Random Low FPS/Stutters - Fixed by rebooting

[miba92]

Hi guys,

I'm experiencing some issues with by newest build (March 2022), and I'm honestly not really sure how to continue debugging it, so I'm looking for some input on how to proceed or how to limit number of possible root causes.
 

My build:
CPU: Ryzen 5 5600X
MB: ROG Strix B550-E

GPU: ROG Strix RTX 3080 10GB

RAM: Corsair Vengeance PRO 2x16 GB DDR4-3600 CL18

PSU: Corsair RM1000x
Main SSD: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB

Monitors: 2x ASUS VG27A 1440p G-Sync, running in 165Hz-mode.

 

Windows 11 build 22621

Bios v. 2803, 28-04-2022

 

The issue:

I sometimes experience overall bad performance from my PC when gaming, mainly seen on FPS going from 120-200 range normally to 30-60 range when the issue is present. The video feed is also visibly less smooth with stutters etc.
I'm using World of Warcraft as the reference through out this description, but the issue is the same across all games I've tested, and has a similar %-wise impact on the FPS.

 

If i'm running a game on one screen and a Twitch stream/YouTube video on the other, both are clearly effected, and typically the stream/video can drop to what looks like 10-20 FPS.

 

To fix the issue - All I have to do it to reboot the system, and then everything is back at its normal/expected performance level.

 

I haven't found a way to replicate the issue yet, but it seems like it's more frequent if I've been browsing the web for a while, before I start gaming. I don't recall seeing the issue if I boot and launch a game directly. Overall, I think I'm seeing the issue 15-25% of the times I'm using my PC. I've never seen the issue carry when I've rebooted.

 

Troubleshooting so far:

Updating Windows, GPU-drivers, BIOS at various times since March 2022. Tried to set my monitors for 144Hz instead of the "overclocked" 165Hz. Running only 1 monitor. Using different ports on the GPU. Nothing has had any effect on the issue.

 

Attachments:

I've captured data from HW Monitor, CPU-Z and GPU-Z at both when everything was running OK and the same when the issue was present. (differentiated by the "Bad_" and "Good_" prefix.

 

Both are captured when playing World of Warcraft, at the exact same conditions internally in the game.

What I notice myself is there's quite a difference in GPU-load, but also for PerfCap Reason (Being "Idle" when performance is good, and "VRel" when its bad). I don't know what to take from this directly, but hoping for some advice here

I hope I've added enough information - If there's anything missing, please let me know and I provide it as quickly as I can!

 

Thanks in advance!

Bad_CPU-Z.html Bad_HWMonitor.txt Good_CPU-Z.html Good_HWMonitor.txt

[johnno23]

Sounds to me like background processess that just over time suck away at your ability to use the CPU's performance. 

A reboot solves the issue and then over time they slowly mount up and you are forced to rinse and repeat.

Just try some simple things as ensure the PC under settings in Windows has performance and gaming set to ON as even just a PC running in gaming mode is snappier as it reduces the number of background apps.

you could also just check that on boot any apps set to run are only the apps you actually need.

Quite safe to switch off a lot of items as if you launch an app that requires them then they only load into suystem at that point istead of hanging around just in case they are needed.

 

Also VRel was an indication of being unable to boost performance fiurther due to voltage limitation is a possible thing. at least that was the thoughts about it seversal years ago. not sure how relevant that is with todays hardware though. Basically without enough juice you could get instability issue so a limit is aplied is my understanding of the situation....just dont take my word for that though do a little more research..

[191x7]

1 hour ago, miba92 said:

Hi guys,

I'm experiencing some issues with by newest build (March 2022), and I'm honestly not really sure how to continue debugging it, so I'm looking for some input on how to proceed or how to limit number of possible root causes.
 

My build:
CPU: Ryzen 5 5600X
MB: ROG Strix B550-E

GPU: ROG Strix RTX 3080 10GB

RAM: Corsair Vengeance PRO 2x16 GB DDR4-3600 CL18

PSU: Corsair RM1000x
Main SSD: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500GB

Monitors: 2x ASUS VG27A 1440p G-Sync, running in 165Hz-mode.

 

Windows 11 build 22621

Bios v. 2803, 28-04-2022

 

The issue:

I sometimes experience overall bad performance from my PC when gaming, mainly seen on FPS going from 120-200 range normally to 30-60 range when the issue is present. The video feed is also visibly less smooth with stutters etc.
I'm using World of Warcraft as the reference through out this description, but the issue is the same across all games I've tested, and has a similar %-wise impact on the FPS.

 

If i'm running a game on one screen and a Twitch stream/YouTube video on the other, both are clearly effected, and typically the stream/video can drop to what looks like 10-20 FPS.

 

To fix the issue - All I have to do it to reboot the system, and then everything is back at its normal/expected performance level.

 

I haven't found a way to replicate the issue yet, but it seems like it's more frequent if I've been browsing the web for a while, before I start gaming. I don't recall seeing the issue if I boot and launch a game directly. Overall, I think I'm seeing the issue 15-25% of the times I'm using my PC. I've never seen the issue carry when I've rebooted.

 

Troubleshooting so far:

Updating Windows, GPU-drivers, BIOS at various times since March 2022. Tried to set my monitors for 144Hz instead of the "overclocked" 165Hz. Running only 1 monitor. Using different ports on the GPU. Nothing has had any effect on the issue.

 

Attachments:

I've captured data from HW Monitor, CPU-Z and GPU-Z at both when everything was running OK and the same when the issue was present. (differentiated by the "Bad_" and "Good_" prefix.

 

Both are captured when playing World of Warcraft, at the exact same conditions internally in the game.

What I notice myself is there's quite a difference in GPU-load, but also for PerfCap Reason (Being "Idle" when performance is good, and "VRel" when its bad). I don't know what to take from this directly, but hoping for some advice here

I hope I've added enough information - If there's anything missing, please let me know and I provide it as quickly as I can!

 

Thanks in advance!

Bad_CPU-Z.html 308.27 kB · 0 downloads Bad_HWMonitor.txt 106.21 kB · 0 downloads Good_CPU-Z.html 308.26 kB · 0 downloads Good_HWMonitor.txt 106.21 kB · 0 downloads

1st - there is a newer bios.

2nd - the latest chipset drivers downloaded from AMD?

3rd - latest vBios/firmware on the GPU?

4th - using Smart Access Memory / Resizable BAR?

5th - Tried disabling MultiPlane Overlay MPO?

[miba92]

1 hour ago, johnno23 said:

Sounds to me like background processess that just over time suck away at your ability to use the CPU's performance. 

A reboot solves the issue and then over time they slowly mount up and you are forced to rinse and repeat.

Just try some simple things as ensure the PC under settings in Windows has performance and gaming set to ON as even just a PC running in gaming mode is snappier as it reduces the number of background apps.

you could also just check that on boot any apps set to run are only the apps you actually need.

Quite safe to switch off a lot of items as if you launch an app that requires them then they only load into suystem at that point istead of hanging around just in case they are needed.

 

Also VRel was an indication of being unable to boost performance fiurther due to voltage limitation is a possible thing. at least that was the thoughts about it seversal years ago. not sure how relevant that is with todays hardware though. Basically without enough juice you could get instability issue so a limit is aplied is my understanding of the situation....just dont take my word for that though do a little more research..

I believe I'm pretty on top of the apps that run with Start-Up - monitoring that closely. I have settings for optimization of games enabled in Windows.

But I haven't compared running background processes, when I see the issue - I can pay a bit more attention to that the next time.

 

Thanks for the input!

 

1 hour ago, 191x7 said:

1st - there is a newer bios.

2nd - the latest chipset drivers downloaded from AMD?

3rd - latest vBios/firmware on the GPU?

4th - using Smart Access Memory / Resizable BAR?

5th - Tried disabling MultiPlane Overlay MPO?

 

1 - True! I've missed that. I've downloaded that and will try that if the issue persists, following some of your other steps.

2 - Yes - Already got that one - v.4.11.15.342

3 - Unsure here. I got "4.02.71.40.9B". Following this on Techpowerup, it looks like its the newest one. Nvidia claims that it should be provided by the manufacturer. However, ASUS don't have anything regarding BIOS/Firmware on their support section?

4 - That was not enabled actually! - I've enabled that now, following this

5 - Nope, but I've bookmarked this, so that I can test that out.

As I can't replicate the issue, I'll have to wait and see if it solves it with the SAM. Otherwise then I'll try the others one-by-one, hopefully being able to spot which ones makes the difference.

Thanks!