AMD or Intel for Latest games & 20 years old games

[sergelac]

Budget (including currency): prefer under 3000 CAD, but will go up to 4000 CAD

Country: Canada, near Montreal

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: recent games (baldur gate 3, cyberpunk 2077, KCD) and 20 years old CD games that have been patched to work with new systems (thief gold, thief 2)

Other details : need system before october 2023 because my old computer still have windows 7, need case with side window and a space for blu-ray player, i don't need peripherals, will upgrade monitor later, want a graphics card with at least 12GB under 1000 $

 

i don't know if i should get AMD or Intel, its almost the same price on cipc.com

i don't know any other system builder near montreal with good choice in parts

 

i want to run all games at ultra/max settings

i don't want and will never buy water cooling

 

intel : 3462.48 $

ASUS TUF Gaming Z790-Plus ATX DDR5 Wi-Fi 6E 338.99 $

Intel 13th Gen Core i7-13700K 16-Core 3.4GHz UHD Graphics CPU 571.99 $

 

AMD : 3572.86 $

ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-Plus ATX DDR5 Wi-Fi 6E 455.99 $

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2GHz 8C/16T ZEN 4 CPU 550.99 $

 

rest of the parts :

Fractal Design Focus G - Gunmetal Gray Window ATX Mid-Tower 87.99 $

ASUS TUF Gaming 1000W 80 Plus Gold ATX 217.99 $

Noctua NH-U12A chromax black High-Performance 2xNF-A12 120mm 194.99 $

Kingston FURY Renegade DDR5 6000MHz 32GB Kit (2x16GB) CL32 182.99 $

ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 4070 12GB OC Edition (TUF-RTX4070-O12G-GAMING) 945.99 $

Kingston FURY Renegade M.2 2TB PCIe 4.0 SSD 174.99 $

Microsoft Windows 11 Pro 64bit - OEM 189.99 $

assembly + 1 year warranty 100.00 $

 

this part list is based on what they have in stock right now

 

[brob]

If you are willing to assemble the system yourself or know someone that can do it for you, consider buying from multiple sources.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($529.00 @ Canada Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 DIGITAL 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($106.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M PG RIPTIDE Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory  ($124.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Storage: Kingston KC3000 2.048 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.69 @ iSanek) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1149.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Canada Computers) 
Power Supply: MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit  ($172.50 @ Vuugo) 
Custom: Fractal Design FD-A-USBC-001 Pop Accessory USB-C 10Gbps Cable -... 
Total: $2698.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-06 16:09 EDT-0400

[dizmo]

I'd just build it yourself. You're not really gaining anything going through a builder. If it's only 1 year warranty on everything, you're actually getting less.

If you can put together a LEGO set, you can put together a PC.

You over spec'd your PSU; you don't need 1000w.

 

The build @brob put together is great, and the build @My poodle is not French is good if you don't mind an AMD card.

[sergelac]

new parts list, i will build it myself, still not sure about intel or amd

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($548.98 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler  ($62.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 PRO RS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($186.96 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1129.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($144.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit  ($259.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card  ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $3003.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 13:46 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($529.00 @ Canada Computers)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler  ($62.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock X670E Pro RS ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($309.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($186.96 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1129.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($144.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit  ($259.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card  ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $3043.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 13:45 EDT-0400

 

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($471.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  ($71.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($199.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($171.21 @ Vuugo) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1129.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($144.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($153.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit  ($258.07 @ iSanek) 
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card  ($84.28 @ Vuugo) 
Total: $2846.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 14:35 EDT-0400

[brob]

2 hours ago, sergelac said:

new parts list, i will build it myself, still not sure about intel or amd

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($548.98 @ Amazon Canada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler  ($62.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 PRO RS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($249.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($186.96 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1129.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($144.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit  ($259.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card  ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $3003.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 13:46 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($529.00 @ Canada Computers)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler  ($62.95 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock X670E Pro RS ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($309.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($159.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($186.96 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1129.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($144.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit  ($259.99 @ Best Buy Canada)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Rx 24-bit 192 kHz Sound Card  ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $3043.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 13:45 EDT-0400

 

 

Both are less expensive, quieter and higher performance than the NH-U12S.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/tWYmP6/deepcool-ak500-zero-dark-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak500-bknnmt-g-1

 

Better performing and less expensive NVMe drives.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/crKKHx/western-digital-black-sn850x-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t2x0e

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/sJPQzy/kingston-kc3000-2048-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-skc3000d2048g

 

Has an optical drive bay behind the lower front panel and is less expensive. It also has a glass rather than acrylic side panel. It is also a little smaller than the Enthoo Pro.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02

 

Why are you including a sound card?

 

is there a particular reason for getting Windows Pro rather than Home?

 

Either CPU will provide a decent gaming experience.

 

[sergelac]

21 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Both are less expensive, quieter and higher performance than the NH-U12S.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/tWYmP6/deepcool-ak500-zero-dark-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-r-ak500-bknnmt-g-1

 

Better performing and less expensive NVMe drives.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/crKKHx/western-digital-black-sn850x-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t2x0e

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/sJPQzy/kingston-kc3000-2048-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-skc3000d2048g

 

Has an optical drive bay behind the lower front panel and is less expensive. It also has a glass rather than acrylic side panel. It is also a little smaller than the Enthoo Pro.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02

 

Why are you including a sound card?

 

is there a particular reason for getting Windows Pro rather than Home?

 

Either CPU will provide a decent gaming experience.

 

 

i updated my lists with the KC3000 and the Peerless Assassin 120 SE

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HBfYTY

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/smd4qR

 

i really don't like the fractal design pro air

- the drive bay is on the bottom and my pc is on my desk with my mouse directly in front of it, i would remove that front panel door permanently

- the usb are on top instead of the front, can't reach them without getting up

 

Windows Pro for Group Policy

 

[brob]

21 minutes ago, sergelac said:

i would remove that front panel door permanently

- the usb are on top instead of the front, can't reach them without getting up

 

It's a magnetically attached panel, so removing it would be straight forward. But front panel on the top is understandably a deal killer.

 

If you are willing to spend a bit more there is a tempered glass version of the Enthoo Pro, https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BfPKHx/phanteks-enthoo-pro-tempered-glass-atx-full-tower-case-ph-es614ptg_bk.

[sergelac]

is tempered glass better ? why ?

 

 

 

pcpartpicker always give me this warning :

 

CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the LGA1700 Motherboard.

 

but does not give me a link to it, i cannot find any "mounting adapter" on pcpartpicker

 

[brob]

Acrylic scratches very easily and is difficult to clean as many cleaning substances will cloud the material.

 

The message is CYA. If the cooler packaging indicates LGA 1700 support, the appropriate bracket is included. If not, it's likely old stock and you will have to get the bracket from the manufacturer.

[sergelac]

i think i will buy the AMD system

 

i changed the memory for AMD EXPO certified

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LjHx6D

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30

i will buy some parts directly from the local best-buy and canada computers and order the rest online

[brob]

36 minutes ago, sergelac said:

i think i will buy the AMD system

 

i changed the memory for AMD EXPO certified

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LjHx6D

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30

i will buy some parts directly from the local best-buy and canada computers and order the rest online

 

EXPO memory is good. Trident Z5 Neo are 44mm tall, you may have to raise the outer fan of the cooler. There is sufficient room in the Enthoo Pro, so it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[sergelac]

i ordered the memory, video card, sound card at canada computers,

I bought the cooler, CPU, SSD, and the power supply at the same place.

 

they did not have the Peerless Assassin 120 SE or the RM850e.

got the Deepcool AK620 instead and the RM850x for 5$ cheaper.

 

ordered the case and the motherboard on newegg.ca

will buy windows at best-buy when i have everything.

 

and i got starfield for free for buying the CPU

[sergelac]

the final build : https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/sZwb89

i build it myself, everything seems to work, the memory fit under the cooler, i did not have to raise the outer fan.

and i save 60$ by getting the dvd version and making the usb key myself

 

i was thinking of adding a 2.5" SATA SSD, but i will never need more than another 2 TB

maybe its better to add another M.2 KC3000

 

i don't know what 90% of the bios settings do, i downloaded the BIOS Setup Guide but it doesn't explain much in great detail.

I changed these settings :

- activated AMD EXPO 6000

- changed cpu fan from silent to standard

- turn off wake on LAN

- activated secure boot & changed mode from custom to standard

- disabled Full Screen Logo

 

i don't see hardware detection info at startup, is it normal ?

is it because Fast Boot is enabled ?

[Tan3l6]

1 minute ago, sergelac said:

i don't see hardware detection info at startup, is it normal ?

At POST? I think it's somewhat common if the monitor won't turn on fast enough.

 

How are benchmarks, like 3DMark Time spy scores? Should indicate if anything is lacking/bottlenecking.

[sergelac]

been stuck in BSOD hell all day, did system restore, system repair, safe mode driver uninstall

i finally decided to remove the sound card

 

after installing drivers, i have AMD PSP 11 Device power failure in device manager

edit : updated bios to 1.28 (2023/07/28) and its ok now

[sergelac]

On 9/15/2023 at 10:27 AM, Tan3l6 said:

How are benchmarks, like 3DMark Time spy scores? Should indicate if anything is lacking/bottlenecking.

 

i got invalid score, don't know why

 

but in KCD i got 60-120 FPS at ultra high settings,

all option to max quality in nvidia control panel

 

on my old system, i had 40-60 at medium-high settings