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6 minutes ago, KenCat said:

I think should it come to it, as I may move country too, the case and/or PSU will have to be sold off as part of the move so the form factor isn't too important as much. But if it is still possible to get it small that would be a bonus now.

If we can convince you to go microATX instead of MiniITX, I stand by this as the best build for under your £600 budget, that has currently been suggested. (as before, you could spend remaining budget on better mb or PSU).

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/crb4H2

If you can increase the budget, then the PSU and CPU suggestions made by @SorryClaire are worth considering.

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Budget (including currency): No more than £600

Country: U.K.

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: League of Legends, Minecraft, Genshin Impact, Overwatch, FFmpeg (burning subtitles on videos)

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VGzmXy
 

Hi it’s been awhile since I’ve gotten “back” into the gaming scene. I’ve done what I can to compare GPUs but it’s definitely gone over my head. I just wanted a quick look whether this is good enough for 1080p 60 FPS maybe at High/Max settings (though I’m not too fussed either way on how it looks). The display I use is 1080p and its refresh rate is at 60hz. I don’t need any other peripherals, and this is just a first build here in the U.K. I hope to buy something in the next month, but I’m also not sure if now is a good time to buy, if we are in between product cycles or something. I am a little pressed for time as it depends on whether I can get the used GPUs I’m looking at the moment, RTX 2060, RX 5600 XT, RX 6600. They are roundabout hovering at £150-200 used at the moment for me, which I think is a good value or if they’re not could you recommend something in line at the price point? I am not looking to play AAA games, just the ones I listed.

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@KenCatI'd go AMD 5000 instead of Intel 12th/13th at this price point. Something like this:

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/crb4H2

With this you get 6 cores instead of 8, dual channel memory instead of single, 1TB instead of 500GB, and a new 6600 instead of used.

You might want to spend a little more than I have on MB but depends on what you need, let me know if there are features you want missing.

I'd also avoid the mini ITX case even if it is cheap, cause mini ITX boards are expensive and you really should try to put every penny into performance at this price point.

I have had to comprimise on PSU as well, 650W would be preferable for upgradability, but there is a little room left in the budget (I'd also prefer to go modular myself but at this price point, I don't think it's worth it).

You'll need to contact the motherboard seller and ask them to update the bios before shipping it.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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@will0hlepThanks for the quick reply! My expectations are quite low as I have toned down gaming for awhile now. So I don't imagine to upgrade for a good little while, but would it be the GPU or the whole CPU/RAM/MOBO that I would expect to upgrade should I think about it? I'm thinking only really to have about 5 years or so on this machine.

 

I think the motherboard is fine. (I'm not sure what I would want out of it though in the first place)

 

On the subject of the mini-ITX form factor I've chosen, I frequently move address with my current living situation, so I wanted to find something small and easier to move. I thought about it as I had a person I was living with that had a bigger tower and was having issues with moving it around and praying to have it in one piece on the other end of the move.

 

I've taken your other recommendations on board though so thanks for that too!

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24 minutes ago, KenCat said:

On the subject of the mini-ITX form factor I've chosen, I frequently move address with my current living situation, so I wanted to find something small and easier to move. I thought about it as I had a person I was living with that had a bigger tower and was having issues with moving it around and praying to have it in one piece on the other end of the move.

Well, the H15 has roughly the same weight and is not much larger in terms of volume, it's just better arranged. Plus, I know from experiance that standard cases are easier to carry than cube cases (where all the weight is on one side). Add onto that the likely saving on the motherboard and I really think the H15 would be the better choice, even if you had to move it alot.

 

24 minutes ago, KenCat said:

My expectations are quite low as I have toned down gaming for awhile now. So I don't imagine to upgrade for a good little while, but would it be the GPU or the whole CPU/RAM/MOBO that I would expect to upgrade should I think about it? I'm thinking only really to have about 5 years or so on this machine.

It should last a few years without any need to upgrade, you may need to get more RAM a little down the line.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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29 minutes ago, KenCat said:

@will0hlepThanks for the quick reply! My expectations are quite low as I have toned down gaming for awhile now. So I don't imagine to upgrade for a good little while, but would it be the GPU or the whole CPU/RAM/MOBO that I would expect to upgrade should I think about it? I'm thinking only really to have about 5 years or so on this machine.

 

I think the motherboard is fine. (I'm not sure what I would want out of it though in the first place)

 

On the subject of the mini-ITX form factor I've chosen, I frequently move address with my current living situation, so I wanted to find something small and easier to move. I thought about it as I had a person I was living with that had a bigger tower and was having issues with moving it around and praying to have it in one piece on the other end of the move.

 

I've taken your other recommendations on board though so thanks for that too!

Hello. I have been building PCs for 30 years so I think I can help you. I see your need for a really small PC, just about as small as possible. Well I have got a PC build list for you that I think you can live with. The Case I have picked is the Fractal Design Pop Air Mini, it's just a bit bigger than a ITX Case and will allow the use of a MicroATX Motherboard. I can tell you from experience that building a ITX system is really hard if you are not use to it. I still struggle to to this day with them. So I opted for MicroATX which will be much easier and still highly portable if need be.

 

If you have any questions please ask.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KKfKzf

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£108.70 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte A520M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£67.23 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£37.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£28.48 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (£225.59 @ Newegg UK)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£89.95 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 10 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£49.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £606.94

I have been building PCs for over 30 years so if you have any questions please ask. For Future Communication I use Discord for much Faster Response Times as I have it open 24/7. I am also available if you need help before, during, or after the Build Process on Discord through Text,Voice, or Video Chat. I can be with you while you build your new PC if you need me to be. Here is my Discord: Wizardsnapper#2772

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

Hello. I have been building PCs for 30 years so I think I can help you. I see your need for a really small PC, just about as small as possible. Well I have got a PC build list for you that I think you can live with. The Case I have picked is the Fractal Design Pop Air Mini, it's just a bit bigger than a ITX Case and will allow the use of a MicroATX Motherboard. I can tell you from experience that building a ITX system is really hard if you are not use to it. I still struggle to to this day with them. So I opted for MicroATX which will be much easier and still highly portable if need be.

 

If you have any questions please ask.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KKfKzf

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£108.70 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte A520M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£67.23 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£37.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£28.48 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (£225.59 @ Newegg UK)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£89.95 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 10 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£49.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £606.94

That case is larger than the H15 i'm suggesting, the CPU has 2 less cores, is an extra generation older and is worse than the 12100 the OP orginally selected, the PSU has an even lower output and it's back down to only 500GB.

I don't see how your justifying this system.

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Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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11 minutes ago, Bob__ said:

This is what I came up with but its a little more than the budget you gave https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vWNJJM

This is better, but I think you could cut the Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory back down to 2x8GB to get it in budget.

 

Also, it's still only quad core vs the 6 cores you'd get with an AMD 5500. (and the build is way more expensive)

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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1 hour ago, KenCat said:

They are roundabout hovering at £150-200 used at the moment for me, which I think is a good value

Id try to hone that 5600XT to a 5700XT on ebay, they exists at that price range too on bids. But beyond that, also shop for the OC job 6650XT alongside the 6600XT, GTX 1660 Super, and GTX 1080Ti.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  (£129.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B450M-PLUS II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£98.50 @ NeoComputers) 
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£39.49 @ Ebuyer) 
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£79.56 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Montech AIR 100 LITE MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£36.94 @ Box Limited) 
Power Supply: Gigabyte AORUS P GM 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£94.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Custom: The CeX-Ebay Special (RX 5700XT, 6600XT, 6650XT, GTX 1660 Super, GTX 1660Ti, RTX 2060, GTX 1080Ti) (£200.00)
Total: £678.48
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8 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

Hello. I have been building PCs for 30 years so I think I can help you. I see your need for a really small PC, just about as small as possible. Well I have got a PC build list for you that I think you can live with. The Case I have picked is the Fractal Design Pop Air Mini, it's just a bit bigger than a ITX Case and will allow the use of a MicroATX Motherboard. I can tell you from experience that building a ITX system is really hard if you are not use to it. I still struggle to to this day with them. So I opted for MicroATX which will be much easier and still highly portable if need be.

 

If you have any questions please ask.

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KKfKzf

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£108.70 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte A520M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£67.23 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  (£37.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Kingston NV2 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£28.48 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card  (£225.59 @ Newegg UK)
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (£89.95 @ AWD-IT)
Power Supply: be quiet! System Power 10 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£49.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £606.94

The 3100 is a really bad choice, a new 5500 costs less and will trounce it...

With that changed rest is nice ! 

AMD R9  7950X3D CPU/ Asus ROG STRIX X670E-E board/ 2x32GB G-Skill Trident Z Neo 6000CL30 RAM / ASUS TUF Gaming AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX OC Edition GPU/ Phanteks P600S case /  Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 ARGB cooler/  2TB WD SN850 NVme + 2TB Crucial T500  NVme  + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD / Corsair RM850x PSU/ Alienware AW3420DW 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p monitor / ASUS ROG AZOTH keyboard/ Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse / Audeze Maxwell headphones

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3 minutes ago, KenCat said:

I was wondering as well in terms of New vs Used GPUs. I was looking at a RX 5700 XT that was used and comes out to about £180. Would I be better off with the new 6600? Or is it just for peace of mind kind of purchase buying new.

5700 will get better performance but limited Vram means it might be out of date much faster.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

Common build advice:

1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

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I think should it come to it, as I may move country too, the case and/or PSU will have to be sold off as part of the move so the form factor isn't too important as much. But if it is still possible to get it small that would be a bonus now.

 

So I might just shop around for any old used case really with the idea it won't be following me when the time comes.

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6 minutes ago, KenCat said:

I think should it come to it, as I may move country too, the case and/or PSU will have to be sold off as part of the move so the form factor isn't too important as much. But if it is still possible to get it small that would be a bonus now.

If we can convince you to go microATX instead of MiniITX, I stand by this as the best build for under your £600 budget, that has currently been suggested. (as before, you could spend remaining budget on better mb or PSU).

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/crb4H2

If you can increase the budget, then the PSU and CPU suggestions made by @SorryClaire are worth considering.

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https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

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1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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I was wondering as well in terms of New vs Used GPUs. I was looking at a RX 5700 XT that was used and comes out to about £180. Would I be better off with the new 6600? Or is it just for peace of mind kind of purchase buying new.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/seomen/saved/2YmFP6 dual channel ram, 1 tb of storage, and only 11 gbp over price. the gpu is also better.

you dont need an aio for anything but i9 cpus or heavy oc jobs just get an nh-d15 or peerless assassin

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12 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

The 3100 is a really bad choice, a new 5500 costs less and will trounce it...

With that changed rest is nice ! 

Yes but the 5500 is only PCIe Gen3, the 3100 is Gen4. This is why I chose it for this very reason. Yes the 5500 is better in terms of performance but the OP is just gaming and the 3100 will do just fine.

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1 minute ago, PC HEROES said:

Yes but the 5500 is only PCIe Gen3

Doesnt matter for gamers, in every way you slice it. 

 

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3 minutes ago, McrP87 said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/seomen/saved/2YmFP6 dual channel ram, 1 tb of storage, and only 11 gbp over price. the gpu is also better.

a 1660 super is not better than a RX 6600.

 

3 minutes ago, PC HEROES said:

Yes but the 5500 is only PCIe Gen3, the 3100 is Gen4. This is why I chose it for this very reason. Yes the 5500 is better in terms of performance but the OP is just gaming and the 3100 will do just fine.

PCIe gen 4 is not more important than the performance lost by losing 2 cores. Games are moving to multi core. Almost nothing at this tier is really bottlenecked by PCIe gen 3 anyway.

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https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

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1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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6 minutes ago, McrP87 said:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/seomen/saved/2YmFP6 dual channel ram, 1 tb of storage, and only 11 gbp over price. the gpu is also better.

a 1660 super is not better than a RX 6600.

k

you dont need an aio for anything but i9 cpus or heavy oc jobs just get an nh-d15 or peerless assassin

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i am 14 so i may be wrong sometimes

 

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here op https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/seomen/saved/2YmFP6

you dont need an aio for anything but i9 cpus or heavy oc jobs just get an nh-d15 or peerless assassin

MARK THE SOLUTION AS SOLUTION

 

 

i am 14 so i may be wrong sometimes

 

@Bob__ is a w

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, McrP87 said:

here op https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/seomen/saved/2YmFP6

better, but your over budget with a weaker CPU (than the 5500 or 5600 in other suggestions) and PSU.

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

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1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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16 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

If we can convince you to go microATX instead of MiniITX, I stand by this as the best build for under your £600 budget, that has currently been suggested. (as before, you could spend remaining budget on better mb or PSU).

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/crb4H2

If you can increase the budget, then the suggestions made by @SorryClaire are worth considering.

Sorry to be difficult, other than the additional price, which I might go for (it's looking to be about 30 more to go MiniITX rather than microATX) would I be losing anything? I don't plan to add any more expansion cards, such as sound card or networking card (I'm not sure if I'm missing anything else that people may add to their computer via PCI express lanes).

 

Would the build that @SorryClaire suggested have more of an upgrade path via GPU and CPU? Or is it just an overall upgrade as it is. Would it then be beneficial to look for a board that is B450 rather than A520 as that is what I noticed is different from both of your suggestions. From what I read quickly on the internet, it's difference is overclocking support, but I don't feel comfortable with overclocking. Would I get a whole lot more for the price, jumping up to the 5600 from your suggested 5500?

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Sorry to be difficult, other than the additional price, which I might go for (it's looking to be about 30 more to go MiniITX rather than microATX) would I be losing anything? I don't plan to add any more expansion cards, such as sound card or networking card (I'm not sure if I'm missing anything else that people may add to their computer via PCI express lanes).

You'd probably lose upgradabilty of the RAM or dual channel memory (if you only go for 1 stick to keep your options open), cause mini ITX boards typically only have 2 ram slots.

However, if you really want to go that way consider something like:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/yc3fXy
 

8 minutes ago, KenCat said:

Would the build that @SorryClaire suggested have more of an upgrade path via GPU and CPU? Or is it just an overall upgrade as it is. Would it then be beneficial to look for a board that is B450 rather than A520 as that is what I noticed is different from both of your suggestions. From what I read quickly on the internet, it's difference is overclocking support, but I don't feel comfortable with overclocking. Would I get a whole lot more for the price, jumping up to the 5600 from your suggested 5500?

It's just an overall upgrade at a slightly higher cost (apart from better PSU, which could make upgrading easier).

I might be experienced, but I'm human and I do make mistakes. Trust but Verify! I edit my messages after sending them alot, please refresh before posting your reply. Please try to be clear and specific, you'll get a better answer. Please remember to mark solutions once you have the information you need. Expand this signature for common PC building advice, a short bio and a list of my components.

 

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1) Buy the cheapest (well reviewed) motherboard that has the features you need. Paying more typically only gets you features you won’t use. 2) only get as much RAM as you need, getting more won’t (typically) make your PC faster. 3) While I recommend getting an NVMe drive, you don’t need to splurge for an expensive drive with DRam cache, DRamless drives are fine for gamers. 4) paying for looks is fine, just don’t break the bank. 5) Tower coolers are usually good enough, unless you go top tier Intel or plan on OCing. 6) OCing is a dead meme, you probably shouldn’t bother. 7) "Bottlenecks" rarely matter and "Future-proofing" is a myth. 8) AIOs don't noticeably improve performance past 240mm and don't improve at all past 360mm. 9) RTFM.

 

Useful Websites:

https://www.productchart.com - helps compare monitors, https://uk.pcpartpicker.com - makes designing a PC easier.

 

Bio:

He/Him - I'm a PhD student working in the fields of reinforcement learning and traffic control. PCs are one of my hobbies and I've built many PCs and performed upgrades on a few laptops (for myself, friends and family). My personal computers include 4 windows (10/11) machines and a TrueNAS server (and I'm looking to move to dual booting Linux Mint on my main machine in future). Aside from computers, I also dabble in modding/homebrew retro consoles, support Southampton FC, and enjoy Scuba Diving and Skiing.

Fun Facts

1) When I was 3 years old my favourite toy was a scientific calculator. 2) My father is a British Champion ploughman in the Vintage Hydraulic Class. 3) On Speedrun.com, I'm the world record holder for the Dream Bobsleigh event on Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games 2010.

 

My Favourite Games: World of Tanks, Runescape, Subnautica, Metroid (Fusion and Dread), Spyro: Year of the Dragon (Original and Reignited Trilogy), Crash Bash, Mario Kart Wii, Balatro

 

My Computers: Primary: My main gaming rig - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/NByp3C Second: Hosts Discord bots as well as a Minecraft and Ark server, and also serves as a reinforcement learning sand box - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/cc9K7P NAS: TrueNAS Scale NAS hosting SMB shares, DDNS updater, pi-hole, and a Jellyfin server - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/will0hlep/saved/m37w3C Foldatron: My folding@home and BOINC rig (partially donated to me by Folding Team Leader GOTSpectrum) - Mobile: Mini-ITX gaming rig for when I'm away from home -

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4 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

You'd probably lose upgradabilty of the RAM or dual channel memory, cause mini ITX boards typically only have 2 ram slots.

The ITX boards have enough RAM slots for dual channel exactly. 

But Mini ITX might hinder the GPU upgradeability. I mean in ITX cases not all GPUs fit.

Pax vobiscum

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