RAM too old?

[ValentDs]

i've a new build except ram. could be my VRAM isn't enough (12gb) and even if games consume like 6gb vram, i still need good RAM on pc? my old ram can't even go XMP without crashing for some reason, maybe 2400mhz is too slow for load textures nowadays

[BiotechBen]

2 minutes ago, ValentDs said:

i've a new build except ram. could be my VRAM isn't enough (12gb) and even if games consume like 6gb vram, i still need good RAM on pc? my old ram can't even go XMP without crashing for some reason, maybe 2400mhz is too slow for load textures nowadays

What are the specs of your system?

[Dedayog]

6 minutes ago, ValentDs said:

i've a new build except ram. could be my VRAM isn't enough (12gb) and even if games consume like 6gb vram, i still need good RAM on pc? my old ram can't even go XMP without crashing for some reason, maybe 2400mhz is too slow for load textures nowadays

2400MHz RAM is fine for textures, please don't tell me someone told you that or you "read it somewhere".

 

 

[Supersonicwolfe]

17 minutes ago, ValentDs said:

i've a new build except ram. could be my VRAM isn't enough (12gb) and even if games consume like 6gb vram, i still need good RAM on pc? my old ram can't even go XMP without crashing for some reason, maybe 2400mhz is too slow for load textures nowadays

12GB VRAM is more than enough for most games today.

 

On the other hand if you are using a Ryzen system, they really like fast RAM (3200+ AM4, 5800~6200 for AM5), can give you 5% performance gain just because of that.

[ValentDs]

20 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

2400MHz RAM is fine for textures, please don't tell me someone told you that or you "read it somewhere".

 

 

no, actually i read that quantity of GB on regular RAM is usually better than Mhz, but really can't see the problem

i've a 4070ti and i5 13600kf, new mother board new PSU, ram is the only older piece, but i have this in a lot of games, even the games i had no problem with my older 1060 

[BadBadali]

You do not need to upgrade your ram. 12gb of Vram should be fine. Also,  if you are talking about DDR3 or DDR4 2400mhz should be fine for gaming.

[ValentDs]

Just now, BadBadali said:

You do not need to upgrade your ram. 12gb of Vram should be fine. Also,  if you are talking about DDR3 or DDR4 2400mhz should be fine for gaming.

ddr4, 2 corsair 8 gb (slot 2 and 4) 2 kingston 8 gb (1 and 3)

[BadBadali]

9 minutes ago, ValentDs said:

ddr4, 2 corsair 8 gb (slot 2 and 4) 2 kingston 8 gb (1 and 3)

So you are running 4 sticks of ram likely with different Case Latency timings?

[ValentDs]

4 minutes ago, BadBadali said:

So you are running 4 sticks of ram likely with different Case Latency timings?

not sure about it actually, the speeds are = but where can i see the latency timings? can i change those? (bios i think?)

[Slayer3032]

28 minutes ago, ValentDs said:

no, actually i read that quantity of GB on regular RAM is usually better than Mhz, but really can't see the problem

i've a 4070ti and i5 13600kf, new mother board new PSU, ram is the only older piece, but i have this in a lot of games, even the games i had no problem with my older 1060 

 

That's a feature of the game you are playing and has nothing to do with your hardware.

 

If you can control view culling and pop-in in whichever game that is it'll likely be found under a view distance or model detail slider, otherwise it might be tied to a low/medium/high that's model or detail related.

[jaslion]

37 minutes ago, ValentDs said:

no, actually i read that quantity of GB on regular RAM is usually better than Mhz, but really can't see the problem

i've a 4070ti and i5 13600kf, new mother board new PSU, ram is the only older piece, but i have this in a lot of games, even the games i had no problem with my older 1060 

This is pop in and a thing from the game. Most likely with the gpu upgrade some settings have been reset.

 

As for all the stuff you are saying.

 

12gb of vram is fine for 1440p gaming today and will be fine for a good while. 4k will hit the cap with high textures.

 

Your ram config is 3 sticks in 2400mhz mode?

 

Yeah you are losing performance there since it's at 2400mhz about 10-15% compared to a 3200mhz cl16 kit. But nothing to really worry about as long as you are happy with the performance. Also if the gpu is at 100% already in games better ram will do literally fuckall :p.

[ValentDs]

22 minutes ago, Nitro TNT said:

Using mismatched RAM can cause system instability different timing etc, that's why they are sold as Matching kits. Whether 2 sticks or 4 they should all be the exact same for best stability and performance...

 

Also if non of them RAM kits are not on the MB's QVL list its pot luck if they work without issues. I had some Corsair LPX 2666 on my ASUS B-550 that was not on the QVL list and it was unstable as hell, constant crashes and Blue screens with or without DOCP enabled.

 

Even changing the timings to match might not work as one RAM kit might not be stable at the same timings as the other kit an vice versa.

 

Remove either the 2 sticks of Corsair or Kingston and see if the problem persists, then do the same with the RAM you removed making sure to use A2 and B2 RAM slots for best stability.

i've already those 2 different slots correctly (2nd and 4th slot), but yeah, every change to the ram (even a little more voltage) crash the system, maybe i should upgrade to 2x16gb ram on A2 B2. i can't deactivate ram from bios, right? need to detatch physically (need to remove my cooler then, it's in the middle)

[BadBadali]

Here is what I recommend. Purchase a brand new kit of DDR4 ram 32gb. Only use 2 slots to allow the ram to be in dual channel mode. You are losing performance by having all 4 slots taken and by mismatching kits. 3200mhz is the sweet spot for DDR4, I have linked a cheap kit below.

 

32gb of DDR4: Check your motherboards compatibility list before purchasing.

 

Only thing you would have to do when you purchase the kit is enable XMP in the bios.

[ValentDs]

so this one (i'm on europe)
https://www.amazon.it/G-Skill-Ripjaws-32GB-3200MHz-memoria/dp/B0171GQR0C/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_it_IT=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=BFLL4TJLZZ5H&keywords=G.Skill+Ripjaws+V+32+GB+(2+x+16+GB)+DDR4-3200+CL16+Memory&qid=1689717204&sprefix=g.skill+ripjaws+v+32+gb+2+x+16+gb+ddr4-3200+cl16+memory%2Caps%2C187&sr=8-2
XMP right now fails, i guess is due to the ram installed. the only fear i have i've a noctua d15 over ram, if the ram stick is too big maybe could have problems

[Mark Kaine]

just buy new ram its that simple 

ur ram isnt old its mismatched thats the problem 

 

don't forget to mark this answer as the solution thank you and welcome 

[ValentDs]

2 hours ago, Nitro TNT said:

Makes no difference if it's 2 slots used or 4 slots > A [A1+A2] = Channel 1 or A ..... B  [B1+B2] = Channel 2 or B.. A + B are the Channels which is why with 2 RAM DIMMs one in each [A+B > 1 or 2, normally 2 of each channel] enable's Dual Channel.. both in the same, such as A1+A2 is single channel.

 

Only using 2 Slots is best practise for stability or RAM, especially for Overclocking which is why you see EVGA DARK and Kingpin Extreme overlocking motherboards only have 2 DIMM slots and these are labelled A1 and B1.

 

We use the slots furthest away from the CPU socket with 2 DIMMs > A2 + B2 is again for stability and to prevent signal being bounced back to the CPU socket and other forms of interference and other things. You could still use A1 + B1 and it would still be in Dual Channel. There have been some motherboards in the past where this has been different.

 

Yes you would have to physically remove 2 of the DIMMs. I would do this until you get a new RAM kit, if 16GB of RAM is not enough for you, to keep your PC as stable as possible.. but make sure the RAM you buy is on the QVL list for your motherboard before you buy. You can find this on the Motherboards Support Page.

so not only frames, but textures too could be a problem with ram stability. guess i'll buy 2x16 gb ram then, but i'm not good on reapply thermal paste, i need to take my pc to a shop when i've time

[BadBadali]

7 hours ago, Nitro TNT said:

Makes no difference if it's 2 slots used or 4 slots > A [A1+A2] = Channel 1 or A ..... B  [B1+B2] = Channel 2 or B.. A + B are the Channels which is why with 2 RAM DIMMs one in each [A+B > 1 or 2, normally 2 of each channel] enable's Dual Channel.. both in the same, such as A1+A2 is single channel.

 

Only using 2 Slots is best practise for stability or RAM, especially for Overclocking which is why you see EVGA DARK and Kingpin Extreme overlocking motherboards only have 2 DIMM slots and these are labelled A1 and B1.

 

We use the slots furthest away from the CPU socket with 2 DIMMs > A2 + B2 is again for stability and to prevent signal being bounced back to the CPU socket and other forms of interference and other things. You could still use A1 + B1 and it would still be in Dual Channel. There have been some motherboards in the past where this has been different.

 

Yes you would have to physically remove 2 of the DIMMs. I would do this until you get a new RAM kit, if 16GB of RAM is not enough for you, to keep your PC as stable as possible.. but make sure the RAM you buy is on the QVL list for your motherboard before you buy. You can find this on the Motherboards Support Page.

A long time ago if you were using 4 sticks of ram it was single channel. Now a days you can operate in with 4 sticks in dual channel. It would be better for him to consolidate into 2 sticks while getting the same amount of ram capacity. I say this so that he could upgrade to 64gb down the road if needed.

[ValentDs]

5 hours ago, BadBadali said:

A long time ago if you were using 4 sticks of ram it was single channel. Now a days you can operate in with 4 sticks in dual channel. It would be better for him to consolidate into 2 sticks while getting the same amount of ram capacity. I say this so that he could upgrade to 64gb down the road if needed.

so i'm running on double dual now, but 2x16gb would be still better without incompatibility issues. not sure my overall pc problems are due to this, i need to take pc to shop because cooler is in the way

[ValentDs]

also, msi pro b660a is a daisy chain?

[ValentDs]

On 7/18/2023 at 11:50 PM, BadBadali said:

Here is what I recommend. Purchase a brand new kit of DDR4 ram 32gb. Only use 2 slots to allow the ram to be in dual channel mode. You are losing performance by having all 4 slots taken and by mismatching kits. 3200mhz is the sweet spot for DDR4, I have linked a cheap kit below.

 

32gb of DDR4: Check your motherboards compatibility list before purchasing.

 

Only thing you would have to do when you purchase the kit is enable XMP in the bios.

sorry to bother you days later. the shop proposed me a kingston fury same ram/speeds without rgb, it's still good?

[BadBadali]

16 hours ago, ValentDs said:

sorry to bother you days later. the shop proposed me a kingston fury same ram/speeds without rgb, it's still good?

3200mhz with cas latency of 14 is what you are looking for.

[ValentDs]

6 hours ago, BadBadali said:

3200mhz with cas latency of 14 is what you are looking for.

with XMP now it's 3200mhz cas latency 16, i guess it's not bad. now i can access on bios and XMP work, but seems the video problems are due to the 4070ti, i can use it as it is or change it back. done benchmarks and seems good, i'll post there

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/63018218

[ValentDs]

forget userbenchmark, https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/97615579