Should I upgrade my build with 13700k or with 7900x?

[WinWX]

I currently have an i7-8700 CPU in my build paired with an EVGA RTX 3070Ti and an EVGA SuperNOVA 850 P5 PSU.
Given the price drop for Ryzen 9 7900X to $439 at Amazon and the 13700K still costing $429, do you recommend upgrading to Intel or to AMD? I'll mostly use it for gaming.
I also know I have to factor in the cost of new RAMs if I go for AMD. Another option can be to wait if the costs will go lower next year, but I don't know, so I would like your suggestions.
Thanks in advanced!

[that_potato_guy]

Ya the 10 bucks you're gon save gon get smoked by ddr5 ram price lol. But if you wanna like upgrade your cpu later or something go for amd ig cuz it's new and for Intel it's the end for lga 1700. So it's your call

[agent2]

Hey there, 

I am a huge fan of the 13700K myself, as the P cores are insanely fast, the memory controller is superior to Zen 4 and the e core issue has been solved as of the newest OS updates, but I would only recommend it if it is closer to the 7700X in pricing than the 7900X. 439$ for the 7900X is a very good deal given it only released a few months ago. For reference I snagged my 3900X a year after release for 410Euros. 

But as the pricing of both these CPU is so close and X670E just has more features and I/O than Z790, the 7900X would be my choice. But it really is a wash in Gaming if both use DDR5. If you do go the route of DDR4 then the 13700K will be slower even than the 5800X3D. 

So yeah in conclusion I wouldn’t wait, the prices right now are really good. If you need every last frame then the 13700K will eek out the 7900X, but for platform longevity and better I/O (given you actually buy a higher-end/upper midrange mobo to make use of the features) get the R9. 

As competition is so great please decide based upon your own needs other than gaming. 

 

I hope I could help a little bit. 

 

Cheers!

[Dukesilver27-]

You don't need 13700K unless you need 200+ fps in 1080p.

13600K should be more than enough for every gamer, especially at higher resolutions.

7900X for gaming is a bad purchase, 7700X performs the same or better in gaming, yet it costs so much less.

Therefore, I'd look into 7700X+B650 or 13600K+Z690 DDR4/DDR5.

13th gen does have better performance with DDR5, but if you're on a budget, DDR4 is fine too, just don't expect it to perform close the benchmarks online. Or save even more by going with mid-high end B660 board.

My pick is 13600K and DDR4 if you'd rather spend less, if you're fine with spending more, 13600K Z690 DDR5.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/18.html

13600K Z690 DDR5

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wNtF3y

13600k Z690 DDR4

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QgXTxs

13600K B660 DDR4

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WYqkPX

7700X B650

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8mPR6r

[Bombastinator]

If I was to keep either the 8700 or the 3070ti it’s a bit tight, but the 8700 by a hair.  The 8700  is more or less equivelant to a 3600.  It’s comparatively slow compared to the most recent set of chips, but that’s pretty relative.  It’s faster than the ps5 until a game comes out that actually needs all 16 threads, but I’m unsure that’s even going to happen.  So for the time being it’s fine.  Not excessive, but fine.  Unless you’re running at really low Rez the difference is minuscule because you’re GPU bottlenecked anyway.  A current gen graphics card is guaranteed to give you a better experience whereas a new cpu isn’t.  It will run win11,  It will push sufficient frames.  I’d wait one more generation before I switched.   So probably next time, but not this time.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Bombastinator

[Dukesilver27-]

40 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

If I was to keep either the 8700 or the 3070ti it’s a bit tight, but the 8700 by a hair.  The 8700  is more or less equivelant to a 3600.  It’s comparatively slow compared to the most recent set of chips, but that’s pretty relative.  It’s faster than the ps5 until a game comes out that actually needs all 16 threads, but I’m unsure that’s even going to happen.  So for the time being it’s fine.  Not excessive, but fine.  Unless you’re running at really low Rez the difference is minuscule because you’re GPU bottlenecked anyway.  A current gen graphics card is guaranteed to give you a better experience whereas a new cpu isn’t.  It will run win11,  It will push sufficient frames.  I’d wait one more generation before I switched.   So probably next time, but not this time.

I think you misunderstood the post, OP is considering to upgrade the CPU to pair with his 3070 Ti, he already has the 3070 Ti.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Just stick with your 8700 if you dont have any issues with it not keeping up with your workloads

 

Otherwise id reccomend 13600k + ddr4, buying ram specifically for performance is retarded (fast rams = exclusive to overclocking) so buying ddr5 you should only consider it because of futureproofing with a tiny bit of extra performance being a bonus and thats for hynix m/a die bins capable of ~7200 and 8000+ (5200c28, 5600c30/28, 6000c32/30)

[Bombastinator]

5 hours ago, Dukesilver27- said:

I think you misunderstood the post, OP is considering to upgrade the CPU to pair with his 3070 Ti, he already has the 3070 Ti.

Gah.  I meant the 7900.  For a gaming pc in this case I choose video card on the grounds that the cpu is still enough.  It’s on the low end of that, but I think makes it.  I don’t know how long it will make it for but currently it still does for gaming.

[Dedayog]

8 hours ago, Dukesilver27- said:

You don't need 13700K unless you need 200+ fps in 1080p.

13600K should be more than enough for every gamer, especially at higher resolutions.

7900X for gaming is a bad purchase, 7700X performs the same or better in gaming, yet it costs so much less.

Therefore, I'd look into 7700X+B650 or 13600K+Z690 DDR4/DDR5.

13th gen does have better performance with DDR5, but if you're on a budget, DDR4 is fine too, just don't expect it to perform close the benchmarks online. Or save even more by going with mid-high end B660 board.

My pick is 13600K and DDR4 if you'd rather spend less, if you're fine with spending more, 13600K Z690 DDR5.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/18.html

13600K Z690 DDR5

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wNtF3y

13600k Z690 DDR4

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QgXTxs

13600K B660 DDR4

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WYqkPX

7700X B650

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8mPR6r

While I have a 7700x, I would agree that the 13600K is a faster gaming CPU by a small margin.  I have a Microcenter, so my purchasing decisions aren't everyone elses.

 

If you do go 7700x though, the Gigabyte B650 Auros Pro AX is a very stout and full featured mobo.  It seems this generation that the "budget" boards are only missing Gen 5 features.  The VRM's and build quality are near identical from the X670.

[Bombastinator]

On 12/20/2022 at 3:03 AM, Dukesilver27- said:

I think you misunderstood the post, OP is considering to upgrade the CPU to pair with his 3070 Ti, he already has the 3070 Ti.

Noticed that sometime after I typed it.  I don’t think that advice is wrong though.  Perhaps as a choice 21 or something.  I don’t think a new cpu/motherboard/memory will get him as much frame/$ as a new GPU would.  There may not be enough $ to do that though.  A high end rdna3 or 40xx would be held back a bit by the 8700, but those other CPUs would have to deal with the 3070ti and I think it’s a bigger bottleneck.
I would go with whichever one is cheaper en total with the build you want.  At least for gaming anyway.  For gaming they’re both ridiculously fast.   13th gen has a massive advantage in multicore IF the app that needs it can use pcores and ecores at the same time, which negates anything real-time so basically no games.  For games the ecores come pretty close to not existing at all.  AMD has some stuff where if you have an AMD cpu AND an AMD video card sometimes there is a bonus.  You don’t though. If you want ddr4 and not ddr5, 13th gen is the only option.  At this point it’s kind of a toss up though.  Previously it has been Ddr 4 was ahead because ddr4 was a fraction of the price.  This seems to be gone now.  Ddr5 is close to the same price frame for frame.  What is different now though is motherboards.  Apparently a lot of ddr5 motherboards got pulled. I don’t know what the status of that is.  

Edited December 22, 2022 by Bombastinator