Planning now or wait??

[MaxTheAxe]

Budget (including currency): 2k to 3k cad

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: diablo 4, cyberpunk, asseto corsa competizione, will want to dip my toes in streaming.

Other details:

will probably only keep the case (define r4) and monitor for secondary/ dashboard (benq 32 inch) , but I want to change in march for diablo 4 release. Should I start planning now or wait till February? Will upgrade from a 6600k cpu, 16 gig ripjaw ddr 4, gigabyte z170 gaming 7 mobo, evga 1050ti Gpu and 500gig sata ssd (will probably keep it for steam files). I want a new 2k monitor ( ultrawide for iracing mostly) and 144 to 160hz but I don’t want the top of the line, I want best for buck for pretty much everything. I do want to go 13th gen intel but probably won’t overclock so 13600 when they come out and stay on rtx 3xxx I was thinking about 3070. Was wondering if it’s worth it to futureproof and go with ddr5 mobo and ram or stay on ddr4. Price will probably drop until February. Wants to go with at least 1gig nvme ssd. will probably only get a good air cooler for my cpu since I don’t want to overclock (want to keep it as reliable as possible). I am not afraid of bios settings tho, upgraded my mono’s bios twice already so if I need to do it to new mobo to support 13th gen intel I can do it. Whatever psu as long as the voltage is high enough and reliable enough. If it has full modular or semi modular I am cool with it but I don’t mind a non modular. As long as I can cram all those extra cables behind back panel and close it good I don’t mind. I want best for buck not too end….

[RONOTHAN##]

5 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

Should I start planning now or wait till February?

You can start looking into stuff if you want to, but at the same time there's a lot of hardware that's gonna be releasing early 2023 and pricing is gonna change quite a lot over the next month or two that a lot of what you're gonna be planning is going to change by that time. It's a good idea to look into some SSDs and PSUs, see what some good models to choose from, but for CPUs and GPUs everyone will be releasing new stuff around January/February that the decisions made about the bigger components of the build won't really be applicable by the time you're ready to build the system. 

[Dukesilver27-]

Wait till a week before purchase, prices fluctuate on a daily basis, new hardware releases within the next 3 months too.

[MaxTheAxe]

For the Gpu I don’t think it worth to go 4xxx, I think for what I want to do the 3070 will be just fine unless the 4060 can be bought and outperform the 3070 for the same price. Should I stay on a ddr 4 mobo or go ddr5 and you guys think a 13600 will do it for what I want to do??? I ain’t I big amd fan. They always seem to be behind intel/nvidia. You guys think it’s a good choice or I should give amd a shot for either cpu or Gpu??? Also I hate their product coding, so confusing to me….

[Somerandomtechyboi]

24 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

keep the case (define r4)

Case is ancient, issue is it has no airflow cause solid front panel (intake holes look tiny) so just replace it with a mesh front case, should be a decent amount of options between 60-100$ though obviously look at the lower end of the spectrum in price, not a good idea to waste extra money on something that doesnt directly contribute to performance outside airflow (cheapo mesh case will perform the same as an expensive one)

 

24 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

I want best for buck for pretty much everything. I do want to go 13th gen intel but probably won’t overclock so 13600 when they come out and stay on rtx 3xxx I was thinking about 3070

At 2k you should be looking at a used 3090 (800$) or at the very least used 3080/6900xt (600$), not a pathetic 3070

 

At 3k yea go buy a 7900xtx/4080

 

Also non k 13th gen will be a 12th gen rebrand so buying a 13400 is basically like buying a 12600k but no oc, same for buying the 13600 non k, so id just write off non k 13th gen outright unless it gets cheaper than a used 12600k and only get 13th gen if its 13600k and up

 

24 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

Was wondering if it’s worth it to futureproof and go with ddr5 mobo and ram or stay on ddr4

ddr4 if you dont ever intend to overclock

 

futureproof ddr5 is overclocking exclusive but if you intend on overclock or wanna play around with it later then theres 2 ics thatll be futureproof which is hynix m and a die (capabilities wise ~7200 and 8000+ respectively) which can be found on 5200c28, 5600c30/28, and 6000c32/30 though apparently gskill has a 50/50 chance of what used to be guaranteed hynix m die (all bins above except maybe the 5200 cause that seems to low of a bin for a die, probs m die exclusive) can come with hynix a dies instead so you may wanna prefer 6000c32/30 bins as long as they arent stupid overpriced

 

[MaxTheAxe]

Not to sure I understood your thing about ddr5 but if the mobo and ram price go lower than ddr4 it’s a no brainer to go ddr5. if not I guess I will just stay on ddr4. I never had issue with my define case but I do like the fractal meshify. I just not a big rgb fan I just want my case to be functional and as silent as possible, no tempered glass side panel, I am 41 I just want a good clean looking silent case. And I didn’t know the 13600 would be a rebranded 12th gen… which 12th gen “k” cpu would it be? Didn’t want to go 12th gen because of the retainer pressure defect…. Unless they fixed it somehow. And for the Gpu. I really don’t want to go used, too afraid for reliability. Like I said in my original post. Reliability is a big thing for me. Would even go as far as saying I would pay a little bit premium for reliability. I don’t want to pay premium for bell and whistle, bang for buck baby.

[MaxTheAxe]

Stasisgamezz helped me with a pcpartpicker build early sketch for a build I think I would look for.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLpdPX
 

you guys think it would make some sense?

[brob]

54 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

Not to sure I understood your thing about ddr5 but if the mobo and ram price go lower than ddr4 it’s a no brainer to go ddr5. if not I guess I will just stay on ddr4. I never had issue with my define case but I do like the fractal meshify. I just not a big rgb fan I just want my case to be functional and as silent as possible, no tempered glass side panel, I am 41 I just want a good clean looking silent case. And I didn’t know the 13600 would be a rebranded 12th gen… which 12th gen “k” cpu would it be? Didn’t want to go 12th gen because of the retainer pressure defect…. Unless they fixed it somehow. And for the Gpu. I really don’t want to go used, too afraid for reliability. Like I said in my original post. Reliability is a big thing for me. Would even go as far as saying I would pay a little bit premium for reliability. I don’t want to pay premium for bell and whistle, bang for buck baby.

 

DDR5 pricing is coming down rapidly and does offer a performance advantage at higher speeds. I suspect that given the purchase timeframe, it will likely be a cost effective option.

 

The CPU retainer issue is caused by the LGA 1700 retention bracket (ILM) design so it can exist for both 12th and 13th gen CPU. The fix, if needed, is a reasonably inexpensive CPU contact frame, available from Thermalright and others.

 

 

4 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

Stasisgamezz helped me with a pcpartpicker build early sketch for a build I think I would look for.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kLpdPX
 

you guys think it would make some sense?

 

The CPU cooler would be marginal.

[andrewmp6]

And double check the gpus you want can fit the case you have,They have been getting longer every new gen that comes out.If you want a cheap case look at fractal design pop line up.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

8 hours ago, brob said:

DDR5 pricing is coming down rapidly and does offer a performance advantage at higher speeds. I suspect that given the purchase timeframe, it will likely be a cost effective option.

Reasonable suspicion

 

I remember only a month or 2 ago 32gb 5600c30 was still like 200$+ and now its down to like 160$ or something. Still doesnt make sense unless you intend on futureproofing (exclusive to overclocking) due to ddr4 32gb kits going ~70$

 

9 hours ago, MaxTheAxe said:

Didn’t want to go 12th gen because of the retainer pressure defect…. Unless they fixed it somehow

Nope, same socket same issue, its been fixed by just buying some 5$ thermalright contact frame

 

9 hours ago, MaxTheAxe said:

And for the Gpu. I really don’t want to go used, too afraid for reliability. Like I said in my original post. Reliability is a big thing for me. Would even go as far as saying I would pay a little bit premium for reliability. I don’t want to pay premium for bell and whistle, bang for buck baby.

if youve got mission critical stuff you gotta do then its reasonable to go for the utmost reliability, pay about 150-250$ premium over used and with that budget you may aswell just get a 7900xt(x) or 4080

[MaxTheAxe]

Realised that my list was in usd updated it all with cad from pcpartpicker Canada, which uses Canadian retailers and prices.

you guys tell me what you think, still is a draft but hey gotta start somewhere, how good are corsairs psu? Should I spend more and go for a seasonic? I know seasonic makes really good psu.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/L94F9r

[brob]

You can save a bit going with the i5-13600KF.

 

Pairing an unlocked CPU with a motherboard that does not allow easy CPU overclocking is sub optimal and will negatively affect resale value.

 

The Hyper 212 Black can not handle the full spectrum of i5-13600K(F) thermal output.

 

The memory is not worth the cost in this build. Consider a less expensive DDR4-3200 kit. Put the savings into a better motherboard.

 

The RM850 is a good PSU. Buying Seasonic is no guarantee of excellence. Consult https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ for options.

 

The monitor seems expensive in relation to the rest of the build.

 

[MaxTheAxe]

2 hours ago, brob said:

You can save a bit going with the i5-13600KF.

 

Pairing an unlocked CPU with a motherboard that does not allow easy CPU overclocking is sub optimal and will negatively affect resale value.

 

The Hyper 212 Black can not handle the full spectrum of i5-13600K(F) thermal output.

 

The memory is not worth the cost in this build. Consider a less expensive DDR4-3200 kit. Put the savings into a better motherboard.

 

The RM850 is a good PSU. Buying Seasonic is no guarantee of excellence. Consult https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/ for options.

 

The monitor seems expensive in relation to the rest of the build.

 

Thanks, what would you suggest for cpu cooler? I will look into lower speed ram and check better mobo for the difference. I want k or non k  on the cpu for the possibility of Gpu diagnosis if it ever come to having weird graphic glitches.

[brob]

1 hour ago, MaxTheAxe said:

Thanks, what would you suggest for cpu cooler? I will look into lower speed ram and check better mobo for the difference. I want k or non k  on the cpu for the possibility of Gpu diagnosis if it ever come to having weird graphic glitches.

 

The AK400, AK620, AK500, Peerless Assassin 120 SE, Fuma 2 rev B, AS500, many others.

[MaxTheAxe]

There

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3yV3Q6

[brob]

4 hours ago, MaxTheAxe said:

There

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3yV3Q6

 

Get a z690 motherboard.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($409.99 @ Memory Express) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($91.99 @ PC-Canada) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($244.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($109.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($72.99 @ Best Buy Canada) 
Video Card: EVGA XC3 BLACK GAMING GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($870.00 @ Amazon Canada) 
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($144.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G7 LS28AG700NNXZA 28.0" 3840 x 2160 144 Hz Monitor  ($999.99 @ Amazon Canada) 
Total: $2944.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-21 20:59 EST-0500

[MaxTheAxe]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/MaxTheAxe/saved/sCGWcf
 

got some money from holidays. I think that would be it. Had to change power supply because case says max 155 mm length. What you guys think? You think that psu is any good? Now only waiting on my ltt store screwdriver with black shat to come then order then assembly time.

[brob]

13 minutes ago, MaxTheAxe said:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/MaxTheAxe/saved/sCGWcf
 

got some money from holidays. I think that would be it. Had to change power supply because case says max 155 mm length. What you guys think? You think that psu is any good? Now only waiting on my ltt store screwdriver with black shat to come then order then assembly time.

 

The 155 mm PSU length limit only applies if two two 3.5" trays are being used. Otherwise the limit is 255 mm. Since the build only has an m.2 drive there doesn't appear to be a need to choose a slightly inferior PSU. 

 

The GPU only needs a 650W PSU.

[MaxTheAxe]

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=194931
 

Price is in cad, should I jump on it?

[brob]

2 hours ago, MaxTheAxe said:

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=194931
 

Price is in cad, should I jump on it?

 

It does look like a good deal.

[MaxTheAxe]

It’s on it’s way!

3 hours ago, MaxTheAxe said:

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=194931
 

Price is in cad, should I jump on it?

 

[MaxTheAxe]

Received!!!! Now waiting on my

32gp83b-b monitor. Getting there little by little when I see deals.

 

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/x6NNwc

[Digitaltantrum]

There are a couple of interesting angles here.

You could wait til february (provided there is a stable chip market) and yes the prices, with new product launches etc, may fluctuate (hopefully down)

 

I would always recommend getting what you can afford now, and staging for the best possible route to upgrade

 

Note: intel is only supporting LGA 1700 sockets for 12th and 13th gen cpus, while AMD has stated AM5 support through 2025 so keep that in mind

 

That said, the 13th gen processors will do great and if you go that route just know, no regrets and dont look at AMD in 2024 with a grass is greener perspective

 

but if you set yourself up right now...you can build the best base you need knowing that you might add stuff later.

the graphics card would be hard, if you are ok going used, you can do way better than a 3070 (3080 ti?  or even a 3090 ti for the same price)

 

Graphics card,

this is an interesting perspective on the wait scenario, If you dont plan on going with the best next gen hardware 

I would suggest upgrading and building now

Reasons?

30 series graphics cards are abundant right now, but, MSRP they are way too expensive, and overpriced as everybody is clamoring for them, 

 

There have been a lot of people that have upgraded to 40 series and the bitcoin mining has shut down so you can get 3090 ti cards for around the same price as a 3070 (youre choice)

 

Note: the 4080 is almost twice the price of the 3070 but you would get twice the performance and get better chipset and hardware for any future software that leverages it.

 

My recommends

get a latest gen motherboard that suits what you will need, this may be AMD or Intel, this will get you

newest chipsets for future proofing your rig in case you want to upgrade

latest bus speeds, ddr5 (its not that expensive), faster m.2 speeds etc., lots of newer boards have faster Ethernet built in for that streaming scenario you were talking about.

 

Also if you aren't overclocking do yourself a favor and go air cooled, stay with name brands, Thermaltake assassins, Noctua, etc, they wont steer you wrong and you'll save a hundred bucks or so to put elsewhere; as the 2-3 degree difference wont matter much. also high end fans rated for lower decibels will also be quieter under stress.

 

 

 

 

 

[MaxTheAxe]

Should I install my new Gpu in my old system right away or just wait until I get everything together for my new build??? Mostly waiting for fractal design north to be somewhat more available and keeping an eye out for deals….

[brob]

The sooner you can establish that the card is working properly the better.