

What complete hogwash. People have been using amd gpu's for productivity long before the 7900. Don't say that it can't. They may not be the quickest, but they absolutely CAN do the tasks.

That's hogwash. Ppl in the productivity arena use Nvidia gpus - try to tell anyone who does it professionally, that they use AMD gpus. I was mostly interested in a 7900 xtx just because of general all-purpose use - but, productivity software is my main priority but I do some gaming on the side and I also use Linux - so, it seemed like a good fit. But, I discovered AMD sucks for this use - it's crap in Blender, in video editing, it appears to be inferior there too - do you have an AMD gpu to do any of those software tasks?

I would even argue - it's not always able to do the tasks - lots of AMD gpu owners report crashing or not being able to use the software. Even if you can, the software stack is bad so the performance is slow. It's really disappointing.

Vonrottes · January 23

15 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

What complete hogwash. People have been using amd gpu's for productivity long before the 7900. Don't say that it can't. They may not be the quickest, but they absolutely CAN do the tasks.

I mean he is right thought.
the 7900xt gets WRECKED by the 4070 ti in "creative benchmarks"
https://www.techradar.com/versus/nvidia-rtx-4070-ti-vs-amd-rx-7900-xt

But that is literally just the software being optimized for the "industry standard"

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the workload that these benchmarks test — being optimized for Nvidia's CUDA instruction set. AMD doesn't use CUDA, but it has said that it is working with Blender to optimize the forthcoming Blender 3.5.0 for AMD cards

it's a disadvantage at a software level, but still still makes the Nvidia cards MUCH better in these work loads... not an excuse for AMD but it is unfair imo.

Blue4130 · January 24

14 hours ago, Paul17 said:

That's hogwash. Ppl in the productivity arena use Nvidia gpus - try to tell anyone who does it professionally, that they use AMD gpus. I was mostly interested in a 7900 xtx just because of general all-purpose use - but, productivity software is my main priority but I do some gaming on the side and I also use Linux - so, it seemed like a good fit. But, I discovered AMD sucks for this use - it's crap in Blender, in video editing, it appears to be inferior there too - do you have an AMD gpu to do any of those software tasks?

I would even argue - it's not always able to do the tasks - lots of AMD gpu owners report crashing or not being able to use the software. Even if you can, the software stack is bad so the performance is slow. It's really disappointing.

So are you saying that every person that has a mac is unable to do these tasks? You specifically said that they (amd cards pre 7900) CAN'T do these tasks. That is untrue. They can, not at the speed that an nvidia card can, but people have been happily using amd cards for video long before the 7xxx series came out.

Paul17 · January 24

On 1/23/2024 at 11:48 AM, Vonrottes said:

I mean he is right thought.
the 7900xt gets WRECKED by the 4070 ti in "creative benchmarks"
https://www.techradar.com/versus/nvidia-rtx-4070-ti-vs-amd-rx-7900-xt

But that is literally just the software being optimized for the "industry standard"

it's a disadvantage at a software level, but still still makes the Nvidia cards MUCH better in these work loads... not an excuse for AMD but it is unfair imo.

Nvidia might have optimized it - 'becoming the industry standard' etc. - as you say, but then why is AMD promoting themselves as 'great for content creators?' They should just keep their mouths shut, don't you think?

It's just facts - I wish it wasn't the case - it's not just the gaming industry that needs competition. It's bad that Nvidia is a monopoly or near monopoly in just about every aspect or field of computing - and I want an all-purpose card - productivity is the #1 priority for me but I do some gaming 'on the side' - so, I follow the discussions there, too.

But, AMD is not even competitive in productivity areas - they should have far cheaper cards to reflect that discrepancy.

Paul17 · January 24

15 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

So are you saying that every person that has a mac is unable to do these tasks? You specifically said that they (amd cards pre 7900) CAN'T do these tasks. That is untrue. They can, not at the speed that an nvidia card can, but people have been happily using amd cards for video long before the 7xxx series came out.

Macs aren't chosen for Blender or video editing.

https://render.gradedblue.com/blog/using-blender-on-a-mac/

A hobbyist might but that's it.

My point is, AMD charges a lot for gpus that are lacking in practically all areas other than gaming.

Bagzie · January 24

1 hour ago, Paul17 said:

Macs aren't chosen for Blender or video editing.

https://render.gradedblue.com/blog/using-blender-on-a-mac/

A hobbyist might but that's it.

My point is, AMD charges a lot for gpus that are lacking in practically all areas other than gaming.

Imagine there gaming graphics cards being good for gaming.

What craziness is this...

Paul17 · January 24

3 hours ago, Bagzie said:

Imagine there gaming graphics cards being good for gaming.

What craziness is this...

So are Nvidia gpus last time I checked - better for other stuff, too.

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