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Here is a person with an E5-1650 v4 that scored 1212 in Cinebench R15. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/3785043_12ax7_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1650_v4_1212_cb

 

It looks like he is using a lean version of Windows 7 with only the bare minimum of benchmark related apps installed. He probably does not have a GPU driver installed yet. People using HWBot tend to be serious overclockers that know how to get the most out of their hardware. There are lots of tricks like this available. Running Cinebench at Windows Realtime priority is a popular trick. Disabling some C states might be good for a few more Cinebench points. He is using Quad channel memory. His CPU-Z results show the timings and speed that his memory is running at. How does your memory compare? Are you using Dual Channel memory? Your Cinebench results are not a long ways away from one of the world's fastest E5-1650 v4 on HWBot.

 

3 hours ago, Blind X said:

however it is jumping up and high all the time

Background tasks that randomly spike CPU usage are the main reason why your CPU is not scoring better. That and the memory you are using.

 

Here is an example of my computer when it is idle with only Google Chrome open. Run a similar test on your computer with only ThrottleStop open. Your average C0% is much higher. Those wasted CPU cycles are the difference in performance.  

 

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP    VID   POWER
2023-03-01  12:17:00  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3508    2.0
2023-03-01  12:17:01  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3721    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:02  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3420    1.9
2023-03-01  12:17:03  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:04  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3418    2.2
2023-03-01  12:17:05  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3394    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:06  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:07  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3525    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:08  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3420    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:09  49.99    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3480    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:10  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3381    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:11  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3422    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:12  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3516    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:13  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3470    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:14  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3623    1.4
2023-03-01  12:17:15  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3463    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:16  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3573    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:17  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3470    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:18  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3500    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:19  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3411    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:20  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3619    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:21  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3623    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:22  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3718    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:23  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:24  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3501    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:25  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3389    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:26  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3466    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:27  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.8
2023-03-01  12:17:28  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:29  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3472    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:30  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3772    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:31  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3623    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:32  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3523    1.8
2023-03-01  12:17:33  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3414    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:34  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3422    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:35  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3418    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:36  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3523    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:37  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3473    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:38  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:39  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3419    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:40  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3414    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:41  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3418    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:42  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3464    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:43  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3472    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:44  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3419    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:45  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3395    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:46  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:47  50.00    0.3  100.0       0   29   1.3470    2.5
2023-03-01  12:17:48  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3461    2.1
2023-03-01  12:17:49  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3722    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:50  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   31   1.3690    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:51  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3676    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:52  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   31   1.3766    2.0

 

An E5-1650 v4 at default settings will always be faster than an E5-1650 v3 at the same default settings when everything else, including memory, is equal. It is impossible to make a fair comparison when the background tasks are not the same.  

 

An E5-1650 v4 is 4th Gen Broadwell technology. No point in making any comparisons to an 8th Gen 8700. 

 

Hi there!

 

Hope you all are doing well!

 

I have a Dell Precision Workstation 5810 with an Intel Xeon E5-1650 V4. The problem is that CPU draws only 72W from the wall as per Open Hardware Monitor under full load in Cinebench R15 (I know its the old one 😕 but I have tried R23 as well and it is not performing as it should). The CPU doesn't turbo pass its base clock speed i.e, 3.6GHz when its expected to draw 140W and clock somewhere near 4Ghz (I know it won't do full 4ghz at all cores) resulting in slower performance. And by slower I don't mean the system is slow or anything but in Benchmarks it performs similar to a 3rd Gen i7 3960X which is ridiculous for a Xeon 1650 V4.

I have enabled Intel Turbo-Boost and Hyper-threading Technology in BIOS, checked the temps and they are under control even with low fan speeds but I really tried 100% CPU speed and really made it a server like noisy machine. But no help. It just straight up doesn't go above 3591Mhz and draws 72.6-73W at max under full load.

 

I want to waive off this power limiter set from dell. I don't care the means even if there is no simple tweak present to do this. For additional info my PSU is also 685W Gold so its not the 480W some thing small one.

 

Looking for someone to help me with this. 

 

Thanks in Advance,

Regards.

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Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

Is your Windows power plan set to High Performance?

is set to Ultimate Performance!

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How are your temps?

 

Which power supply do you have?

 

Is that the processor that came in that machine? (You can put the service tag into Dell's support site to find out its factory configuration if you bought it used.)

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2 minutes ago, Blind X said:

is set to Ultimate Performance!

Is it a fresh Windows install, or is there any proprietary Dell software installed also?

 

Any power limiters of any kind in the BIOS that you can find?

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3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Is it a fresh Windows install, or is there any proprietary Dell software installed also?

 

Any power limiters of any kind in the BIOS that you can find?

The windows install is fresh. No dell softwares installed. Even those updates are in pending.

As of power limiter, I tried my best to look every part of the BIOS but couldn't find anything, yet I am not 100% confident that it could be done from BIOS or not.

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5 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

How are your temps?

 

Which power supply do you have?

 

Is that the processor that came in that machine? (You can put the service tag into Dell's support site to find out its factory configuration if you bought it used.)

temps around 70s under full load in back to back benchmarks when cpu fan speed is set to even 50-60%. power supply is original that comes with the workstation 5810 685w Gold rated 85% efficient.

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Just now, Blind X said:

temps around 70s under full load in back to back benchmarks when cpu fan speed is set to even 50-60%. power supply is original that comes with the workstation 5810 685w Gold rated 85% efficient.

 

6 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

How are your temps?

 

Which power supply do you have?

 

Is that the processor that came in that machine? (You can put the service tag into Dell's support site to find out its factory configuration if you bought it used.)

I went to dell support site and they didn't helped me with anything as they were saying the system is out of warranty. Also this cpu is not what this machine came with. I have upgraded the CPU. Don't remember what the previous one was but I don't think any CPU from the Xeon e5 1600 line-up draws anywhere near 70W.

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BTW huge appreciation for the quick replies everyone. As expected from LTT Forums like always. 🙂 

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9 minutes ago, TechlessBro said:

Was the new cpu listed on the supported CPU list or sold as an option.

those brands like HP and Dell lock the bios down or don’t support the higher bus speeds.

It says it supports upto 14 core E5 2600 and 1600 v3 line ups... but 14 cores... thats still way more power draw than in my case. Also if it supports 1650-1680 v3, they has the same bus speed and honestly my processor isn't event performing at the level of its predecessor 1650 v3.

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20 minutes ago, TechlessBro said:

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=y0g8j&oscode=naa&productcode=precision-t5810-workstation
 

lists cpu issues resolved 

 

BIOS version A11 and earlier releases are incompatible with Intel Xeon E5-16xx and 26xx-v4 CPUs (Broadwell). It is recommended that you downgrade BIOS to version A11 before downgrading from version A12 and later. This process is due to some significant changes required to enable v4 (Broadwell) CPUs. Also, along with that it enables Xeon E5-16XX and 26XX v3 (Haswell) CPUs and v4 (Broadwell) CPUs BIOS to stay in one BIOS stream. All versions of the Broadwell CPU enabled BIOS (A12+) understand how to migrate the Haswell settings. There are no upgrade restrictions.

Updated the BIOS from version A28 to A34. Checked the BIOS for any additional options but found none. Same result still. Locked at 3591.8MHz at 72W. Scores below i7 3730K 😕

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3 minutes ago, TechlessBro said:

What does cpu ID as under windows?
Is it a sample or special OEM version?

 

Pretty sure its not that.. I think its just a cpu tdp limit set by dell 😕

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2 minutes ago, TechlessBro said:

Well they do be doing that sneaky sneaky stuff sometimes so you have to buy the next model up.

 

Have you got all the drivers installed, maybe the bios wants driver to signal before it allows boost.

 

do you have all the fans connected and healthy

does it have iDRAC management etc, you could check if that is happy

 

Just Installed all the drivers with thi BIOS. No use still. I am pretty sure its locked by dell. I just want to know how to overwrite it and force enable full cpu utilization, if thats possible ofcourse. 

 

The fans seemed to be okay, don't know about the iDRAC

 

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2 hours ago, Blind X said:

cpu tdp limit

Try running ThrottleStop.

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Post some screenshots of the main window, the FIVR and TPL windows so I can see how your CPU was setup by the BIOS. It is not unusual for Dell to set a restrictive power or current limit. Also post a screenshot of the Limit Reasons window while your CPU is fully loaded running Cinebench R23. It might show the reason for throttling. 

 

Maybe there is something that ThrottleStop can adjust to help the cause. 

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21 hours ago, TechlessBro said:

iDrac is the onboard monitor computer mainly in servers. It would have network port of it own on the back. Still part of motherboard itself.

 

The bios may have signature check so editing on brands like dell no could be no go.

No extra Network port on the motherboard I/O except the standard RJ45. Looked out for iDRAC in BIOS but couldn't find nothing.

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19 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Try running ThrottleStop.

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Post some screenshots of the main window, the FIVR and TPL windows so I can see how your CPU was setup by the BIOS. It is not unusual for Dell to set a restrictive power or current limit. Also post a screenshot of the Limit Reasons window while your CPU is fully loaded running Cinebench R23. It might show the reason for throttling. 

 

Maybe there is something that ThrottleStop can adjust to help the cause. 

 

throttlestop_fivr.jpg

throttlestop_main.jpg

throttlestop_tpl.jpg

cinebench15_score.jpg

cpu_tdp_under_load.jpg

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Here are the screenshots of what you have asked. I have no info about this software so I didn't messed around

19 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Try running ThrottleStop.

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/

 

Post some screenshots of the main window, the FIVR and TPL windows so I can see how your CPU was setup by the BIOS. It is not unusual for Dell to set a restrictive power or current limit. Also post a screenshot of the Limit Reasons window while your CPU is fully loaded running Cinebench R23. It might show the reason for throttling. 

 

Maybe there is something that ThrottleStop can adjust to help the cause. 

Here are the screenshots you asked for. I have no information regarding this software and it should a warning message of some king when executing the file so I didn't messed around with any setting.

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On 2/26/2023 at 7:03 PM, Blind X said:

doesn't turbo past its base clock speed

Have a look at the main ThrottleStop window. Disable Turbo is checked. That is why your CPU is being limited to its 3.6 GHz base frequency. 

 

Try clearing the Disable Turbo box. Check the Set Multiplier box and increase that to the max which should be 40 T. That tells the CPU that it is OK to use full Intel Turbo Boost. Press the Turn On button so this information is sent to the CPU. You should not see the word Monitoring in the title bar when using ThrottleStop on your CPU.

 

Edit - The first time you run ThrottleStop, it reads all of its various settings directly from the CPU. Whatever settings the BIOS has set the CPU to is what ThrottleStop will show. If Disable Turbo was originally checked in ThrottleStop, it is likely the BIOS or a setting in the BIOS that disabled turbo boost. Check the BIOS to see if Intel Turbo Boost is enabled or not. It should be enabled.    

 

Run Cinebench R23 with ThrottleStop open. Press the Limits button to open up the Limit Reasons window. Take a screenshot while the CPU is loaded. Limit Reasons will report any reasons for throttling. Hopefully turbo boost is working. You might still have a power limit throttling problem. The turbo power limits are not locked so that is a good sign if you need to increase them. A screenshot of ThrottleStop with Limit Reasons open will show what else needs to be tweaked. 

 

Your CPU does not support any overclocking. The maximum all core turbo multiplier during a stress test is 38

 

On 2/26/2023 at 7:03 PM, Blind X said:

when its expected to draw 140W

This CPU will not draw anywhere close to 140W. That power number is a maximum. It might apply to other CPUs in this CPU family but your CPU when running at its full rated speed should draw a lot less than that. As long as your CPU runs at full speed, power consumption is not important. Less power consumption is a good thing, not a bad thing. 

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9 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Have a look at the main ThrottleStop window. Disable Turbo is checked. That is why your CPU is being limited to its 3.6 GHz base frequency. 

 

Try clearing the Disable Turbo box. Check the Set Multiplier box and increase that to the max which should be 40 T. That tells the CPU that it is OK to use full Intel Turbo Boost. Press the Turn On button so this information is sent to the CPU. You should not see the word Monitoring in the title bar when using ThrottleStop on your CPU.

 

Edit - The first time you run ThrottleStop, it reads all of its various settings directly from the CPU. Whatever settings the BIOS has set the CPU to is what ThrottleStop will show. If Disable Turbo was originally checked in ThrottleStop, it is likely the BIOS or a setting in the BIOS that disabled turbo boost. Check the BIOS to see if Intel Turbo Boost is enabled or not. It should be enabled.    

 

Run Cinebench R23 with ThrottleStop open. Press the Limits button to open up the Limit Reasons window. Take a screenshot while the CPU is loaded. Limit Reasons will report any reasons for throttling. Hopefully turbo boost is working. You might still have a power limit throttling problem. The turbo power limits are not locked so that is a good sign if you need to increase them. A screenshot of ThrottleStop with Limit Reasons open will show what else needs to be tweaked. 

 

Your CPU does not support any overclocking. The maximum all core turbo multiplier during a stress test is 38

 

This CPU will not draw anywhere close to 140W. That power number is a maximum. It might apply to other CPUs in this CPU family but your CPU when running at its full rated speed should draw a lot less than that. As long as your CPU runs at full speed, power consumption is not important. Less power consumption is a good thing, not a bad thing. 

Tried all what you mentioned but it didn't worked (you can see the screenshot). I am pretty sure and have checked more than once that Intel Turbo Boost is enabled in BIOS so I have no idea why ThrottleStop shows that as disabled. 

 

Also I need to know if I somehow am able to tweak any setting with this software and unlock my CPU's full potential, is there a way to do it in BIOS or will I have to do it manually every time the system boots. 

I do know that less Wattage consumption is a good thing. The lesser the wattage the more efficient the chip is and the less heat it dissipates. But I wouldn't want it if it affects my CPU's performance which is why I though that the CPU isn't getting enough power to perform at its full potential.

 

 

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@Blind X

SpeedStep has to be enabled for the Set Multiplier feature to work. There should be a SpeedStep setting in the BIOS.

 

Not sure why disabling SpeedStep is so popular. It can prevent full speed when this is disabled. SpeedStep was not disabled in your original screenshot.

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15 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

@Blind X

SpeedStep has to be enabled for the Set Multiplier feature to work. There should be a SpeedStep setting in the BIOS.

 

Not sure why disabling SpeedStep is so popular. It can prevent full speed when this is disabled. SpeedStep was not disabled in your original screenshot.

Okay so I have disabled Speedstep in BIOS (because it said disabling it puts CPU in the highest performing state) but as I said just like Turbo Boost it shows SpeedStep also as enabled. Anyhow I did the benchmark with both SpeedStep disabled and enabled but only from the software ThrottleStop and not from the BIOS, in the BIOS its disabled from the start.

 

I have placed the screeshot of the second time where I ran it with SpeedStep disabled from the software.

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Ok so just enabled the SpeedStep from BIOS, did all those settings in ThrottleStop and ran the benchmarks again.. BOOM its now turboing to 3.8GHz on all cores like it should and the Cinebench R15 scores are better this time around, but not so much.

 

People have posted their videos running Cinebench R15 on a Xeon E3-1650 V3 while recording the screen and were able to get 1200 score (pic also attached). The score I got is 1170 on the next gen chip without screen recording and with the CPU turboing @3.8GHz. So why is my score low?

 

Secondly and an important thing to note, this time while running the benchmark, the TDP was 84W. Never saw it jumped above 72 before that.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Blind X said:

BOOM its now turboing to 3.8GHz on all cores like it should

Good to hear. 

 

1 hour ago, Blind X said:

Cinebench R15 scores are better this time around, but not so much.

Hope you were not expecting a massive increase in CPU performance. 

 

3.80 GHz / 3.60 GHz = +5.6%

 

That will get you a few more Cinebench points but a small difference like that will probably never be noticed in general use. 

 

People with good benchmark scores are good at finding and getting rid of useless background tasks. The C0% data on the main screen of ThrottleStop is the best indication of how much crap is running in the background on your computer. What does your computer show for average C0% when your computer is idle at the desktop with only ThrottleStop open? Your previous screenshot did not look good. 

 

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Compare that to my computer. 

 

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Using the Windows High Performance or Ultimate Performance power plan helps reduce the amount of time a CPU needs to spend in the C0 state processing background tasks. A fast CPU is a good thing. Open the Task Manger, go to the Details tab and click on the CPU heading to organize tasks by CPU usage. Getting rid of unnecessary tasks will make your computer faster. 

 

1 hour ago, Blind X said:

why is my score low?

Poor benchmark results are caused by computers that have not been optimized. My CPU needs to spend less than 0.1% of the time in the C0 state processing background tasks when my computer is idle. That leaves 99.9% of the CPU cycles available to run benchmarks.

 

When you run the TS Bench 1 Thread test, what CPU speed does ThrottleStop report? During this test you should definitely be seeing ThrottleStop report a speed higher than 3.80 GHz. Exit any other monitoring programs and exit the Task Manager when testing. If the CPU is not using full turbo boost, reboot, go into the BIOS and make sure the core C states are enabled. Disabling the C states is another often times recommended internet myth. Disabling the C states on a locked processor like you have will also disable maximum turbo boost. That makes your CPU run slower. It will prevent your CPU from ever being able to use the 40 multiplier when it is lightly loaded and only 1 or 2 cores are active. You can open the ThrottleStop C states window to confirm what C states your CPU is using when your computer is idle. 

 

1 hour ago, Blind X said:

because it said disabling it puts CPU in the highest performing state

You never need to disable SpeedStep to run an Intel CPU at full speed. Some internet myths have been repeated so many times that they will live on forever. 

 

1 hour ago, Blind X said:

the TDP was 84W

84W is the CPU power consumption. Your E5-1650 v4 has a TDP rating of 140W. The rated TDP value never changes.

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/92994/intel-xeon-processor-e51650-v4-15m-cache-3-60-ghz.html

 

If you run a stress test like Prime95 with the Small FFTs option selected, you should see a significant increase in power consumption and heat. Prime95 works the CPU much harder compared to Cinebench testing. 

 

Are you using two sticks of memory with the same size and speed ratings? Faster memory or dual channel vs single channel memory is another big reason why some computers with the same CPU can perform better or worse compared to others. 

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10 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Good to hear. 

 

Hope you were not expecting a massive increase in CPU performance. 

 

3.80 GHz / 3.60 GHz = +5.6%

 

That will get you a few more Cinebench points but a small difference like that will probably never be noticed in general use. 

I obviously was not expecting a massive jump in performance just by the CPU clocking 200mhz faster and yes it is not going to make any difference in real world workloads. You cannot notice fps jumping from 162 to 175 so yeah I already know even after all this I won't be able to tell if all these tweaks did made a difference. But the thing is that I spent extra for the 1650 V4 instead of the 1650 V3, but the CPU is performing in the neighbourhood of its predecessor, the 1650 V3, honestly even below that. I don't know if the CPU is slow per cycle or something like that because now its not the issue of clock speed as turbo boost also seems to work @3.8Ghz all core and @4Ghz single core so I don't know why would the score of a next gen CPU be lower than the previous gen.

I did disable all the Razer and Corsair softwares in the background and was able to get C0% much better than the previous screenshot.

 

 c0percent.jpg.7efab25360894820d69ef862e4a20cf5.jpg

 

Its not as good as yours I would say but thats with Google Chrome open and typing this thread so yeah I think its better now however it is jumping up and high all the time (this one is on the low-end).

 

10 hours ago, unclewebb said:

Poor benchmark results are caused by computers that have not been optimized. My CPU needs to spend less than 0.1% of the time in the C0 state processing background tasks when my computer is idle. That leaves 99.9% of the CPU cycles available to run benchmarks.

 

When you run the TS Bench 1 Thread test, what CPU speed does ThrottleStop report? During this test you should definitely be seeing ThrottleStop report a speed higher than 3.80 GHz. Exit any other monitoring programs and exit the Task Manager when testing. If the CPU is not using full turbo boost, reboot, go into the BIOS and make sure the core C states are enabled. Disabling the C states is another often times recommended internet myth. Disabling the C states on a locked processor like you have will also disable maximum turbo boost. That makes your CPU run slower. It will prevent your CPU from ever being able to use the 40 multiplier when it is lightly loaded and only 1 or 2 cores are active. You can open the ThrottleStop C states window to confirm what C states your CPU is using when your computer is idle. 

Checked the BIOS, the C states is enabled and as mentioned I tried the cinebench R15 single core test and ThrottleStop was reporting 4Ghz on 1 core so thats good I guess.

 

10 hours ago, unclewebb said:

84W is the CPU power consumption. Your E5-1650 v4 has a TDP rating of 140W. The rated TDP value never changes.

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/92994/intel-xeon-processor-e51650-v4-15m-cache-3-60-ghz.html

 

If you run a stress test like Prime95 with the Small FFTs option selected, you should see a significant increase in power consumption and heat. Prime95 works the CPU much harder compared to Cinebench testing. 

 

Are you using two sticks of memory with the same size and speed ratings? Faster memory or dual channel vs single channel memory is another big reason why some computers with the same CPU can perform better or worse compared to others. 

Tried Prime95 with Small FFTs selected. The power consumption was same, 84W. But the heat output was about 10 degree higher this time and the hottest core was sitting at 73 degrees. 

I am using quad channel Ram with 4 sticks of 4GB DDR4 ECC @2400mhz in all the 4 white slots of the motherboard (1st, 2nd, 3rd ,4th) a total of 16GB. 4 black slots are still free for room to upgrade so I don't think quad channel is the issue for lower scores.

 

One more thing I am happy about is now somehow the processor is turboing at 3.8GHz on all cores by default without opening ThrottleStop and pressing Turn On so thats a good thing. I guess enabling SpeedStep did this so ThankYou ❤️

I really appreciate your time @unclewebb. The way you described everything in detail helped me learn alot.

Finally I just want to know if this is all the power I should expect from my CPU, which if yes is honestly not an issue but its just that I know this thing can do better as before buying I checked the benchmarks and it should be at max 8-10% slow on all cores than i7 8700 which has an r15 score of 1400. That makes my score of 1170 17% slower while the 1650 v3 scores 1200 with screen capturing so in theory it should perform better without screen capture and my processor should perform even better which will therefore make it sit in the 8-10% slower range of an i7 8700. I don't know if that all makes sense, here is the link from where I got those benchmark results. 

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_xeon_e5_1650_v4-vs-intel_core_i7_8700

A lot of these benchmarks were not performed on the 1650 V4 which is why they are blank but those which were, in all cores they were 6-10% slower than i7 8700. I also tried Geekbench6 all core just about now and I managed a score of 5736 which is about 11.5% slower than 6412, the i7 8700's score so I think thats how it should be and may be the i7 performs better in some loads because it has iGPU so in terms of raw processing power I am probably doing fine. Just not sure.

 

Anyways its just diving in to deep when it all really doesn't matter in real world so I really appreciate your time once again and lets not prolong this any further so I guess your next reply will be the answer to this thread as my initial issue (cpu not turboing) is now resolved.

 

Thanks for the help.

Best Regards.

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Here is a person with an E5-1650 v4 that scored 1212 in Cinebench R15. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/3785043_12ax7_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1650_v4_1212_cb

 

It looks like he is using a lean version of Windows 7 with only the bare minimum of benchmark related apps installed. He probably does not have a GPU driver installed yet. People using HWBot tend to be serious overclockers that know how to get the most out of their hardware. There are lots of tricks like this available. Running Cinebench at Windows Realtime priority is a popular trick. Disabling some C states might be good for a few more Cinebench points. He is using Quad channel memory. His CPU-Z results show the timings and speed that his memory is running at. How does your memory compare? Are you using Dual Channel memory? Your Cinebench results are not a long ways away from one of the world's fastest E5-1650 v4 on HWBot.

 

3 hours ago, Blind X said:

however it is jumping up and high all the time

Background tasks that randomly spike CPU usage are the main reason why your CPU is not scoring better. That and the memory you are using.

 

Here is an example of my computer when it is idle with only Google Chrome open. Run a similar test on your computer with only ThrottleStop open. Your average C0% is much higher. Those wasted CPU cycles are the difference in performance.  

 

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP    VID   POWER
2023-03-01  12:17:00  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3508    2.0
2023-03-01  12:17:01  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3721    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:02  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3420    1.9
2023-03-01  12:17:03  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:04  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3418    2.2
2023-03-01  12:17:05  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3394    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:06  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:07  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3525    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:08  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3420    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:09  49.99    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3480    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:10  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3381    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:11  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3422    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:12  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3516    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:13  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3470    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:14  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3623    1.4
2023-03-01  12:17:15  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3463    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:16  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3573    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:17  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3470    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:18  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3500    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:19  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3411    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:20  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3619    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:21  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3623    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:22  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3718    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:23  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:24  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3501    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:25  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3389    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:26  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3466    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:27  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.8
2023-03-01  12:17:28  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:29  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3472    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:30  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3772    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:31  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3623    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:32  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3523    1.8
2023-03-01  12:17:33  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3414    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:34  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3422    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:35  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3418    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:36  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3523    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:37  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3473    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:38  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3521    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:39  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3419    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:40  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3414    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:41  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3418    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:42  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3464    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:43  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3472    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:44  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3419    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:45  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3395    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:46  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   29   1.3423    1.6
2023-03-01  12:17:47  50.00    0.3  100.0       0   29   1.3470    2.5
2023-03-01  12:17:48  50.00    0.2  100.0       0   29   1.3461    2.1
2023-03-01  12:17:49  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3722    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:50  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   31   1.3690    1.5
2023-03-01  12:17:51  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   30   1.3676    1.7
2023-03-01  12:17:52  50.00    0.1  100.0       0   31   1.3766    2.0

 

An E5-1650 v4 at default settings will always be faster than an E5-1650 v3 at the same default settings when everything else, including memory, is equal. It is impossible to make a fair comparison when the background tasks are not the same.  

 

An E5-1650 v4 is 4th Gen Broadwell technology. No point in making any comparisons to an 8th Gen 8700. 

 

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