2022 Please pick apart Build List. Too noob since last real desktop 8+ years ago...

[SeanKPat]

Budget (including currency): 1k to 1.75k... 

Country: USA

Games, programs or: Anno, Revit, Civil 3D, Unity, Blender, Adobe Premier Pro, After Effects

workloads that it will be used for: Drafting, Design, 3D modeling, 3D Rendering, CFD Simulations, General Video editing, Medium Gaming

Other details: Need help with PC pick list for CPU new build

Reason for upgrade: Its been awhile... Glutton for punishment lol

General Noobness/overall expectation: I can't tell which brand matters the most when it come to 1. reliability 2. bang of buck 3. customer support/warranty? 

 

PC List so Far:

Component        Selection                                                                                                         Price

CPU                   Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor                                 $329.99 @  Amazon << Picked this one for its price better than the i7-13700k 16core for $449.99

CPU Cooler       Noctua NH-L9i-17xx 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler                                        $44.95 @  Amazon  << I just picked this for low profile? easier install? Please feel free to suggest a better one? Does the vertical standing up fan = better?

 

Case                  Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case                                                   $129.99 @  Newegg << I was initially planning for more drive cage for hdd but motherboard seems to be only 4 sata?

Power Supply   Corsair RM750 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply   $119.01 @ Amazon << errr no real reason just want reliability? correct brand?

 

Motherboard - Gigabyte? MSI? Asus? - Are they all the same in terms of function vs reliability? Would like to have 4 Sata at least or more for 8tb hdds. [M.2 (2-3)?] (wifi? not priority) really only need 2 pcie these days correct? 1 for graphics card and??

Memory - ddr4 or ddr5 Doesn't matter . Does ddr5 Z690 motherboard mean I that I can only put in ddr5 and not backwards compatible with ddr4? then dd4 all the way for price and performance right?

Storage - 1 tb. Does teamgroup vs samsung vs WD matter? Leaning towards teamgroup 2 tb for bang for buck. is reliability in question anyone with exp?

Storage - Planning to chuck in about (4) 8tb seagate barracuda for tiny home server to organize my life worth of junk lol

Video Card - MSI vs nvidia...8gb vs 12 gb... 3060 Ti vs 3060 vs 3070??? Prefer more 12gb for performance right?

MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X12G ($389.99) vs MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR 8 GB VENTUS 3X OC Video Card ($479.49) what gives?

Case - Its not about the looks. its for the innerds functionality...

Power Supply - please just don't crash and burn like the recent gigabytea or newegga fiasco 

Thermal paste recommendations?

 

Need to worry about power consumption? Thermals? 

Sorry for the long thread. its for the buck bangs sweet spot rig? high hopes with light pockets unfortunately lolz. please comment away!

Edited October 27, 2022 by SeanKPat

[dizmo]

Good God! How did you manage to pick such horrible parts?
Haha, kidding. There are a few changes I'd make though:

• Get a different cooler, that one isn't really ideal. There are quite a few budget towers that are almost as good as the top tier picks. @Caroline can usually recommend a good one.
• If you want cheap, then DDR4 is the way to go, though depending on the amount you're getting you can get cheap DDR5 kits that will perform better. Not sure on the motherboard cost differences though.
• You likely won't need the VRAM, go with the 3060Ti. If you want 12GB, I'd get a 2080Ti used, or perhaps look at the AMD offerings.
• Just use the thermal paste that comes with whatever cooler you get.
• I personally wouldn't get an MSI board, I'd lean towards Gigabyte or Asus, perhaps AsRock high end, but we all have our different experiences.
• I don't imagine Team Group would be that bad, it's hard to reallllly screw up an SSD. Might be worth doing some review checking though.
  You can also check these: https://techwafer.com/ssd-tier-list-best-ssds-to-buy/

 

 

There are many different ways to go about a build, so there will likely be many different suggestions.

Welcome to the forum.

[MATIKOOO]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GMKcjZ 400$+ cz of that (4) 8tb seagate barracuda drives 

 

Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor it was your pick so i've stayed on that one, (good price for good cpu ngl) NZXT Kraken X53 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler picked liquid AIO cz of same price for air cooled ones and cpu is not that hot but not chilled one as well

Asus PRIME Z690M-PLUS - has great price is decent mobo with decent vram heatsink Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory picked minimum 32gb for your rendering thing and cl18 for gaming is great as well ddr4 because its much cheaper and for now no big difference in specs with ddr5  Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB is decent nvme, 1tb enough for os and few games Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card better than 3060/3060ti and can run any game at ultra for sure minimal enough vram as well for 3d Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case big and cool case, enough space for exra drives and great airflow EVGA 850 BQ 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply power efficent psu, great price and eco as well ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan to swap case fans to those non-rgb but quit and cool fans. total cost 1800$ without coupons and if not include now all 4x8TB baracuda hdd's  p.s could be cheaper with 12th gen with decent b660 mobo and deepcool aio like 1200-1400 bucks, and this mb needs last bios installation to be able to see 13th gen if there will be any problem with incompatibilities.

 

[Dukesilver27-]

2 hours ago, MATIKOOO said:

NZXT Kraken X53 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler picked liquid AIO cz of same price for air cooled ones and cpu is not that hot but not chilled one as well

Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory picked minimum 32gb for your rendering thing and cl18 for gaming is great as well ddr4 because its much cheaper and for now no big difference in specs with ddr5  Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB is decent nvme, 1tb enough for os and few games Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card better than 3060/3060ti and can run any game at ultra for sure minimal enough vram as well for 3d Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case big and cool case, enough space for exra drives and great airflow EVGA 850 BQ 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply power efficent psu, great price and eco as well ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan to swap case fans to those non-rgb but quit and cool fans. total cost 1800$ without coupons and if not include now all 4x8TB baracuda hdd's

Bad value cooler, could go with cheaper brands of RAM, 970 EVO when you're already over budget is unwise, could've gone with cheaper GPU model that performs just the same, low quality PSU, why so many fans.

[Dukesilver27-]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all if not most of the software you listed would primarily use GPU, so 13600K is just unwise in this kind of budget.

This is as cheap as I could make it even you still insist on a K series processor.

13600K with a 3060 Ti for a mostly 3D rendering or video editing is a very weird build, again, correct me if I'm wrong.

I would start with 1x1TB SSD and 1x8TB HDD first, and buy the rest of HDD overtime, therefore you have more budget to get better GPU.

 

12600K instead of 13600K, to allow for better GPU and cheaper board would still be fine.

Good B660M board, B660M doesn't allow CPU OC, but 12600K OC barely worth the price increase needed anyway.

Cheaper cooler, should do just fine for 12600K.

Cheapest 32GB RAM.

SSD is good enough, as cheap as a decent SSD goes, I personally uses it, no complaint.

4x8TB HDD, as you requested.

Cheapest decent RTX 3070, performs about the same as high end models, I would've gone with RTX 3080 because you need to render stuff, which requires GPU, faster GPU equals faster rendering, therefore more productivity.

Your chosen case is pretty good already.

PSU, good high quality PSU, 750w is enough for 3070.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bnc42m

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($269.99 @ Newegg)  
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B660M-PLUS WIFI D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($169.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: OLOy ND4U1632161DJ0DA 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($72.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($57.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI VENTUS 2X OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($469.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($129.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1780.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-10-27 01:45 EDT-0400

 

 

[MATIKOOO]

19 minutes ago, Dukesilver27- said:

Bad value cooler, could go with cheaper brands of RAM, 970 EVO when you're already over budget is unwise, could've gone with cheaper GPU model that performs just the same, low quality PSU, why so many fans.

used this cpu cooler because of rendering on that cpu hits 80c even with decent air cooler on market, could go on 80$ Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L but again cz of thermals for rendering, could go G.Skill Ripjaws, Patriots vipers, teamgroup cheap 80$ ones but didnt cz of hynix memory chips, plus not supported xmp for this mb, 970 evo for 100$ bucks rly? not that much cmon. picked 3070 for 500 bucks, could go for 3060/12gb for sure, but picked this one for future perspective, psu is great for pc gaming/rendering, maybe not the greatest for mining but oh i'm glad its not, cz miners deserve extra place in hell they almost killed gaming in those days we needed the most. 2k for 13th gen rtx 3070 32gb 1tb nvme/ 32TBhdd is not that much for next 5-10 year not upgrading. 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, MATIKOOO said:

used this cpu cooler because of rendering on that cpu hits 80c even with decent air cooler on market, could go on 80$ Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L but again cz of thermals for rendering, could go G.Skill Ripjaws, Patriots vipers, teamgroup cheap 80$ ones but didnt cz of hynix memory chips, plus not supported xmp for this mb, 970 evo for 100$ bucks rly? not that much cmon. picked 3070 for 500 bucks, could go for 3060/12gb for sure, but picked this one for future perspective, psu is great for pc gaming/rendering, maybe not the greatest for mining but oh i'm glad its not, cz miners deserve extra place in hell they almost killed gaming in those days we needed the most. 2k for 13th gen rtx 3070 32gb 1tb nvme/ 32TBhdd is not that much for next 5-10 year not upgrading. 

You don't need an AIO to cool a 13600K. Also NZXT are overpriced. An air cooler such as the Deepcool AK620 is enough.

 

The Samsung SSD's are not usually good value for money. You can get a Team MP34 or Silicon Power A80 etc for less and it will do the same thing.

 

Not sure what makes a psu good for gaming and rendering ? That doesn't make a lot of sense. The psu doesn't know what it is being used for. Also the EVGA BQ isn't very good, and certainly doesn't belong in a $1k - $1.7k build. 

[MATIKOOO]

6 hours ago, lee32uk said:

You don't need an AIO to cool a 13600K. Also NZXT are overpriced. An air cooler such as the Deepcool AK620 is enough.

 

The Samsung SSD's are not usually good value for money. You can get a Team MP34 or Silicon Power A80 etc for less and it will do the same thing.

 

Not sure what makes a psu good for gaming and rendering ? That doesn't make a lot of sense. The psu doesn't know what it is being used for. Also the EVGA BQ isn't very good, and certainly doesn't belong in a $1k - $1.7k build. 

rendering using max 12v Wattage lane for long therm and dont restart thats what good psu means for me, even golds and some platinums for 7+ days full load on render restart duo fail, waiting for render 7 days and come to see restart, picked samsung ssd cz i trust it 1tb 100bucks is not that much to see great speeds and long therm usage again, nzxt aio is overpriced cz of its visuals sure but great components and last for 5+ years without any leaking or failure scenario, and 13th i5 is hot af when using for a render in maya or blender aircooling for 7+days hits its max tdp and tjmax i'm not saying about 1-2 hour renders, picked components for long therm usage and long hours renders thats why, personaly using most of parts and used and can say in work like renders you mostly need stability than risk for a few bucks

[NF-A12x25]

17 hours ago, SeanKPat said:

Storage - 1 tb. Does teamgroup vs samsung vs WD matter? Leaning towards teamgroup 2 tb for bang for buck. is reliability in question anyone with exp?

grab a decent NVMe 4.0 SSD, imo the SN770 1tb is the best bang for buck (one of the cheapest 4.0 SSDs out there)

 

I’d grab a Deepcool AK620 cooler

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MATIKOOO said:

rendering using max 12v Wattage lane for long therm and dont restart thats what good psu means for me, even golds and some platinums for 7+ days full load on render restart duo fail, waiting for render 7 days and come to see restart, picked samsung ssd cz i trust it 1tb 100bucks is not that much to see great speeds and long therm usage again, nzxt aio is overpriced cz of its visuals sure but great components and last for 5+ years without any leaking or failure scenario, and 13th i5 is hot af when using for a render in maya or blender aircooling for 7+days hits its max tdp and tjmax i'm not saying about 1-2 hour renders, picked components for long therm usage and long hours renders thats why, personaly using most of parts and used and can say in work like renders you mostly need stability than risk for a few bucks

Which psu are you talking about ? If you have had system restarts then it is more than likely something other than the psu. A good quality Gold/Platinum unit isn't going to crap out when running 24/7 assuming you have enough wattage for the components. 

 

The Samsung 970 Evo is actually $110. That is getting towards high end Gen 4 pricing. 

 

The Arctic Liquid Freezer 240mm would perform better for less money if you wanted an AIO. The 13600K can be kept in check with an air cooler. I would suggest something like a Deepcool AK620 or one of the Thermalright dual tower coolers which usually go for around $40.

[SeanKPat]

23 hours ago, dizmo said:

Good God! How did you manage to pick such horrible parts?

-Thank you for your amazing input. As you can tell I am really lost with part selection atm. Havent been keeping up with tech. Gonna need time to digest and repick part list.

- You are right. I was in between ddr4 vs 5. I was hoping for new motherboard that can do either instead of only d4 vs d5 only.

- Yea I am still lost with motherboard selection. I dont have any experience any brand boards. been trashing on used Dell workstations. 

Thanks again for the input! Really appreciate it!

[SeanKPat]

Really appreciate your input as well as the pcpartpicker list!

 

22 hours ago, MATIKOOO said:

Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card better than 3060/3060ti and can run any game at ultra for sure minimal enough vram as well for 3d

Good find I didnt know there was a rev2 version of this card. I had initially saw the ori version for like $700 ish... i dont unstand why MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X12G ($389.99) is almost half price with 12gb ram????  

 

-i plan to slowly add the (4) 8th Seagate

- yea... i didnt pick an aio cooler at first cuz Linus kept posting videos about how its not the best option anymore and air cooler is "better" though obviously my current choice need a better option to switch out

- ok  so for the "cheaper" ddr4 rams and similar spec as ddr5 to date. will i be limiting perhaps future upgrade option for ram since my ram and motherboard option need to be compatible. I dont seem to see any mb that can do both dd4 and ddr5 or even if it designed that way...

- yea I guess i should look into other PSU options instead of just corsair

 

ps my initial build was going to be 12th gen with b660 mb but since 13th came out and the price diff was bumped slightly up i was thinking 13th would be "better" with the new raptor lake arch.... hence my dilemma now with this build from scratch.

 

Thank you for your input! Will def need to reupdate my list to match closer with this. 

 

[SeanKPat]

On 10/27/2022 at 12:51 AM, Dukesilver27- said:

Correct me if I'm wrong

Nope I dont think you are wrong at all! Haha. Err my mainwork flow current starts from CAD... Which is CPU heavy instead of GPU if my assumption is correct. Then I would import linework into 3d render for post processing / render / building 3d models.... I find that CPU does bottleneck quite a bit in the initial renders and GPU hardly supports... then after into adobe premiere for vids and kicks... which i found to be CPU heavy again than GPU?.... at this point idk anymore LOlz

(again in my current laptop setup this might be the issue.... I find that the GPU hardly kicks in or things are really slow in rendering....) [PS i know this all sounds like bs and I dont know what I am talking about which is true... hence I want to get a new desktop to get away from laptops and used old dell workstation for design and render]

 

Anyway... I do quite like your list. I saw something like this when i was browsing on pcpartpicker complete builds... was just thinking since 13th gen cpu raptor lake just came out might be better to be on new arch?

for price sake I was in btw K and non K version just because sometimes when you check on the pricing they dont differ too much (+-$50 to $70) from each other plus at that point even 13th gen is tempting!

 

Please help me... i really cant wrap my head around this why is 

MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming X12G ($389.99) not better than 

MSI VENTUS 2X OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR 8 GB Video Card  ($469.99)? 

I must really be outdated that these days 8 gb is better than 12 gb?

 

I think you list makes a lot of sense $1780.79 - 4x$119.99 = $1300.83 which i will slowly add the 8tb later...

 

Another good reply that i will need some time digesting the input. Thanks again!

[dizmo]

38 minutes ago, SeanKPat said:

-Thank you for your amazing input. As you can tell I am really lost with part selection atm. Havent been keeping up with tech. Gonna need time to digest and repick part list.

- You are right. I was in between ddr4 vs 5. I was hoping for new motherboard that can do either instead of only d4 vs d5 only.

- Yea I am still lost with motherboard selection. I dont have any experience any brand boards. been trashing on used Dell workstations. 

Thanks again for the input! Really appreciate it!

Haha, it can be a battle. Even little things like which motherboard is the best.
I find Hardware Unboxed is great for shootouts of different hardware. I'd check them out for the best motherboard reviews based on price etc.

 

When they moved from DDR3 to DDR4 there was one or two boards that supported both....and hardly anyone bought them. It's just added complexity that 99% of people will never make use of. Don't hold your breath waiting for such a board to appear for DDR4/5, just pick which one you want and live with it.

 

I noticed in a lot of your posts that you seem to think the amount of VRAM makes a video card better or worse, but this simply isn't the case. The core of the GPU is far more important than the amount of available VRAM. Don't get caught up on 12GB vs 8GB; the 3070 is a vastly superior card to the 3060.

[SeanKPat]

17 minutes ago, dizmo said:

3070 is a vastly superior card to the 3060.

I am outdated than! hahaha ok 3070 it is then. ok trick question was is the diff btw

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070              (669.40)

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti          (639.99)

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR      (549.99)

 

To me they all look the same sound the same and spec the same lolz...

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/2C7p99,wNpzK8,mLYmP6/

 

yea now that you mentioned it I do remember now that there was news about old motherboards that could support both new and old ddr rams but sales were too low for manufactures to produce and keep stock... Good note I guess i just need to decide and live with it... hahahaa story of my life....

[dizmo]

13 minutes ago, SeanKPat said:

I am outdated than! hahaha ok 3070 it is then. ok trick question was is the diff btw

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070              (669.40)

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti          (639.99)

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR      (549.99)

 

To me they all look the same sound the same and spec the same lolz...

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/2C7p99,wNpzK8,mLYmP6/

 

yea now that you mentioned it I do remember now that there was news about old motherboards that could support both new and old ddr rams but sales were too low for manufactures to produce and keep stock... Good note I guess i just need to decide and live with it... hahahaa story of my life....

Oh man. At those prices, definitely not the 3070. I don't reeeeally think the Ti is worth $100 more than the vanilla one though.

LHR just means Low Hash Rate, it was a scheme they tried to use to make it harder to use the cards for mining. I remember reading somewhere that they've updated the drivers so that the cards aren't nerfed at all anymore, since the boom is over (didn't really affect gaming performance anyway).

[SeanKPat]

44 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Oh man. At those prices, definitely not the 3070.

Ok so the 3070 LHR sound good at ($549.99)? Just asking cuz i am not really sure what the real worth of these cards are.... What would you say these card should costs around and which would you pick if the price is right?

[dizmo]

7 minutes ago, SeanKPat said:

Ok so the 3070 LHR sound good at ($549.99)? Just asking cuz i am not really sure what the real worth of these cards are.... What would you say these card should costs around and which would you pick if the price is right?

I'm not the best person to ask that to, my builds are a little unorthodox; always used parts, usually free or profiting by the end of the build process. 

 

I think it seems reasonable though? You could always wait for Black Friday to see if there's any deals. It's right around the corner. 

[Dukesilver27-]

1 hour ago, SeanKPat said:

I am outdated than! hahaha ok 3070 it is then. ok trick question was is the diff btw

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070              (669.40)

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070 Ti          (639.99)

Gigabyte Gaming OC GeForce RTX 3070 LHR      (549.99)

 

To me they all look the same sound the same and spec the same lolz...

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/2C7p99,wNpzK8,mLYmP6/

 

yea now that you mentioned it I do remember now that there was news about old motherboards that could support both new and old ddr rams but sales were too low for manufactures to produce and keep stock... Good note I guess i just need to decide and live with it... hahahaa story of my life....

You're in the USA right, why is the cheapest 3070 at $550? There are cheaper ones that should just perform just the same.

[SeanKPat]

On 10/27/2022 at 10:43 PM, dizmo said:

Black Friday

Yea you got it! I'm hopeful for reasonable pricing. I was also thinking about going to the used parts market but lack the mental fortitude to deal with troubleshooting used parts... also no experience! haha honestly mostly lazy as well T.T

[SeanKPat]

On 10/27/2022 at 11:12 PM, Dukesilver27- said:

You're in the USA right, why is the cheapest 3070 at $550? There are cheaper ones that should just perform just the same.

You are correct. Apologies my brain cant keep up with the varied available pricing and vendors! Thank you for your reply really appreciate it!

[dizmo]

10 minutes ago, SeanKPat said:

Yea you got it! I'm hopeful for reasonable pricing. I was also thinking about going to the used parts market but lack the mental fortitude to deal with troubleshooting used parts... also no experience! haha honestly mostly lazy as well T.T

As long as you shop appropriately on Black Friday you'll find tons of deals. Don't pick parts and hope they get discounted. Just decide at a higher level (eg a 1TB SSD, 16Gb of RAM, etc) and buy what's discounted. 

[SeanKPat]

12 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Just decide at a higher level

You are spot on! Yea... parts for storage, case, cpu, can always be purchase at discounted price first and then the mobo, ram, graphics, psu can fit accordingly... I def lack the knowledge for component compatibility hence keep waiting for the perfect fit... lolz

 

Thanks for your guidance!