Thoughts on waiting or stalling

[umbles]

Ok, so the scenario for me is. In my main rig I currently have a GTX 1080 (5900x, 32gb 3600 ram). I also have two HTPC (one is using integrated graphics, the other is just waiting on a GPU). I had planned to upgrade my main rig and move it's 1080 over to my htpc that's waiting for a GPU. I originally planned to either get a 4080 or 7900xtx, however the 4080 is just too expensive for me to justify the cost,  and the 7900xtx is just barely within reason, but does poorly in productivity tasks (which I need for freelance work). 

Knowing my scenario, do you think it is worth continuing to wait until either the 4080 goes down in price, hope that the 4070ti is a reasonable price, or get something like a 6700xt (which is 360 on newegg atm) for my htpc to tide me over until (hopefully) prices become reasonable? (the last option is more-so if I'm going to be waiting 6+ months to be able to get a good card) I realize it's going to come down to a judgement call, but I'd like a second opinion or two. 

[Vicarian]

Linus said the age of the top-tier $600 GPU is dead.  I tend to agree, because people were desperate enough to pay 3x that in 2020-2021.  It said to the card manufacturers that they vastly undervalued their products.  We reap what we sow.  It's unlikely prices will drop to a more "reasonable" level until the next generation is out.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Vicarian said:

Linus said the age of the top-tier $600 GPU is dead.  I tend to agree, because people were desperate enough to pay 3x that in 2020-2021.  It said to the card manufacturers that they vastly undervalued their products.  We reap what we sow.

This is correct and also a big Fucking wake up call I hope.

 

Someone said it a week ago, that cards are now fps enough and it's just extra shit .

 

We don't need 600 fps in CoD.  Or 130 fps in 4K Ultra.

 

We loved out 8 bit C64 games didn't we?

 

OP, don't blow the wad just cuz.  Look at the 6800xt, 6900xt or 3070.  1440p gaming looks amazing and reasonable

 

My 2 cents and sorry for the rant.

[umbles]

I appreciate the replies. All very good points. Might have just been the perspective shift I needed. I do game at 1440p, so it does make sense the top top isn't necessary for me. I might just consider the current 6-800 dollar cards right now. 

Thank you

[Chiyawa]

Well, for productivity, see if you can get Vega 56 or 64. They are still capable card for many of workstation load and a capable gaming GPU at 1080p. I'm using one and it still serves me well until today. Although it is old in terms of technology, but if you're like me using Blender 3D render software and produce video in 1080p using H.264, this card is still relevant.

 

So far what I use it for:

- Blender (need to install plugin from AMD website

- Cyberlink Power Director 15 (H.264 encode)

 

Games I played (UWFHD, 2560x1080, with power limit 50%, VRAM at 1100MHz and GPU clock set to default):

- Genshin Impact (all ultra settings, 60fps)

- Anno 2205 (medium to high setting, got about 45fps average)

- Need for Speed Most Wanted, Critereon Games (60 fps, all high, no MSAA or any AA)

- Civilization V (all high, get about 90+ frame)

- Assassin's Creed Unity (close to 75 fps all the time, all high settings with any AA off)

- Cyberpunk (I don't play much, but it's only 40fps with everything set to low back in early 2021. Not sure about now, though)

- Spyro Reignited Trilogy (close to 125 fps at 1920x1080)

- Crysis 3, original (all high settings, 80fps average, but a lot of dipping at certain scene)

- FarCry 3, when it still works (all high setting, over 100fps)

 

[umbles]

9 minutes ago, Chiyawa said:

Well, for productivity, see if you can get Vega 56 or 64. They are still capable card for many of workstation load and a capable gaming GPU at 1080p. I'm using one and it still serves me well until today. Although it is old in terms of technology, but if you're like me using Blender 3D render software and produce video in 1080p using H.264, this card is still relevant.

 

So far what I use it for:

- Blender (need to install plugin from AMD website

- Cyberlink Power Director 15 (H.264 encode)

 

Games I played (UWFHD, 2560x1080, with power limit 50%, VRAM at 1100MHz and GPU clock set to default):

- Genshin Impact (all ultra settings, 60fps)

- Anno 2205 (medium to high setting, got about 45fps average)

- Need for Speed Most Wanted, Critereon Games (60 fps, all high, no MSAA or any AA)

- Civilization V (all high, get about 90+ frame)

- Assassin's Creed Unity (close to 75 fps all the time, all high settings with any AA off)

- Cyberpunk (I don't play much, but it's only 40fps with everything set to low back in early 2021. Not sure about now, though)

- Spyro Reignited Trilogy (close to 125 fps at 1920x1080)

- Crysis 3, original (all high settings, 80fps average, but a lot of dipping at certain scene)

- FarCry 3, when it still works (all high setting, over 100fps)

 

Wow, and they're going for pretty cheap used right now. I'll consider it. 

[ewitte]

34 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

 

We don't need 600 fps in CoD.  Or 130 fps in 4K Ultra.

 

 

New games next gen will probably get 40fps on that card getting 130fps now...  I've already seen people run some UE5 demos with a 4090 getting fps in the 30s!

[Chiyawa]

8 minutes ago, umbles said:

Wow, and they're going for pretty cheap used right now. I'll consider it. 

Okay, just make sure you have enough juice for this card. It hogs a staggering 330W at full load.

 

By the way, I'm using Vega 64.

[Dedayog]

15 minutes ago, ewitte said:

New games next gen will probably get 40fps on that card getting 130fps now...  I've already seen people run some UE5 demos with a 4090 getting fps in the 30s!

Interesting.  Unreal 5 was supposed to be very light on resources for the beauty.  

 

We need an actual change in how things work not just more power 

[PriitM]

5 hours ago, Vicarian said:

Linus said the age of the top-tier $600 GPU is dead.  I tend to agree, because people were desperate enough to pay 3x that in 2020-2021.  It said to the card manufacturers that they vastly undervalued their products.  We reap what we sow.  It's unlikely prices will drop to a more "reasonable" level until the next generation is out.

People are desperate or are you falling for the industry wide price hike scheme? 

[Vicarian]

7 hours ago, PriitM said:

People are desperate or are you falling for the industry wide price hike scheme? 

The price hikes were arguably driven by the desperation to buy graphics cards over the last 2 years.  More people needed to work from home, so cards started flying off shelves.  People were willing to shell out around $2000 for them, which gave the industry the green light to raise prices to exorbitant levels.  It's not so much a scheme as supply and demand.  We were responsible for it.  As I said, we reap what we sow.  The only way it changes is if we vote with our wallets, like Linus is already doing in skipping the Nvidia 40xx series.  However, I doubt everyone will do so and they'll probably begrudgingly pay the high price for a 4090.

[venomtail]

On 12/14/2022 at 1:59 AM, Chiyawa said:

Well, for productivity, see if you can get Vega 56 or 64. They are still capable card for many of workstation load and a capable gaming GPU at 1080p. I'm using one and it still serves me well until today. Although it is old in terms of technology, but if you're like me using Blender 3D render software and produce video in 1080p using H.264, this card is still relevant.

 

So far what I use it for:

- Blender (need to install plugin from AMD website

- Cyberlink Power Director 15 (H.264 encode)

 

Games I played (UWFHD, 2560x1080, with power limit 50%, VRAM at 1100MHz and GPU clock set to default):

- Genshin Impact (all ultra settings, 60fps)

- Anno 2205 (medium to high setting, got about 45fps average)

- Need for Speed Most Wanted, Critereon Games (60 fps, all high, no MSAA or any AA)

- Civilization V (all high, get about 90+ frame)

- Assassin's Creed Unity (close to 75 fps all the time, all high settings with any AA off)

- Cyberpunk (I don't play much, but it's only 40fps with everything set to low back in early 2021. Not sure about now, though)

- Spyro Reignited Trilogy (close to 125 fps at 1920x1080)

- Crysis 3, original (all high settings, 80fps average, but a lot of dipping at certain scene)

- FarCry 3, when it still works (all high setting, over 100fps)

 

50% power limit? Does that not significantly impact the performance of a Vega 64 card? I always thought people said to whack the power limit to the max and undervolt the card if one wants to keep it cool and not throttle?

 

How have you managed this

[Chiyawa]

13 hours ago, venomtail said:

50% power limit? Does that not significantly impact the performance of a Vega 64 card? I always thought people said to whack the power limit to the max and undervolt the card if one wants to keep it cool and not throttle?

Well, the slider is 0% to 50%, so yeah. Maybe it's positive though but I didn't see clearly. Mine is Gigabyte RX Vega 64 Gaming OC, so not sure if that's how the card configure. But I only see it use 330W no matter how high I set the slider. At 0%, the GPU only take around 270W full load.

[Scarumanga85]

I was waiting on 4070Ti pricing to make a decision on what to upgrade to from my 3060Ti. By my guess based on the $799usd pricing the 4070Ti 3rd party boards will be around $1200cdn. Making the 4080 only $400-$500 more if your not buying the pricy models.

Based off that I just went ahead and ordered myself a 4080 MSI ventus 3x OC for $1900cdn after taxes. That hurt, but at least I will know it can handle a bit more than the 4070Ti for longer as I'm not sure I'll jump on the 50 series when they launch... if this type of pricing keep's scaling up.

[Dedayog]

12 hours ago, Scarumanga85 said:

I was waiting on 4070Ti pricing to make a decision on what to upgrade to from my 3060Ti. By my guess based on the $799usd pricing the 4070Ti 3rd party boards will be around $1200cdn. Making the 4080 only $400-$500 more if your not buying the pricy models.

Based off that I just went ahead and ordered myself a 4080 MSI ventus 3x OC for $1900cdn after taxes. That hurt, but at least I will know it can handle a bit more than the 4070Ti for longer as I'm not sure I'll jump on the 50 series when they launch... if this type of pricing keep's scaling up.

You could always go AMD....