ARC Bsttlemage?

[Edward78]

I M Hppy it qill not cost a left nut, they say it will be around the RTX 4070 in how it performs & I am hoping Intel will have all the driver issues fixed. Anyway, do you think it will be worth the wait?

[Skiiwee29]

Only time will tell. Given the track record from Alchemist, I personally won't hold my breath. They may be running the same gambit AMD does with poor drivers at launch that mature over time. But poor drivers really dampens the experience for the end user suffering the consequences. Its why I stick to Team Green exclusively for my systems.

[Edward78]

6 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Only time will tell. Given the track record from Alchemist, I personally won't hold my breath. They may be running the same gambit AMD does with poor drivers at launch that mature over time. But poor drivers really dampens the experience for the end user suffering the consequences. Its why I stick to Team Green exclusively for my systems.

It is the pruce with them, but BM will only be Geb 2. So it is abit unfair to be like that. Like if this was gen 5 coming & the drivers still sucked at release, ok that thought would be deseved.

 

 

[Stahlmann]

Right now Intel is the biggest hope for future builders who are looking for affordable GPU's since both AMD and Nvidia have decided that future 30% performance uplifts should also cost 30% more. With the current top-dogs the GPU market is pretty much stalled atm.

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, Edward78 said:

It is the pruce with them, but BM will only be Geb 2. So it is abit unfair to be like that. Like if this was gen 5 coming & the drivers still sucked at release, ok that thought would be deseved.

 

 

how is it unfair? Its not like Intel is a new company. If they can't produce a competent product when they launch it, it should absolutely receive the groans and sighs it deserves from the community. I am buying a product expecting the company I buy it from to be competent in ensuring it works in all aspects they claim. If it doesn't, then it 100% deserves my skeptic views.

[Edward78]

20 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

how is it unfair? Its not like Intel is a new company. If they can't produce a competent product when they launch it, it should absolutely receive the groans and sighs it deserves from the community. I am buying a product expecting the company I buy it from to be competent in ensuring it works in all aspects they claim. If it doesn't, then it 100% deserves my skeptic views.

They are new in the descrete GPU space, it does suck they could have hired people experieanced in GPU drivers. ATi/AMD has been doing this forever & the same with them. People should be mad at them for not getting it right the first time. Are you mad at the person who just got their first license for not being a great driver, or the 36 year old for driving like a idiot? You crawl before you walk.

[Bagzie]

9 hours ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Only time will tell. Given the track record from Alchemist, I personally won't hold my breath. They may be running the same gambit AMD does with poor drivers at launch that mature over time. But poor drivers really dampens the experience for the end user suffering the consequences. Its why I stick to Team Green exclusively for my systems.

I think it's a little different from AMD though , Personally I've had no issues with AMD drivers since I got mine but that might just be me getting lucky with the games I play.

 

The problem with arc is some games are unplayable , AMD might get more performance over time but there baseline is still pretty reasonable.

 

Intel are coming on leaps and bounds though considering this is there first generation of GPU's.

 

Would I buy one? Probably not but they are pretty reasonable at there current price point if you only play select games and accept that some games you'll need to wait for a driver update.

[Dedayog]

On 10/11/2023 at 10:56 AM, Edward78 said:

They are new in the descrete GPU space, it does suck they could have hired people experieanced in GPU drivers. ATi/AMD has been doing this forever & the same with them. People should be mad at them for not getting it right the first time. Are you mad at the person who just got their first license for not being a great driver, or the 36 year old for driving like a idiot? You crawl before you walk.

You're upset because they've been driving go karts for 36 years and cars aren't worlds different.

 

You crawl before you walk, but Intel has been crawling for DECADES.

[Lukjo]

15 hours ago, Dedayog said:

You're upset because they've been driving go karts for 36 years and cars aren't worlds different.

 

You crawl before you walk, but Intel has been crawling for DECADES.

I dont know what u are talking about.

Intel has been in the discrete GPU space for only a  few years

 

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Lukjo said:

I dont know what u are talking about.

Intel has been in the discrete GPU space for only a  few years

 

But they have been making micro electronics for decades, they came out with something called a CPU I think it was a long time ago.  Not sure how well it did at all, but it was an idea they had.

 

/s

 

If you can't understand that Intel has been making microprocessing units for longer than you have been alive, so they SHOULD be able to transfer a good bit of this knowledge to GPUs.... you're just making excuses for them.

[Blue4130]

On 10/11/2023 at 10:56 PM, Edward78 said:

They are new in the descrete GPU space, it does suck they could have hired people experieanced in GPU drivers. ATi/AMD has been doing this forever & the same with them. People should be mad at them for not getting it right the first time. Are you mad at the person who just got their first license for not being a great driver, or the 36 year old for driving like a idiot? You crawl before you walk.

Being new is no excuse for a shitty product or end user experience. Especially with a company at the level of intel. They have been a dominating force in computers for a long long time. You either get your current team up to speed, or hire people that know how to make the product to compete with other already established products.

[Lukjo]

On 10/14/2023 at 3:33 AM, Blue4130 said:

Being new is no excuse for a shitty product or end user experience. Especially with a company at the level of intel. They have been a dominating force in computers for a long long time. You either get your current team up to speed, or hire people that know how to make the product to compete with other already established products.

 

On 10/13/2023 at 2:42 PM, Dedayog said:

But they have been making micro electronics for decades, they came out with something called a CPU I think it was a long time ago.  Not sure how well it did at all, but it was an idea they had.

 

/s

 

If you can't understand that Intel has been making microprocessing units for longer than you have been alive, so they SHOULD be able to transfer a good bit of this knowledge to GPUs.... you're just making excuses for them.

Theres no point in arguing with people that have little to no idea of what theyare talking about

Its like saying that its expected of a truck company to make a luxury car and its not allowed to make mistakes or vice versa.

No one is saying to buy intel arc gpus, u shouldnt, they are bad product ,and inferior to the competition.

But it dosent mean that a hate train should start to behead the company that its not able to "excel" in a new technology that they are not very experienced in making.

If all u needed was knowledge for micro electronics to make CPUs GPUs then everyone would be making them.

Im honestly looking forward to intel's growth and i hope they wont abandon this discrete GPU project, cause if it succeeds (all intel needs is to not abandon it ) the consumer wins

[Dedayog]

10 hours ago, Lukjo said:

 

Theres no point in arguing with people that have little to no idea of what theyare talking about

Its like saying that its expected of a truck company to make a luxury car and its not allowed to make mistakes or vice versa.

No one is saying to buy intel arc gpus, u shouldnt, they are bad product ,and inferior to the competition.

But it dosent mean that a hate train should start to behead the company that its not able to "excel" in a new technology that they are not very experienced in making.

If all u needed was knowledge for micro electronics to make CPUs GPUs then everyone would be making them.

Im honestly looking forward to intel's growth and i hope they wont abandon this discrete GPU project, cause if it succeeds (all intel needs is to not abandon it ) the consumer wins

Completely agree.  No need to lynch them or berate them for their products. 

 

Also, we shouldn't give them excuses and rationalize their shortcomings.

 

Don't buy into the "everybody gets a trophy!!!" mentality.  Some can just flat out suck, even with all the money and talent at their disposal.

 

Last note, your analogies are grossly disassociated.   Truck company making luxury cars?  No, it's like a car company making a luxury car (Toyota making a Lexus).  Unless I am wildly off, making a GPU isn't THAT different than making a CPU, and even if it is further than I think... you still have a company that has been the WORLD LEADER for decades in micro architecture, iGPU's, drivers, coding, etc.

 

IMO, they should be producing a better product.  Hopefully one is on the way shortly.

[Lukjo]

No ur right my analogy might not be too correct for this exemple, its even more disassociated then that ,its like comparing a airplane to a car where the only things they have in common is that they are made of metal,wires and an engine is powering them and they are used for transport. Belive me

 

They compute very different things and their algorithms are vastly different with little in common,same goes for their arhitecture.

The only thing they share is the same silicon. They are simply built for different tasks,and the arhitecture behind them takes decades of development,knowledge and experience.

It is simply absurd to think that anyone nvidia,amd or intel is able to release a product created from scratch while lacking the necessary experience and product age. Where nvidia to release a CPU (that is not a a schematic "stolen" from ARM but actually developed by them) their product would be just as succesfull as intel ARC.

Remember u dont see AMD and Nvidia make these mistakes now cause they have built up their knowledge and experience across years and tackling things one by one as things came up, they all made these mistakes at some point in time, intel has to go through in a few years what amd and nvidia went through in decades and do it all at once where Nvidia and AMD had time to reiterate and build upon their architecture numerous times to fix many issues.

[Blue4130]

This is insane thinking that one company CAN'T make two different products. It's not like they are using the CPU engineers to make the GPUs. They hire the correct people for the job. Do you think AMD uses the same people for the two divisions? Or nvidia, or any other company?

 

Sure, intel hasn't done a dgpu in a while, but I am not going to give them an easy time for releasing a beta product. I applaud them for making a gpu and sticking with it, but they also should have given it longer in the dev stage.