(New) PC Build. I need thoughts about the partlist and wether I should "upgrade" now.

[GamingKlex]

Budget (including currency): up to 1500€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Some gaming, programming and probably gamedev (Unreal Engine)

 

So I'm thinking of buying some components to do an upgrade or build a new pc, as I'm coming to the limits with my current one.

 

Current Build:

Ryzen 7 2700, 16GB DDR4 Ram, GTX 1660. Unknown motherboard and fans (it is a prebuilt i bought a few years ago)

 

Stuff I want to buy:

GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X Slim 16G  (I decided to choose this one, as the 4070 only has 12 GB of VRAM)

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K  (I think integrated graphics could be useful at some point)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB black DIMM Kit 64GB, DDR5-6000

Case: Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case  (includes 4 fans, which may not be the best but probably enough)

Stuff like CPU cooler (maybe AIO), I have not decided on. (Maybe someone has some recommendations?)

I have not calculated it yet, but my current PSU has 650 watts, which may be enough.

 

Some people told me that I should save the money to do an upgrade to a 4080. (which I'm not a fan of, because it costs more than this build)

 

Any thoughts on this? Lowest price of the build could be 1363€ (1505 USD).

[will0hlep]

21 minutes ago, GamingKlex said:

Budget (including currency): up to 1500€

Country: Germany

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Some gaming, programming and probably gamedev (Unreal Engine)

 

So I'm thinking of buying some components to do an upgrade or build a new pc, as I'm coming to the limits with my current one.

 

Current Build:

Ryzen 7 2700, 16GB DDR4 Ram, GTX 1660. Unknown motherboard and fans (it is a prebuilt i bought a few years ago)

 

Stuff I want to buy:

GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X Slim 16G  (I decided to choose this one, as the 4070 only has 12 GB of VRAM)

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K  (I think integrated graphics could be useful at some point)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB black DIMM Kit 64GB, DDR5-6000

Case: Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case  (includes 4 fans, which may not be the best but probably enough)

Stuff like CPU cooler (maybe AIO), I have not decided on. (Maybe someone has some recommendations?)

I have not calculated it yet, but my current PSU has 650 watts, which may be enough.

 

Some people told me that I should save the money to do an upgrade to a 4080. (which I'm not a fan of, because it costs more than this build)

 

Any thoughts on this? Lowest price of the build could be 1363€ (1505 USD).

I think you should be able to get a 13th gen or a 7000 series chip in this budget.

Is there a reason you need 64GB of ram immediately?

Is there a reason you need such an expensive motherboard?

The 4060Ti does offer a good amount of Vram, but the performance is awful for the money. If I were you, I'd wait for the Radeon 7700XT and 7800XT.

[venomtail]

Made me puke a little, sorry.

 

4060 nope.

Old CPU.

Z690 motherboard and you're not even thinking on overclocking.

Overspecced RAM, probs wouldn't even run properly with first gen controller.

 

I've done gamedev, small scale only and a config like this would serve me pretty well. Extra SSD as files sizes stack up real quick:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  (€305.83 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€74.48 @ Galaxus) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€143.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€66.90 @ Alza) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€41.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Leven JP600 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€173.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€347.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€67.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€98.89 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Total: €1321.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 13:59 CEST+0200

 

I don't really see the point in intergrated graphics unless you're a troubleshooter, video renderer or streamer. Either way, extra 30eur for 13600K with iGPU.

[dverdier]

A couple things I can tell you from my limited experience with my build. I have the same case and it was awesome to build in. Plenty of room. The 4070 is a better choice. While it only has 12g of ram the muscle of the card is much better. I ran cyberpunk and days gone recently 4k maxed out at 90-100fps. I have a 7950x and 64g of 6400ram so I'm sure that helped some. But every single review I've seen on the 60 says it's crap regardless of the vram. I think they f***** up this whole line starting when they unlaunched the 80. They had that wrong but there is so much dif between the 90 and 80 that by the time you get down to the 50 and 60s there's just nothing left. If you're not running 4k the 70 will do everything you need it to. That's my 2 cents but these guys before me seem to know a lot more. Take the advice because If I can see your build isn't headed in the right direction, then there's def something wrong.

[filpo]

3 hours ago, venomtail said:

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  (€305.83 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€74.48 @ Galaxus) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€143.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€66.90 @ Alza) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€41.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Leven JP600 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€173.95 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  (€347.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€67.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€98.89 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Total: €1321.74

why not a 6950 xt?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/cwDHfv

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  (€245.00 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€56.72 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock B660M Pro RS Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€117.11 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€36.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€204.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: ASRock Phantom Gaming OC Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€688.88 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Zalman S2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€37.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master XG850 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€121.90 @ Alza) 
Total: €1508.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-25 17:45 CEST+0200

 

[dverdier]

4 hours ago, will0hlep said:

I think you should be able to get a 13th gen or a 7000 series chip in this budget.

Is there a reason you need 64GB of ram immediately?

Is there a reason you need such an expensive motherboard?

The 4060Ti does offer a good amount of Vram, but the performance is awful for the money. If I were you, I'd wait for the Radeon 7700XT and 7800XT.

Holy s**! I'm curious what you do where you need 12 drives at 48gb of storage on a server. If you don't mind telling me.

[filpo]

8 minutes ago, dverdier said:

I'm curious what you do where you need 12 drives at 48gb of storage on a server.

12 drives of what? And 48gb of 'storage' is not a lot. 48gb of 'memory' is a different story

[dverdier]

11 minutes ago, filpo said:

12 drives of what? And 48gb of 'storage' is not a lot. 48gb of 'memory' is a different story

I clicked on your server link for pcpartspicker list. I'm not knocking you or anything negative. I'm just curious what you do with that server. And I meant 48tb

[filpo]

1 minute ago, dverdier said:

I clicked on your server link for pcpartspicker list. I'm not knocking you or anything negative. I'm just curious what you do with that server. And I meant 48tb

i'm not @will0hlep but it's his NAS (network Access storage) and is connected by the network to his pc (and maybe his secondary one) and is a mass storage for him (could be Plex movies, photos, personal data, work stuff) but idk. You could DM him to ask him

[dverdier]

10 minutes ago, filpo said:

i'm not @will0hlep but it's his NAS (network Access storage) and is connected by the network to his pc (and maybe his secondary one) and is a mass storage for him (could be Plex movies, photos, personal data, work stuff) but idk. You could DM him to ask him

I'm sorry. I should've paid more attention. I have an older pc with about 6tb that I have connected as a media server. I have a shit ton of movies and I'm nowhere near filling it up. None of them are redundant tho. It just seems like a lot for a personal server. I thought maybe he had a really cool job or was an avid content creator or something.

 

I guess it's more than 6. I also have a 4tb ext drive that has all the movies and back ups from another older pc. It'll prob take me a few more years to fill it all and I do a decent amount of dl.

[filpo]

7 minutes ago, dverdier said:

I thought maybe he had a really cool job or was an avid content creator or something.

check his bio and you'll see

 

Traffic control might be pretty storage intensive with all the video files he compiles. he also has a PhD so that might be another reason why. He's also working in reinforcement learning 

 

I'm 15 so idk what they do in traffic control and reinforcement learning

[dverdier]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

check his bio and you'll see

 

Traffic control might be pretty storage intensive with all the video files he compiles. he also has a PhD so that might be another reason why. He's also working in reinforcement learning 

That's nice and all. I didn't see that but it still doesn't tell me what he uses all that for. It's a ton of space just for personal back up. I'd bet there are businesses out there that don't have this large a server. 

 

OP: I totally didn't mean to change the direction of your thread. I thought id ask that question, dude would tell me and I'd say that's cool and it be over.

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, dverdier said:

That's nice and all. I didn't see that but it still doesn't tell me what he uses all that for. It's a ton of space just for personal back up. I'd bet there are businesses out there that don't have this large a server. 

ye sorry idk. Try dm'ing him 

[dverdier]

1 minute ago, filpo said:

ye sorry idk. Try dm'ing him 

It's cool. I could've saved all that had I caught you weren't the same guy. lol Have a good one.

[venomtail]

7 hours ago, filpo said:

why not a 6950 xt?

For what he requested seems a bit overkill. Of course depends what games you plan to make but programming alone an APU is enough, even my Vega 10 is enough for light graphics games. Sure more GPU power is cool but coding inneficiency will steal performance far sooner than running into a legit peak capacity usage.

 

I'm like 200~eur still left over, enough for OP to suit his build even closer to what he needs. For game dev I'd get another one of those 4TB SSD's I found. tf y wasn't that available a half a year ago when I wanted another mass SSD storage. Game devs downs storage like it's nothing. A more powerful system is cool and all but he'll be stuck between a rock and the uninstall/delete button often, at least that what I had to deal with when I only had 2TB of total storage. Never again.

[filpo]

7 hours ago, venomtail said:

For what he requested seems a bit overkill. Of course depends what games you plan to make but programming alone an APU is enough, even my Vega 10 is enough for light graphics games. Sure more GPU power is cool but coding inneficiency will steal performance far sooner than running into a legit peak capacity usage.

 

I'm like 200~eur still left over, enough for OP to suit his build even closer to what he needs. For game dev I'd get another one of those 4TB SSD's I found. tf y wasn't that available a half a year ago when I wanted another mass SSD storage. Game devs downs storage like it's nothing. A more powerful system is cool and all but he'll be stuck between a rock and the uninstall/delete button often, at least that what I had to deal with when I only had 2TB of total storage. Never again.

On second thought a 4070 would be better for the mix of games and UE5 work

[venomtail]

On 7/26/2023 at 7:23 AM, filpo said:

On second thought a 4070 would be better for the mix of games and UE5 work

Which mix of games? OP hasn't given any example of what he wants to play.

As for programming and game dev, I haven't ran into any issues outside of UE5 itself being extremely busted. I read a post or two of people with Radeon cards complaining something doesn't work but it's the same for NVIDIA. Seems like they rushed it out of the door so that they can show off the cool features first, then fix all the bugs later.

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Which mix of games? OP hasn't given any example of what he wants to play

I meant 'a mix of gaming and UE5 work'

 

3 minutes ago, venomtail said:

As for programming and game dev, I haven't ran into any issues outside of UE5 itself being extremely busted. I read a post or two of people with Radeon cards complaining something doesn't work but it's the same for NVIDIA. Seems like they rushed it out of the door so that they can show off the cool features first, then fix all the bugs later.

Either way effciency is better on the nvidia side and since in Germany the prices are so high it would be more cost efficient to go with the 4070 over something like a 6950 xt

[venomtail]

2 hours ago, filpo said:

Either way effciency is better on the nvidia side and since in Germany the prices are so high it would be more cost efficient to go with the 4070 over something like a 6950 xt

Dude, any discussions about what the best choice to go with is in regard to how expensive a choice of products will be when it comes to saving you total amount of money in the long term will need excel spreadsheets worth of info. Sure in a nutshell the smaller the watt the gooder the bill but how long until OP breaks even and start saving money if he bought and NVIDIA GPU compared to the premium he pays upfront about it. What scale are we talking about?

 

We don't know what sort of workload OP will be running so lets just take peak usage. 6700XT's 220W vs 4070's 200W. That's a 10% difference. With a quick google search, playing 8 hours a day for a year, your electric bill for the PC alone would come to some 200eur. Buying a 4070 to a 6700XT you'd save yourself 20eur on the bill from the 10% difference. Taking the cheapest 4070 to the cheapest 6700XT to is a 269eur premium, and if electricity prices remain the same, PSU, GPU, cooling and other gimmicks remains the same (best case) for years on end it'll take OP just some 13 (rounded down) years before he starts seeing the money savings from the higher efficiency. I don't think it's worth it at all. This is even just a gaming session with no goal in mind. Businesses even would take into account how long it takes to render/compile something against how much electricity it has consumed against even more variables.

 

I'm not good at maths and this was quick maths so something's I've missed without a doubt as it's a nuanced point that with a simple suggestion of NVIDIA is cheaper to run in the long term cause it's cheaper to run missed the bigger picture. If both GPU's cost the same, are identical in every other way then yea, power efficiency would make the clear winner but not when NVIDIA asks for such a premium.

[GamingKlex]

So first of all, I appreciate the feedback and suggestions.

I did some thinking and now think the 4070 is a better choice for me. I switched to 32 GB of Ram as it is easy (and not as expensive) to upgrade that.

As I now also need a new PSU, I chose this one: 1000W be quit! Pure Power 12 M Modular 80+ Gold

A different case, some storage and a cpu cooler and the current build cost is around 1.638€ (1802 USD)

[filpo]

23 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Dude, any discussions about what the best choice to go with is in regard to how expensive a choice of products will be when it comes to saving you total amount of money in the long term will need excel spreadsheets worth of info. Sure in a nutshell the smaller the watt the gooder the bill but how long until OP breaks even and start saving money if he bought and NVIDIA GPU compared to the premium he pays upfront about it. What scale are we talking about?

 

We don't know what sort of workload OP will be running so lets just take peak usage. 6700XT's 220W vs 4070's 200W. That's a 10% difference. With a quick google search, playing 8 hours a day for a year, your electric bill for the PC alone would come to some 200eur. Buying a 4070 to a 6700XT you'd save yourself 20eur on the bill from the 10% difference. Taking the cheapest 4070 to the cheapest 6700XT to is a 269eur premium, and if electricity prices remain the same, PSU, GPU, cooling and other gimmicks remains the same (best case) for years on end it'll take OP just some 13 (rounded down) years before he starts seeing the money savings from the higher efficiency. I don't think it's worth it at all. This is even just a gaming session with no goal in mind. Businesses even would take into account how long it takes to render/compile something against how much electricity it has consumed against even more variables.

 

I'm not good at maths and this was quick maths so something's I've missed without a doubt as it's a nuanced point that with a simple suggestion of NVIDIA is cheaper to run in the long term cause it's cheaper to run missed the bigger picture. If both GPU's cost the same, are identical in every other way then yea, power efficiency would make the clear winner but not when NVIDIA asks for such a premium.

That was just my take on it. I didn’t make any calculations on it just cuz i didn’t see the need to. Neither gpu are terrible and nvidia does give some features over the AMD counterparts

 

and some people prefer some companies over others

5 minutes ago, GamingKlex said:

I did some thinking and now think the 4070 is a better choice for me.

And it seems op does

 

6 minutes ago, GamingKlex said:

chose this one: 1000W be quit! Pure Power 12 M Modular 80+ Gold

You don’t strictly need a 1000w and an 850 will be fine for a 4070 and upgrades down the line 

[dverdier]

6 minutes ago, GamingKlex said:

So first of all, I appreciate the feedback and suggestions.

Do you have a partspicker list or similar? I'm curious to see the whole system.

[GamingKlex]

18 hours ago, filpo said:

You don’t strictly need a 1000w and an 850 will be fine for a 4070 and upgrades down the line 

The price difference between 850 and 1000 was not so big. I chose the 1000W version so I don't need to worry about it.

 

18 hours ago, dverdier said:

Do you have a partspicker list or similar? I'm curious to see the whole system.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€304.16 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€41.00) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€189.00) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  (€119.98 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€114.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (€646.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: NZXT H7 Flow RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€147.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€152.71 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1716.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-28 11:05 CEST+0200

[Why_Me]

https://geizhals.de/    <--- check this site for better prices on PC components.

 

The 120mm fan goes inside the back of that case for a rear exhaust fan.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  (€304.16 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  (€61.98 @ Alternate) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€154.61 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  (€104.90 @ Alza) 
Storage: *Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€99.90 @ Alternate) 
Video Card: *Asus DUAL GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (€636.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€67.90 @ Alza) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€111.22 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€4.45 @ Aquatuning) 
Total: €1546.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-28 11:41 CEST+0200

 

A better look at those components.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI  

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/134591/intel-core-i712700-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html  

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/GAMMAXX-AG620-Dual-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/15900.shtml  

 

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/black-tg-clear-tint/  

 

[dverdier]

3 hours ago, GamingKlex said:

The price difference between 850 and 1000 was not so big. I chose the 1000W version so I don't need to worry about it.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

That should last you a good while. I blew my budget when I built mine too. By a long shot and wish I had blown it more and bought the PNY 4090 oc. I also wish I had done air cooling or was smart enough to set it up where my rad was the exhaust. Right now under load the rad is my supply and it blows hot air in the case. I could flip it but I cut all the daisy chain wires off the rgb stuf and made everything custom length by cutting and using heat shrink. With the amount of rgb I have there was just way too much clutter. To move my fans around now would be a total pain in the ass. My temps are ok but they could be better. That first case you had was a few dollars more but I stand by that one. I loved building in it. Word of advise. Don't cut any wires until you're up and running for a while and know for sure its set up exactly the way you want it. I hope you enjoy it!