Graphics cards

[KingBobster]

Hi all, what should I Choose between a 4070 or the new 7800xt? Please no other suggestions just between these two. Thanks 

[Dedayog]

7800xt.  Watch reviews.

 

Did you back off the 7900XT that was recommended to you?

[Middcore]

7800 XT is slightly faster in traditional raster graphics.

 

4070 will be better in games with ray tracing on and DLSS is better than FSR right now if you need it.

 

Certain media/productivity tasks favor Nvidia's architecture but if you're only gaming this doesn't matter. 

 

7800 XT is a little cheaper although they all sold out first day whereas you can buy a 4070 at will.

 

 

[JonS77]

I would say the 4070. No questions.

 

It's the faster card by far( unless you turn off specific graphics options, I don't like to say "if you turn of RT" becuase it's been 5 years and to me RT settings are just another graphics option in the menu. I see no reason to isolate them anymore after 5 years) If I could afford either of these cards then there is no reason to go with the 7800xt. FSR is not usable to me, that means native res only in a world where DLSS/DLAA could look better than native + TAA, FSR looks terrible in motion to me. Also the frame generation on DLSS's side has been tried and tested and updated, on AMD's side we still don't know and it will like take years before they catch up and be equal if ever without dedicated hardware. Other than that the 4070 has better power management, better VR performance, productivity uses, things you might do as a hobby or otherwise that have to do with AI or ML, and better resell value. I also believe the drivers to be a lot easier to trust on Nvidia's side in terms of stability and function but saying this might get some people upset and I'm not up for arguments over it, I'm just reflecting my personal experience with a 7900XTX on release last year.

 

Right now they're both the same price on Amazon, I see no reason to suggest the 7800XT unless it's at least 150$ cheaper and even then I would say I wouldn't pick it for myself.

[Middcore]

1 hour ago, Jon-Slow said:

It's the faster card by far( unless you turn off specific graphics options, I don't like to say "if you turn of RT" becuase it's been 5 years and to me RT settings are just another graphics option in the menu. I see no reason to isolate them anymore after 5 years)

 

It's been 5 years, but the majority of new games continue to not even support RT, and even in games that support RT and with cards that do RT "well" turning it on can mean cutting your fps in half, which isn't worth it to a lot of people. 

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Jon-Slow said:

I would say the 4070. No questions.

 

It's the faster card by far( unless you turn off specific graphics options, I don't like to say "if you turn of RT" becuase it's been 5 years and to me RT settings are just another graphics option in the menu. I see no reason to isolate them anymore after 5 years) If I could afford either of these cards then there is no reason to go with the 7800xt. FSR is not usable to me, that means native res only in a world where DLSS/DLAA could look better than native + TAA, FSR looks terrible in motion to me. Also the frame generation on DLSS's side has been tried and tested and updated, on AMD's side we still don't know and it will like take years before they catch up and be equal if ever without dedicated hardware. Other than that the 4070 has better power management, better VR performance, productivity uses, things you might do as a hobby or otherwise that have to do with AI or ML, and better resell value. I also believe the drivers to be a lot easier to trust on Nvidia's side in terms of stability and function but saying this might get some people upset and I'm not up for arguments over it, I'm just reflecting my personal experience with a 7900XTX on release last year.

 

Right now they're both the same price on Amazon, I see no reason to suggest the 7800XT unless it's at least 150$ cheaper and even then I would say I wouldn't pick it for myself.

First and foremost I would agree that the rx 7900xtx has had alot of stability issues especially with drivers but as far as I am aware that is mainly an RX 7900xtx issue and isn't even seen in the RX 7900xt. I am basing this off of information from a microcenter employee who has seen massive returns on their RX 7900xtx due to instability and driver issues. They didn't see this for the RX 7900xt and 6000 series AMD gpus so I would say it's not really fair to say that AMD has reliability issues as a whole for one product having the issue. I mean it's not like the RX 7800xt will have this issue. Also RT is cool but unless you are rocking a 4090 I don't see why you would turn that stuff on and tank performance. I would take higher fps than having RT that is not super noticeable on. Honestly the issue is we already have techniques to mimic raytracing that are much less demanding and to opt to use raytracing over those conventional methods are a hard sell due to them not looking drastically different. So yes the RX 7800xt is faster than the 4070 and to say that it isn't is sorta insane because few people actually care about RT performance. There are legitimate reasons to go with the 4070 but most of what you said aren't them. I mean the only good point made is about other features that the 4070 has like dlss support, nvenc, and Cuda. 

[KingBobster]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

7800xt.  Watch reviews.

 

Did you back off the 7900XT that was recommended to you?

yeah too many downgrades in other parts to fit budget. i have watched many reviews and they seem rather similar but yes slightly leaning towards the 7800xt.  the 7900xt would end up being nearly 3/4 of the total cost just for the gpu which I've heard is not recommended in any build 

[KingBobster]

1 hour ago, Jon-Slow said:

I would say the 4070. No questions.

 

It's the faster card by far( unless you turn off specific graphics options, I don't like to say "if you turn of RT" becuase it's been 5 years and to me RT settings are just another graphics option in the menu. I see no reason to isolate them anymore after 5 years) If I could afford either of these cards then there is no reason to go with the 7800xt. FSR is not usable to me, that means native res only in a world where DLSS/DLAA could look better than native + TAA, FSR looks terrible in motion to me. Also the frame generation on DLSS's side has been tried and tested and updated, on AMD's side we still don't know and it will like take years before they catch up and be equal if ever without dedicated hardware. Other than that the 4070 has better power management, better VR performance, productivity uses, things you might do as a hobby or otherwise that have to do with AI or ML, and better resell value. I also believe the drivers to be a lot easier to trust on Nvidia's side in terms of stability and function but saying this might get some people upset and I'm not up for arguments over it, I'm just reflecting my personal experience with a 7900XTX on release last year.

 

Right now they're both the same price on Amazon, I see no reason to suggest the 7800XT unless it's at least 150$ cheaper and even then I would say I wouldn't pick it for myself.

thanks for your advise. i can only find the 7800xt for just over £500 while the 4070 is just under £600. I'm hearing alot of mixed opinions on these two cards 

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, KingBobster said:

thanks for your advise. i can only find the 7800xt for just over £500 while the 4070 is just under £600. I'm hearing alot of mixed opinions on these two cards 

Watch the 6950XT pricing, it beats the pants off both cards and may drop to 600 possibly.

[Paul17]

1 hour ago, KingBobster said:

thanks for your advise. i can only find the 7800xt for just over £500 while the 4070 is just under £600. I'm hearing alot of mixed opinions on these two cards 

Do you only game?   I agree with 'Jon Slow' - he gave really good reasons to pick the Nvidia card - but, if you just game - then you are comparing FSR vs DLSS - and the AMD software is 'better' than the ancient-looking Nvidia interface - but, those are minor things.   Also, for gamers - it might matter which games you play since they are tailored for either AMD or Nvidia cards.   

 

Even with all that said, I think Jon Slow's point by point rationale was good and I think the nvidia card offers more benefits/perks what have you - if you do more than just gaming.   The power efficiency is with Nvidia, too.

If you just game though - a cheaper 7800 XT might be enough of a reason to pick it - but, you might want to find 7800 XT card owners and 4070 card owners - and weigh the 'good experiences' vs 'bad experiences' for both - and that might tip the scales so to speak, possibly?   

[JonS77]

11 hours ago, Middcore said:

It's been 5 years, but the majority of new games continue to not even support RT, and even in games that support RT and with cards that do RT "well" turning it on can mean cutting your fps in half, which isn't worth it to a lot of people. 

 

There is a problem with just calling it RT as it is not a toggle but a spectrum of many different settings and options. So I disagree with saying that it cuts your FPS in half, you could be picking and choosing from RT options and don't always have to turn everything to the max and treat it as a toggle in a game's menu or when talking about it. Overall it's very subjective but I do prefer to have the hardware with the better raw RT performance if both of these offerings are coming at a similar price range.

 

Other than that, saying that most games continue to not support it is technically true. BUT, almost all visually modern games do. And those are the games we upgrade for. Of course you can make a list that looks like 99 percent of games don't support RT and make that list be all either indie games, smaller games, or games with visual styles that don't count like anime or cell shaded ones. But to play any of those games, I could've kept my 4 year old GPU and not have been bothered either.

My feeling is that every major release this year outside of one or two that I have played have had some degree of RT integration. But I agree that this is all subjective, I would personally not want to go back.

 

But aside from that RT is just one of the many things I brought up, we could take it or leave it, but we still have a long list of other advantages the 4070 keeps in comparison to the 7800XT. I think most people just see a benchmark chart and make up their mind, but to not reiterate everything else I've listed, I'll just take the better power management and all the DLSS features including Reflex and rest my case.