5800x3d Getting really high temperatures with 5800x3D.

[Warmpanda]

I recently upgraded to a 5800x3D with a 280mm arctic freezer 2, I know the temps are higher with this CPU but I’m wondering if the performance I’m getting is normal. 
 

When running a R23 multiple core test my temps max out at 90c 5 seconds into the test. The chip idles at 50ish degrees. HWInfo never shows the chip thermal throttling but I’m wondering if there’s a way to try and drop these temps. 
 

While playing Warzone 2 the temps are around 79c at 110fps with high graphics settings at 1080p. 

Playing Elden ring my temps hover in the low 70s
 

I’ve tried reseating the chip and applying new thermal paste. I’ve adjusted the fan curves in bios to try and run faster at lower temps instead of ramping up . The ambiant temperature of the room is 19c. 
 

thank you. 

 

 

[Dedayog]

Yes, those are normal temps.  It's how the chip was designed.

 

 

[WereCat]

Seems rather high, I agree. Try to remount it again, use sufficient amount of paste, make sure the mount is not overtightened as you may start to bend the PCB and worsen the contact to CPU. 

Also you want even tightness on all 4 screws. 

 

 

For reference I usually get around low to mid 60°C when playing Warzone2 capped at 160FPS with spikes to mid 70s.

 

Haven't run R23 but R20 gets me to around 80°C.

 

I've ever only approached 90-93°C with Linpack Extreme. When using PBO2 CO with - 15 offset that drops me around 8-10°C while getting higher clocks more often. 

 

I get around 30°C idle. 

 

using Liquid Freezer II 360mm which should perform similarly to 280mm.

 

I don't know which case you have. May affect temps quite a bit. 

 

I use LianLi O11XL with side 3 fan intake, bottom 3 fan intake, rear 1 fan exhaust and 3 fan top LF II radiator exhaust. 

[QuantumSingularity]

Hmmm something is off if we are talking about the Liquid Freezer II 280mm. The chip sure is hot, but in idle mine keeps ~33°C and in R23 get about 83°C on the 10 minute benchmark and that's with EVGA CLC 280mm... a cooler that hasn't won "The European Award For The Best CPU Cooler (Water)". Check if you radiator is mounted properly - tubes of the radiator should be at the bottom and the pump on the CPU should be lower than the top part of the radiator.

 

If this is an air cooler with 2x140mm fans, then it's completely normal. Even with NH-U14S it still managed to hit the same temps under load in R23 and was constantly above 45°C idle. 

[Warmpanda]

Just now, QuantumSingularity said:

Hmmm something is off if we are talking about the Liquid Freezer II 280mm. The chip sure is hot, but in idle mine keeps ~33°C and in R23 get about 83°C on the 10 minute benchmark. Check if you radiator is mounted properly - tubes of the radiator should be at the bottom and the pump on the CPU should be lower than the top part of the radiator.

 

If this is an air cooler with 2x140mm fans, then it's completely normal. Even with NH-U14S it still managed to hit the same temps under load in R23 and was constantly above 45°C idle. 

The radiator is front mounted with the tubes at the highest point above the pump. Should I switch to put the tubes at the bottom? I’ll reseat everything again and apply more thermal paste. 

[Warmpanda]

2 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Hmmm something is off if we are talking about the Liquid Freezer II 280mm. The chip sure is hot, but in idle mine keeps ~33°C and in R23 get about 83°C on the 10 minute benchmark. Check if you radiator is mounted properly - tubes of the radiator should be at the bottom and the pump on the CPU should be lower than the top part of the radiator.

 

If this is an air cooler with 2x140mm fans, then it's completely normal. Even with NH-U14S it still managed to hit the same temps under load in R23 and was constantly above 45°C idle. 

Thanks for the reply. How tight is too tight? I’m not torquing them extremely hard or really cranking on them but I do try to make sure they’re tight. 

[Warmpanda]

4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Seems rather high, I agree. Try to remount it again, use sufficient amount of paste, make sure the mount is not overtightened as you may start to bend the PCB and worsen the contact to CPU. 

Also you want even tightness on all 4 screws. 

 

 

For reference I usually get around low to mid 60°C when playing Warzone2 capped at 160FPS with spikes to mid 70s.

 

Haven't run R23 but R20 gets me to around 80°C.

 

I've ever only approached 90-93°C with Linpack Extreme. When using PBO2 CO with - 15 offset that drops me around 8-10°C while getting higher clocks more often. 

 

I get around 30°C idle. 

 

using Liquid Freezer II 360mm which should perform similarly to 280mm.

 

I don't know which case you have. May affect temps quite a bit. 

 

I use LianLi O11XL with side 3 fan intake, bottom 3 fan intake, rear 1 fan exhaust and 3 fan top LF II radiator exhaust. 

 

5 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Seems rather high, I agree. Try to remount it again, use sufficient amount of paste, make sure the mount is not overtightened as you may start to bend the PCB and worsen the contact to CPU. 

Also you want even tightness on all 4 screws. 

 

 

For reference I usually get around low to mid 60°C when playing Warzone2 capped at 160FPS with spikes to mid 70s.

 

Haven't run R23 but R20 gets me to around 80°C.

 

I've ever only approached 90-93°C with Linpack Extreme. When using PBO2 CO with - 15 offset that drops me around 8-10°C while getting higher clocks more often. 

 

I get around 30°C idle. 

 

using Liquid Freezer II 360mm which should perform similarly to 280mm.

 

I don't know which case you have. May affect temps quite a bit. 

 

I use LianLi O11XL with side 3 fan intake, bottom 3 fan intake, rear 1 fan exhaust and 3 fan top LF II radiator exhaust. 

I’ve got the lianli O11 mini with radiator front mounted and two top 120 fans 1 120 exhaust fan and 2 120 fans on the bottom. 

[QuantumSingularity]

5 minutes ago, Warmpanda said:

Thanks for the reply. How tight is too tight? I’m not torquing them extremely hard or really cranking on them but I do try to make sure they’re tight. 

If you have a thumbscrews for tightening it, just do it WITHOUT any screwdriver, fingers only and remember the resistance of the first one. Once you tight them all at the same level, DON'T go over them one more time. Also what paste are you using? Noctua's NT-H2, Arctic's MX-5 and Thermal Grizzly are strongly advised. They really bring serious temperature drop.

[WereCat]

4 minutes ago, Warmpanda said:

The radiator is front mounted with the tubes at the highest point above the pump. Should I switch to put the tubes at the bottom? I’ll reseat everything again and apply more thermal paste. 

Yeah, optimally you want tubes at the bottom. 

 

Pump must not be the highest point in the loop which will not be the case because the water in radiator will still be above the pump height. 

[Warmpanda]

Just now, QuantumSingularity said:

If you have a thumbscrews for tightening it, just do it WITHOUT any screwdriver, fingers only and remember the resistance of the first one. Once you tight them all at the same level, DON'T go over them one more time. Also what paste are you using? Noctua's NT-H2, Arctic's MX-5 and Thermal Grizzly are strongly advised, The really bring serious temperature drop.

I’m using Arctic’s MX-5 paste. Okay I finger tightened them all and gave a smidge more with a screw driver. I’ll undo it all and inspect tonight for any damage to the PCB although I don’t suspect they’re that tight. 

[Warmpanda]

3 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Yeah, optimally you want tubes at the bottom. 

 

Pump must not be the highest point in the loop which will not be the case because the water in radiator will still be above the pump height. 

Alright I’ll reverse the mounting tonight and reapply thermal paste and reseat the CPU to see if all that helps. Thank you. 

[QuantumSingularity]

If you have the space, you can try to mount the radiator at the top, with fans pulling air from above and the rear fan exhausting it faster. Will improve airflow at lower fan speeds and is the best case for AIO mount when the radiator is top. Oh on that note, make sure both fans are in the same configuration and that one isn't pulling air through the radiator while the other is pushing it.

[Warmpanda]

1 minute ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If you have the space, you can try to mount the radiator at the top, with fans pulling air from above and the rear fan exhausting it faster. Will improve airflow at lower fan speeds and is the best case for AIO mount when the radiator is top. Oh on that note, make sure both fans are in the same configuration and that one isn't pulling air through the radiator while the other is pushing it.

Yeah unfortunately my motherboard is too big and the radiator wouldn’t fit at the top of the case. The fans are working together pushing air through the radiator I double checked that lol. I tried to update my profile to show my specs but for some reason it didn’t update. Thanks for your input I’ll do these tweaks and update later tonight. 

[QuantumSingularity]

 

This is how you DON'T want your fans with the radiator mounted. They should be mounted AS HIGH as possible, so the pump is lower than the top of radiator. A lot of people do the mistake of putting the radiator as low as possible - always go as high as possible. 

[Warmpanda]

7 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

 

This is how you DON'T want your fans with the radiator mounted. They should be mounted AS HIGH as possible, so the pump is lower than the top of radiator. A lot of people do the mistake of putting the radiator as low as possible - always go as high as possible. 

Yup my radiator is as high as it will go in the case with the tubes coming in from the top but I will flip the mount tonight so the tubes are coming in the bottoms of the radiator 

[QuantumSingularity]

Also check in BIOS if you have the option to change the CPU_FAN1 / 2 to Water Pump (WP) and change control from Auto to PWM. If you have more than one CPU header, plug the pump into the first one and set it to "Full Speed" and then plug the AIO fans in the second, set them again to PWM and monitor CPU at Performance or a Custom curve.

[Warmpanda]

36 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Also check in BIOS if you have the option to change the CPU_FAN1 / 2 to Water Pump (WP) and change control from Auto to PWM. If you have more than one CPU header, plug the pump into the first one and set it to "Full Speed" and then plug the AIO fans in the second, set them again to PWM and monitor CPU at Performance or a Custom curve.

Correct me if I’m wrong but as I remember the pump had 1 4pin connector and the fans on the radiator seemed to be in series with that. There was a splitter on the two fans that came from the pump to connect each fan into. 

[QuantumSingularity]

You should have a splitter coming from the pump, but the fans should also be able to be connected to a separate header.

[Warmpanda]

6 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

You should have a splitter coming from the pump, but the fans should also be able to be connected to a separate header.

I’ve reseated the pump with new thermal paste (MX-5). I’ve rotated the radiator so the tubes are at the bottom, two issues 1 I had move a fan from the bottom to the top because it wouldn’t fit with the tubes and 2 the tubes stick out a little bit so I’m hoping it’s okay they bend inside the case. There is also only one 4 pin connector at the pump and for the two fans on the radiator. 

[Warmpanda]

10 minutes ago, Warmpanda said:

I’ve reseated the pump with new thermal paste (MX-5). I’ve rotated the radiator so the tubes are at the bottom, two issues 1 I had move a fan from the bottom to the top because it wouldn’t fit with the tubes and 2 the tubes stick out a little bit so I’m hoping it’s okay they bend inside the case. There is also only one 4 pin connector at the pump and for the two fans on the radiator. 

Here’s my current idle thermals. 

[freeagent]

I would say something is amiss. You are hitting 90 in R23?

 

Seems a bit spicy.

 

This is a PA120SE:

 

 

[Warmpanda]

25 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I would say something is amiss. You are hitting 90 in R23?

 

Seems a bit spicy.

 

This is a PA120SE:

 

 

That’s what I’m thinking as well but I can’t for the life of me figure it out. 

[Warmpanda]

26 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I would say something is amiss. You are hitting 90 in R23?

 

Seems a bit spicy.

 

This is a PA120SE:

 

 

My in game temps are down though, around 59c on high quality graphics in MW2 and around 50 in elden ring. 

[Dedayog]

9 hours ago, Warmpanda said:

My in game temps are down though, around 59c on high quality graphics in MW2 and around 50 in elden ring. 

Those temps are fine, I'm thinking you may have an anomaly for a chip and it's just not cooling under stress as well as most.  

 

Keep at it, hopefully something works but you've done basically everything reasonable.

 

 

[Warmpanda]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Those temps are fine, I'm thinking you may have an anomaly for a chip and it's just not cooling under stress as well as most.  

 

Keep at it, hopefully something works but you've done basically everything reasonable.

 

 

Thanks you. I did some more reading last night and I think that’s just the way it’ll be. Other people are getting temps in the high 80s in R23 in game it looks fine in the 60s now. I’m not too worried about it anymore. 
 

cheers