Madison reveals experiences working at LMG

[JoshuaScholar]

9 minutes ago, S_g said:

No.
 

When her manager allegedly forced her to control and continue to update/monitor the LTT onlyfans joke account after she was bombarded with explicit images doing so and brought it up with her manager.

 

What a person does in there own time in no way changes an employers obligations to an employee at work.

I consider these complaints utterly unworthy of being brought up, unlike the rest.

 

It was a safe for work April fools joke. 

 

If she can't handle the way humanity is on the internet, then she has a mental problem and the wrong job which is no one's fault.

 

But all of the other complaints were very serious.  She should have left that one off.

[leeatschool]

2 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I consider these complaints utterly unworthy of being brought up, unlike the rest.

 

It was a safe for work April fools joke. 

 

If she can't handle the way humanity is on the internet, then she has a mental problem and the wrong job which is no one's fault.

 

But all of the other complaints were very serious.  She should have left that one off.

How many unsolicited dick pics do you think were sent to the LST account?

 

You do realize that the images were tame, but highly suggestive, and if that wasn't in her job description, it really wasn't okay, right?

[JoshuaScholar]

Don't care in the slightest.

[fastferry]

21 minutes ago, S_g said:

Like in an all hands HR briefing the day after she left ?  The timing and now possible context of the “dance on the table” “joke” unless it’s a running inside joke at the company says a hell of a lot.  

Given the employee thought it was appropriate and funny Is very telling about the culture.

This part disturbed me the most, too.  While I found the joke to be objectively funny, this was the ONE TIME in LMG history that Broseph should have used his inside voice.  Is he that socially obtuse or just plain mean?

(Background: reminds me of when my dad verbally abused me for winning a provincial championship and justifying himself with, "I have freedom of speech.")

[S_g]

11 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

It was a safe for work April fools joke. 

 

If she can't handle the way humanity is on the internet, then she has a mental problem and the wrong job which is no one's fault.

The issue isn’t that OF or that the social media person was managing it.  That can be negotiated like say a firefighter calander promotion is.
 

 The issue is once she made her manager aware what was happening  and that she was asked to keep exposing herself to that it that is a very clear cut example of sexual harassment.

 

The last round of training I did had almost the exact same set up as an example (using magazines instead of DM’s) but imho it still applies.  Once a manager is made aware they have obligations to put controls in place to make the work place safe. 

+ given the platform it should have been expected and policies put in place if it had been thought about for longer then a Linus brain fart.

[Legitsu]

16 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I consider these complaints utterly unworthy of being brought up, unlike the rest.

 

It was a safe for work April fools joke. 

 

If she can't handle the way humanity is on the internet, then she has a mental problem and the wrong job which is no one's fault.

 

But all of the other complaints were very serious.  She should have left that one off.

indeed so now the question is WHAT else isn't 100%true 

[JoshuaScholar]

2 minutes ago, S_g said:

The issue isn’t that OF or that the social media person was managing it.  That can be negotiated like say a firefighter calander promotion is.
 

 The issue is once she made her manager aware what was happening  and that she was asked to keep exposing herself to that it that is a very clear cut example of sexual harassment.

 

The last round of training I did had almost the exact same set up as an example (using magazines instead of DM’s) but imho it still applies.  Once a manager is made aware they have obligations to put controls in place to make the work place safe. 

+ given the platform it should have been expected and policies put in place if it had been thought about for longer then a Linus brain fart.

I realize that Americans have a weird theory that all sexuality is magically traumatizing and that official reality is that it's somehow "sexual harassment" to be exposed to any expression, even by random people on the internet, if you self-identify as incapable of handling it.

 

It's utter nonsense, and if you can't handle humanity, don't get a social media job.  Americans are WRONG.

 

 

[JoshuaScholar]

3 minutes ago, Legitsu said:

indeed so now the question is WHAT else isn't 100%true 

I didn't say that it wasn't true, I said that it was not harassment and she shouldn't have mentioned it.

[leeatschool]

1 minute ago, Legitsu said:

indeed so now the question is WHAT else isn't 100%true 

This isn't even a matter of it being 100% true. You have no way of knowing what she was asked to do, and @JoshuaScholar's comment didn't address veracity of the claim, just that they didn't feel it was as intense as the others.

 

There is no ground to question what they have said. Until evidence to the contrary is provided, the victim should be believed.

[leeatschool]

1 minute ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I realize that Americans have a weird theory that all sexuality is magically traumatizing and that official reality is that it's somehow "sexual harassment" to be exposed to any expression, even by random people on the internet, if you self-identify as incapable of handling it.

 

It's utter nonsense, and if you can't handle humanity, don't get a social media job.  Americans are WRONG.

 

 

Americans are wrong about a lot of things. But it is pretty much universally not okay to expose your employee to harmful materials (including that which was inevitably sent to the LST OF). It isn't a matter of ooh its just how the internet is. OF is a porn platform, at the end of the day, its what it is, and that means that there is a higher expectation and duty of protection surrounding it. 

[JoshuaScholar]

Just now, leeatschool said:

Americans are wrong about a lot of things. But it is pretty much universally not okay to expose your employee to harmful materials (including that which was inevitably sent to the LST OF). It isn't a matter of ooh its just how the internet is. OF is a porn platform, at the end of the day, its what it is, and that means that there is a higher expectation and duty of protection surrounding it. 

Oh so harmful!

[leeatschool]

Just now, JoshuaScholar said:

Oh so harmful!

A couple of things:

1) Harm is a legal definition here, not a personal one. And yes, in pretty much every developed nation, that would be considered harm, including in Canada where the whole thing happened

 

2) Harm is relative, and what's fine for one person may be harmful for another.

 

3) Regardless of whether you like it or not, the employer has a responsibility to protect their employee from harm, especially when said harm manifested from their own joke.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I didn't say that it wasn't true, I said that it was not harassment and she shouldn't have mentioned it.

You believe that requiring an employee to read lewd comments and look at obscene pictures after they have objected to this isn't sexual harassment?!?!

 

I don't know where you live, but you would be very wrong in Canada at least.

[JoshuaScholar]

2 minutes ago, leeatschool said:

A couple of things:

1) Harm is a legal definition here, not a personal one. And yes, in pretty much every developed nation, that would be considered harm, including in Canada where the whole thing happened

 

2) Harm is relative, and what's fine for one person may be harmful for another.

 

3) Regardless of whether you like it or not, the employer has a responsibility to protect their employee from harm, especially when said harm manifested from their own joke.

It's sad when the law makes up nonsense that doesn't correspond to anything in reality.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I realize that Americans have a weird theory that all sexuality is magically traumatizing and that official reality is that it's somehow "sexual harassment" to be exposed to any expression, even by random people on the internet, if you self-identify as incapable of handling it.

 

It's utter nonsense, and if you can't handle humanity, don't get a social media job.  Americans are WRONG.

 

 

I realize that some non-Americans have this weird theory that even though they have zero background in psychology or mental trauma, they feel that they can magically determine that everyone is able to healthily consume any media that is thrown at them.   I'm guessing these people self-identify as pretty smart, which is unfortunate when much of what they spew is nonsense.

 

If you don't know what you are talking about, kindly keep quiet.   YOU are WRONG.

[Legitsu]

6 minutes ago, Mutex01 said:

I realize that some non-Americans have this weird theory that even though they have zero background in psychology or mental trauma, they feel that they can magically determine that everyone is able to healthily consume any media that is thrown at them.   I'm guessing these people self-identify as pretty smart, which is unfortunate when much of what they spew is nonsense.

 

If you don't know what you are talking about, kindly keep quiet.   YOU are WRONG.

you are right given her demonstated complete lack of ablity to handle any thing sexual she was very clearly tramatised 

 

never mind you the endless jokes she made about her bodly fuctions or gentials 

 

clearly she was not emotionally ready to be subjected to the internet so the question is again why was she in social media? 

 

that arugment holds as much water as a fork folks.  15 minutes of scrolling her twitter should convince you that she has NO problem handling "sexually explicit comments" 

we can all agree tho shes does have serious mental health issues tho what kind of reasonable person enjoys  mean jokes about somebody bleeding out or brags about the shape of her vagina 

 

you people aren't seeing her for what she really is because you are convinced shes a victum: real talk shes not shes a nutbag that likely got exactly what she was giving others  

 

I really hope they have CCTV and have footage of every single word uttered I will thoughly enjoy watching this unravel like my cat with a ball of yarn 

[JoshuaScholar]

2 minutes ago, Legitsu said:

you people aren't seeing her for what she really is because you are convinced shes a victum: real talk shes not shes a nutbag that likely got exactly what she was giving others  

I suppose there's a slight possibility that she "gives it out but can't take it" on a crazy level, that she is also guilty of everything she accuses others of.  But we can't know things like that if we weren't in the room for every single interaction.

 

I have argued from the beginning that the structure of work needs to be different with things like union representatives who you can ask to be in the room for every meeting.

[NavyEmt]

13 minutes ago, Mutex01 said:

You believe that requiring an employee to read lewd comments and look at obscene pictures after they have objected to this isn't sexual harassment?!?!

 

I don't know where you live, but you would be very wrong in Canada at least.

If it part of your job I do, and if you object then the company you work for has the right to find someone who does not object to do the job. Obscene pics and comments is sadly part of the digital age be it on OF or twitter.

[Legitsu]

23 minutes ago, JoshuaScholar said:

I suppose there's a slight possibility that she "gives it out but can't take it" on a crazy level, that she is also guilty of everything she accuses others of.  But we can't know things like that if we weren't in the room for every single interaction.

 

I have argued from the beginning that the structure of work needs to be different with things like union representatives who you can ask to be in the room for every meeting.

exactly just like we can't KNOW what the FULL TRUTH is

 

my company is having a really bad week as well if I go on my personal twitter and claim my boss took it out my me by touching me in my no no square does that make it truth ? would you belive me if I wrote a sob piece about how I have been abused the last decade ? because I been though shit that would turn maddisons hair 3 shades of gray then back to blond again and seen worse.

 

people need to grow some thicker skin especially if you work with the public in any shape or form becaususe eventually somebody is gonna offend your sensablitys 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Legitsu

[Cooldoe]

45 minutes ago, Mutex01 said:

You believe that requiring an employee to read lewd comments and look at obscene pictures after they have objected to this isn't sexual harassment?!?!

 

I don't know where you live, but you would be very wrong in Canada at least.

How would LMG team would know that someone would send obscene photo?

Just because it is onlyfans? You are generalizing here.

As mention before the subscriber is mainly member of the community and they did not even expect there would be anyone subscribing to it.

So there is no plan on forcing anyone to see any lewd picture

[Cooldoe]

54 minutes ago, Mutex01 said:

You believe that requiring an employee to read lewd comments and look at obscene pictures after they have objected to this isn't sexual harassment?!?!

 

I don't know where you live, but you would be very wrong in Canada at least.

If that the case the no one can work to manage twitter/X account then as you will find more in twitter compared to managing a joke onlyfans account

[S_g]

59 minutes ago, Cooldoe said:

How would LMG team would know that someone would send obscene photo?

Because she told them it was happening.

 

1 hour ago, Cooldoe said:

Just because it is onlyfans? You are generalizing here.

Yes, it’s like if LTT decided pornhub was a good alternate to YouTube.  While what they are hosting isn’t a problem there is a reasonable expectation of what will be on the platform. 

[Montana One-Six]

I don't care for either party in this discussion. Just one thing I want to throw in here.

 

If you are a social media manager for any company you will be confronted with things you probably aren't comfortable with. That is the nature of the internet and someone who works with social media should be aware of that. If they are not aware of that they should probably watch the documentary 'The Cleaners' (or any other that shows the work of content moderators) because to some extent they will probably see and be confronted with things like that in a social media job.

 

Like I said I don't care about either party but working in social media you should be able to handle things like that to a certain degree and if you cannot you probably have the wrong job.

[Super_goose_007]

8 minutes ago, Montana One-Six said:

I don't care for either party in this discussion. Just one thing I want to throw in here.

 

If you are a social media manager for any company you will be confronted with things you probably aren't comfortable with. That is the nature of the internet and someone who works with social media should be aware of that. If they are not aware of that they should probably watch the documentary 'The Cleaners' (or any other that shows the work of content moderators) because to some extent they will probably see and be confronted with things like that in a social media job.

 

Like I said I don't care about either party but working in social media you should be able to handle things like that to a certain degree and if you cannot you probably have the wrong job.

A slight difference between accepting a job as a social media manager at a tech-reviewer company, and a porn-platform? They did it only for the 'lols'.

[Cooldoe]

46 minutes ago, S_g said:

Because she told them it was happening.

 

Yes, it’s like if LTT decided pornhub was a good alternate to YouTube.  While what they are hosting isn’t a problem there is a reasonable expectation of what will be on the platform. 

She said about not wanting to host it before the whole ordeal as far as I know from the twitter post.

 

You di know pornhub and onlyfans have method right? Onlyfans is subscriber only. So you need to pay before you can msg your creator