The new 16GB DDR3 Ram Module.

[CGameDev]

http://imgur.com/BMYA8ZP

They exist, just not for you!

I was looking at the link you posted and that type of RAM can only be used in server mb. What does not exist are Un-buffered and Unregistered 32gb ram. Only those can be used on the itx motherboard.

[CGameDev]

then why not go intel? The 760k is outperformed by a haswell i3...

I did an intel build before using the Asus Z9PE-D8 WS and it was impressive, then I did the Asus SABERTOOTH 990FX which was also great. Now and doing an amd its build. My intel itx build is schedule for later this year.

 

 

[LukaP]

I did an intel build before using the Asus Z9PE-D8 WS and it was impressive, then I did the Asus SABERTOOTH 990FX which was also great. Now and doing an amd its build. My intel itx build is schedule for later this year.

ok, its just that i see no point in this, since the CPU will be mediocre at best, not able to drive either the GPU or the memory sufficiently, but in the end, its your money, and who am i to judge you on how you spend it  

 

just post pictures when making it

[Vitalius]

Are you seriously using Linus Tech Tips forums and you don't know about CTRL+A?

 

*makes the whole page blue defeating the entire purpose of having a dark theme*

The entire purpose. 

Then why does he need a gtx780 in that server?

I'm not strictly talking about the OP. I'm talking about people in general wanting that much RAM in that form factor. Because honestly, aside from a storage server, I can't understand needing more than 8GB unless you are a very tinkering type of person (like I am) and mess with VM's, or do photoshop and other things. And even then, ITX limits you a lot in that. 

The only place it doesn't limit you and actually helps you, imo, is in the storage server category. Because they usually need nothing more than a few cores at mediocre GHz with tons of RAM and HDDs.

[LukaP]

I'm not strictly talking about the OP. I'm talking about people in general wanting that much RAM in that form factor. Because honestly, aside from a storage server, I can't understand needing more than 8GB unless you are a very tinkering type of person (like I am) and mess with VM's, or do photoshop and other things. And even then, ITX limits you a lot in that. 

The only place it doesn't limit you and actually helps you, imo, is in the storage server category. Because they usually need nothing more than a few cores at mediocre GHz with tons of RAM and HDDs.

yeah im aware of other uses for loads of ram (i do lots of rendering myself, and will go 64/128GB when x99 comes out. i just cant seem to find a situation where you need loads of ram, a badass GPU and a shitty cpu

[CGameDev]

This is super old amd has been advertising 64gb support on there boards for years!

I know they had be advertising it for years, but there was no such memory to fully max out that 64GB. there was on 8GB Modules then up until recent they are now 16gb modules. So even though they advertise it, it was not possible to achieve the 64gb.

[CGameDev]

ok, its just that i see no point in this, since the CPU will be mediocre at best, not able to drive either the GPU or the memory sufficiently, but in the end, its your money, and who am i to judge you on how you spend it

 

just post pictures when making it

I will be posting some pictures of the case today that was themed in Black Blue and white with red interior.

[Misanthrope]

*makes the whole page blue defeating the entire purpose of having a dark theme*

 

Oh, but you're not entitled or anything right?

 

Let's just all ignore this comments and move right along from now on.

[Vitalius]

Oh, but you're not entitled or anything right?

 

Let's just all ignore this comments and move right along from now on.

I find it sad you are still going on about this. Get over yourself. 

I'm not one of these people, but for many people, if it's painful to read, they aren't going to read it. It's the OP's business how he wants his post to be, but if he wants people to read it, he should probably make it palatable to as many people as possible. 

You realize we started this by mentioning the (now gone) stark blue text the OP originally used right? ... CTRL+ A is like that, but the whole page. I don't see how that's a valid solution.

Again, this is dumb. The OP was courteous and changed the font color to something easier to read. Move on.

[matin94]

most Intel based systems have a software-limitation in their BIOS which does not allow the use of any module larger than 8GB. "Intel is aware of it, but does not want to change it unless customers ask for it."

 

are you serious? wtf intel. wtf people, why hasnt this been mentioned before?

 

Intel. we want to be able to use 16gb on a single module. seriously, its the best or maybe only way to be able to have a BEAST of a PC in a small form factor like ITX. (because almost all of them only have 2 RAM slots)

 

thanks for the post.

 

EDIT: just read the last bit twice. by customers they mean the manufacturers like DELL, HP, Lenovo. basically people who use their products in their laptops, and pre built PCs

Edited April 29, 2014 by airdeano
Excessive Profanities

[matin94]

I was doing some research on the Gigabyte F2A85XN-WiFi and the F2A88XN-WiFi. The spec on these motherboard allows these itx board to use a max of 64gb ddr3, which means the use of two 32gb un-buffered and unregistered ram. These capacities has not been invented as yet. The 16gb ddr3 module that is un-buffered and unregistered has just been manufactured by Intelligenmemory. I got in touch with both Gigabyte and Intelligent Memory and it seem like Gigabyte tech was not aware of the board specs as well as what memory I was to use to get the max ram capacity. My research goes as below: 

 

 

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Question: Can 32GB PC3-8500 DDR3-1066 4Rx4 1.35v ECC Registered RDIMM or HP 32GB PC3-14900 DDR3-1866 4Rx4 1.5v ECC Registered LRDIMM (HP PN# 708643-B21) be used on this board?

 

I didn't get a good reply so I spoke to intelligentmemory.com and they explain a whole lot and gave me a crash course on rams and how they are made and the technology behind them, which was kind of them. So i got back to Gigabyte tech once more.

 

[Question: JEDEC, the largest possible DDR3 chip has a capacity of 8 Gigabit (=1GB) and unbuffered DIMMs can only take maximum 16 Chips, which results in 16GB maximum per module. Thus, with two sockets, it can maximum be upgraded to 32GB, but impossibly to 64GB. They ask that Gigabyte could please contact george.ho@intelligentmemory.com to test samples of the VERY FIRST 16GB modules which they can see on intelligentmemory.com. Do you have any recommendations for a 32gb unbufferd/unregistered module to result in the 64gb max? 4/24/2014 3:54 AM Answer:

Dear Customer,

Any major brand memory of non ecc un-buffered ddr3 memory should be ok on this board. Please use 1866mhz or slower. You will not be able to use more than 2 modules on this board as there are only 2 slots of memory bank available. 

4/25/2014 3:08 AM

 

 

I know I wont be able to use no more than two memory module. The motherboard max memory is 64GB both for the F2A85XN-WIFI and the F2A88XN-WIFI there is no non ecc un-buffered ddr3 memory in 32GB module that exist that would give me the 64GB max ram. only ECC Registered RDIMM and ECC Registered LRDIMM. 4/24/2014 5:27 PM    

Answer:

You will need to wait for 32gb Non ecc un-bufferd memory or use another board which offers 4 memory bank instead of 2 that way you can use 4x 16gb modules.

 

 

4/26/2014 1:58 AM

 

With that said I got back in touch with intelligent Memory and inquire more information.

 

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            I am using them on the gigabyte f2a88xn-wifi that specs the use of 2 x 32gb mem modules to a max of 64gb. You can view the board and confirm. So I am assuming the 16gb can work 

On Saturday, April 26, 2014, 

Hello!

 

Yes, these Intelligent Memory 16GB modules are unbuffered and unregistered. The first ones on the market with this capacity.

But you need to look carefully on which machine you try to use them, because most Intel based systems have a software-limitation in their BIOS which does not allow the use of any module larger than 8GB. This is a very frustrating situation. Intel is aware of it, but does not want to change it unless customers ask for it. And when Intel says "customers", they mean HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Yours sincerely

Dipl.-Inf. Thorsten Wronski

 

 

 

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Hi!

 

Yes, this board should be fine to take maximum two modules of 16GB to get to 32GB.  Maximum speed of the modules will be DDR3-1333.

But a 32GB module does not exist and technically can not be manufactured, so I wonder a bit why they specify the board could get to 64GB.

 

We are not yet sure in which way these modules will become available to customers asking for just 2 or 4 pcs. We typically sell to manufacturers who take much larger quantities.

I will approach the board maker Gigabyte, maybe they are interested to add the 16GB modules to their product line to support the dealers worldwide.

 

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Yours sincerely

Dipl.-Inf. Thorsten Wronski

 

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With this said I got back in touch with Gigabyte and got back the following respond..

 

 

 

Question: thank you. I am also looking forward to test the 16gb module from intelligentmemory.com . they said the its un-buffered and unregistered ram. will the bios allow that magnitude of memory? this was the respones from their agent when i ask. "Yes, these Intelligent Memory 16GB modules are unbuffered and unregistered. The first ones on the market with this capacity. But you need to look carefully on which machine you try to use them, because most Intel based systems have a software-limitation in their BIOS which does not allow the use of any module larger than 8GB. This is a very frustrating situation. Intel is aware of it, but does not want to change it unless customers ask for it. And when Intel says "customers", they mean HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc." 4/27/2014 4:47 PM Answer:

It should auto detect the memory by default unless you wish on tweaking the memory, as long as 64 bit OS is being used it should not be an issue utilizing the full capacity under the OS.

 

4/29/2014 5:10 AM

 

 

So this conclude my research for now. These are one of my many researches but I figure it may be of use to tech community so I did my first post here about it.

 

Even though I didnt mention, the build I am doing is

 

F2A88XN-WiFi

A10 APU

GTX 780

2x 1Tb SSHD

1x 250gb SSD

Silverstone Slim Blu-Ray

Silverstone Raven Z rvz01

AIO Liquid cooler for APU

i love your build. using AMD APU because of HSA to remove that bottleneck from your GPU and APU. and still have a beast of a PC. good job

[LukaP]

are you serious? wtf intel. wtf people, why hasnt this been mentioned before?

 

Intel. we want to be able to use 16gb on a single module. seriously, its the best or maybe only way to be able to have a BEAST of a PC in a small form factor like ITX. (because almost all of them only have 2 RAM slots)

 

thanks for the post.

 

EDIT: just read the last bit twice. by customers they mean the manufacturers like DELL, HP, Lenovo. basically people who use their products in their laptops, and pre built PCs

its been known for quite some time. they just saved money designing the IMC to only be able to address 8GB per stick. but, with DDR4 coming, you will have common 16GB sticks, so worry not my friend

[matin94]

its been known for quite some time. they just saved money designing the IMC to only be able to address 8GB per stick. but, with DDR4 coming, you will have common 16GB sticks, so worry not my friend

aight aight, ill wait.

[CGameDev]

Paint job that was done on the Silverstone Raven RVZ01

-This is the base for the itx build 

 

[matin94]

 

Paint job that was done on the Silverstone Raven RVZ01

-This is the base for the itx build 

 

im sorry but the first picture looks like someone went over it with an iron

but looks pretty good inside, i dislike the blue though

[CGameDev]

The 16GB DDR3 module are now on the market. They are $386 per module. so 2x16 GB is around $730+ thats 32GB and these work in the Gigabyte itx and micro motherboards. Therefore i can achieve 32Gb on a mini-itx board. Only this is that the speed is 1333mhz.

[LukaP]

The 16GB DDR3 module are now on the market. They are $386 per module. so 2x16 GB is around $730+ thats 32GB and these work in the Gigabyte itx and micro motherboards. Therefore i can achieve 32Gb on a mini-itx board. Only this is that the speed is 1333mhz.

and that it doesnt work with intel CPUs. the only CPUs really worth getting 16GB DIMMs for...

[Psykomantis00]

and that it doesnt work with intel CPUs. the only CPUs really worth getting 16GB DIMMs for...

Intel fanboy alert. 

[LukaP]

Intel fanboy alert. 

nope, realist. if you need alot of ram, you are a heavy CPU user (rendering, compute, etc) so you need a powerful cpu. AMD simply does not offer that so far. and if i wanted these to have 32GB of ram in an ITX board, i couldnt, you know why? because AMDs power offerings (FX line) doesnt come in ITX, and for the APUs, this is even more retarded, since they are weaker than i3s

[That Norwegian Guy]

and that it doesnt work with intel CPUs

 

Doubt it. Back on X58 when Intel marked each board with 6x RAM slots as "up to 24GB" because there were only 4GB modules available at the time, most motherboards worked with 8GB modules when they came around, making 48GB achievable on those platforms. Hell, i7s from X58 era are still bought up used in large quantities by budget server hosts because it's the cheapest option for achieving over 32GB of memory.

 

I sincerely doubt that more than 10% of Z68 and later Z motherboards won't accept the 16GB modules even without a BIOS update.

 

Hell, I'll go so far as to predict an X58 board will be able to get up to 96GB now!

[LukaP]

Doubt it. Back on X58 when Intel marked each board with 6x RAM slots as "up to 24GB" because there were only 4GB modules available at the time, most motherboards worked with 8GB modules when they came around, making 48GB achievable on those platforms. Hell, i7s from X58 era are still bought up used in large quantities by budget server hosts because it's the cheapest option for achieving over 32GB of memory.

 

I sincerely doubt that more than 10% of Z68 and later Z motherboards won't accept the 16GB modules even without a BIOS update.

 

Hell, I'll go so far as to predict an X58 board will be able to get up to 96GB now!

its not the boards problem. or the advertised support. its the fact that intel didnt implement its memory controller completly up to spec, so it only can address up to 8GB of ram per dimm

[LukaP]

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im stating facts here, youre just accusing me of being a fanboy, with no real backing

[FratStar]

The 16GB DDR3 module are now on the market. They are $386 per module. so 2x16 GB is around $730+ thats 32GB and these work in the Gigabyte itx and micro motherboards. Therefore i can achieve 32Gb on a mini-itx board. Only this is that the speed is 1333mhz.

 

May I ask where you find these modules online I can't seem to find much I may have some used for these modules at some point in the future. (Not entirely sure yet).

[Victorious Secret]

 

That is odd. Maybe they're advertising it in case 32GB DIMMs came around, but it's far too late now; the industry is pushing forward with DDR4 as the new platform for high-density consumer kits.

 

yea but that means dirt cheap DDR3 at some point in time which means HELLO 4x8 kits of Dominator Platinum for under 200 bucks!

In my dreams, I know. 

[wpirobotbuilder]

yea but that means dirt cheap DDR3 at some point in time which means HELLO 4x8 kits of Dominator Platinum for under 200 bucks!

In my dreams, I know. 

Maybe in the short run -- as the stock of DDR3 gets lower and lower the price will go up. That's why DDR2 memory is so expensive (if you buy through retail channels).