Intel Threadripper equivalent?

[A Friend]

I have got a question for yall, AMD has their live of over the top CPUs like tTreadripper, but why doesn't Intel have their own version of it, and if they do, what is it called? Thanks

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

3 minutes ago, A Friend said:

I have got a question for yall, AMD has their live of over the top CPUs like tTreadripper, but why doesn't Intel have their own version of it, and if they do, what is it called? Thanks

xeon phi

 

Intel Xeon Phi Processor 7295 16GB 1.5 GHz 72 Core Product Specifications

[Slizzo]

X299 platform, Intel 109xxX series.

 

I.E., I am running a 10940X on an Asrock X299 Taichi XE.

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

well its in a totally different market segment...but this is one of the only cpus that has many mnay cores...also amd killed traditional threadripper and u can only get threadripper pro in a prebuilt workstation...sooooo technically amd doesnt have an option u can build urself either anymore...unless u want to build old threadripper

[Slizzo]

Nah, as of last week? Week before? You could by Threadripper Pro separately.

[starsmine]

34 minutes ago, IBM_THINKPAD_R51 said:

xeon phi

 

Intel Xeon Phi Processor 7295 16GB 1.5 GHz 72 Core Product Specifications

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Thats not anything similar, thats a cross between a gpgpu and a cpu. thats why clocks are so low, its a GPU. hence the knights naming on the core.

Intel as of today has nothing to compete with thread ripper, and hasnt since 2019, but they may in the future with sapphire/emerald rapids, both of which are delayed due to a hardware security bug. 
Though those are going to be xeons frist, if they do a HEDT line, that has yet to be seen. 
Granite rapids in late 2024 early 2025 may actually bring intel beck to form.

[IBM_THINKPAD_R51]

1 minute ago, Slizzo said:

Nah, as of last week? Week before? You could by Threadripper Pro separately.

rlly? didnt know that...cool!

[Slizzo]

Yeah, latest LTT video mentions it, and I think Jay and some other tech tubers have mentioned it in passing.

 

It's not a big news story as it's priced as a workstation CPU would be, so it's very expensive.

[GuiltySpark_]

The segment you are referring to is commonly called HEDT or high end desktop. As of now, Intel does not currently offer a product intended to compete directly with Zen3 Threadripper. The last to my knowledge was Cascade Lake. 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_Lake_(microprocessor)

[porina]

Threadripper is in HEDT, and as mentioned before Intel's last offering in that area was Cascade Lake-X, on the X299 platform succeeding Skylake-X. Intel's HEDT offerings were based off server CPUs, and being realistic in recent years they've not been great and wouldn't compete against AMD in many areas.

 

There's also the more "pro" end where Intel has Xeon Workstation, and AMD has Threadripper Pro. The Xeons do exist, but again don't compare well vs AMD, and are certainly not consumer facing.

 

Sapphire Rapids is the upcoming server generation. It's late, but it might open the door to a return to consumer facing HEDT platform in future.

[XZDX]

54 minutes ago, starsmine said:

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Thats not anything similar, thats a cross between a gpgpu and a cpu. thats why clocks are so low, its a GPU. hence the knights naming on the core.

Intel as of today has nothing to compete with thread ripper, and hasnt since 2019, but they may in the future with sapphire/emerald rapids, both of which are delayed due to a hardware security bug. 
Though those are going to be xeons frist, if they do a HEDT line, that has yet to be seen. 
Granite rapids in late 2024 early 2025 may actually bring intel beck to form.

Hahahaa no son thats called an accelerator.  Larraby was a gpu, phi, is most certainly, not.

 

26 minutes ago, porina said:

Threadripper is in HEDT, and as mentioned before Intel's last offering in that area was Cascade Lake-X, on the X299 platform succeeding Skylake-X. Intel's HEDT offerings were based off server CPUs, and being realistic in recent years they've not been great and wouldn't compete against AMD in many areas.

 

There's also the more "pro" end where Intel has Xeon Workstation, and AMD has Threadripper Pro. The Xeons do exist, but again don't compare well vs AMD, and are certainly not consumer facing.

 

Sapphire Rapids is the upcoming server generation. It's late, but it might open the door to a return to consumer facing HEDT platform in future.

Also don't forget HEDT is getting a sappire rapids reboot tho

[porina]

32 minutes ago, XZDX said:

Also don't forget HEDT is getting a sappire rapids reboot tho

I don't recall seeing anything official to that effect. Is that just leak/rumour or something more? Logically it is a good opportunity to return to that segment.

 

Edit: I just had a poke around, and it looks like leaks claiming to be a workstation level CPU. The lower end HEDT for enthusiasts doesn't look like it is coming back  

[Motifator]

1 hour ago, porina said:

Edit: I just had a poke around, and it looks like leaks claiming to be a workstation level CPU. The lower end HEDT for enthusiasts doesn't look like it is coming back  

That's not because of the quality of the actual product alone (Sapphire Rapids), but also because you already have several 12 and over core CPUs on desktop that pound HEDTs on core clocks, eventually getting higher gaming performance. This might again be a case with next gen, especially given that 6 Ghz thing.

Lower, mid and higher end HEDT were all a thing... in 2015 / 2017. Cause back then, the regular desktop CPUs typically weren't as strong in several areas.

[porina]

4 minutes ago, Motifator said:

That's not because of the quality of the actual product alone (Sapphire Rapids), but also because you already have several 12 and over core CPUs on desktop that pound HEDTs on core clocks, eventually getting higher gaming performance. This might again be a case with next gen, especially given that 6 Ghz thing.

Core counts are not the only selling point. I don't need stupid number of cores. I'd love to see another 8 or 12 core HEDT for the platform benefits alone. More ram channels is the biggest thing for me, and more PCIe lanes never hurt. If Intel leave in ECC support that would be really sweet on top. Traditionally they haven't enabled it on consumer facing models. Single tile Sapphire Rapids is more than plenty to cover a lower end HEDT range. Also AVX-512 support, ideally if they retain dual unit like Skylake-X did, will destroy all consumer tier CPUs with AVX-512.

[Motifator]

3 minutes ago, porina said:

Core counts are not the only selling point. I don't need stupid number of cores. I'd love to see another 8 or 12 core HEDT for the platform benefits alone. More ram channels is the biggest thing for me, and more PCIe lanes never hurt. If Intel leave in ECC support that would be really sweet on top. Traditionally they haven't enabled it on consumer facing models. Single tile Sapphire Rapids is more than plenty to cover a lower end HEDT range. Also AVX-512 support, ideally if they retain dual unit like Skylake-X did, will destroy all consumer tier CPUs with AVX-512.

What do you need any one of those for anyway... a good amount of the things you mention already exist on desktop SKUs. You don't have quad channel, but you do have very fast sticks coming in cheaper now... next gen will do better with DDR5. Realistically, it will only boast your AIDA64 Extreme scores, nothing else...

[porina]

1 minute ago, Motifator said:

What do you need any one of those for anyway... a good amount of the things you mention already exist on desktop SKUs. You don't have quad channel, but you do have very fast sticks coming in cheaper now... next gen will do better with DDR5. Realistically, it will only boast your AIDA64 Extreme scores, nothing else...

HEDT has been there for those who need more than what consumer platforms offer. Do not judge it by consumer use cases. Core counts and performance has increased much faster than the ability to feed it. This ain't Cinebench.

 

Skylake-X was panned by those that failed to understand what it was for. The short way to describe my use case is compute similar to Prime95 in terms of function. I want a lot of FP64 perf, and the ability to feed it. My 7800X (6 core) was faster than any AM4 Zen 2 CPU at the time, especially as the fragmented CCX nature of Zen and relatively slow IF makes it choke itself moving data around. DDR5 isn't enough. Doubling channels isn't enough. Both, or more than doubling of channels will start to get interesting. AMD instead are resorting to throwing cache at things, but I suppose a vcache AM5 would probably suffice but only up to 8 cores before IF becomes a limit again.

[Motifator]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

HEDT has been there for those who need more than what consumer platforms offer. Do not judge it by consumer use cases. Core counts and performance has increased much faster than the ability to feed it. This ain't Cinebench.

 

Skylake-X was panned by those that failed to understand what it was for. The short way to describe my use case is compute similar to Prime95 in terms of function. I want a lot of FP64 perf, and the ability to feed it. My 7800X (6 core) was faster than any AM4 Zen 2 CPU at the time, especially as the fragmented CCX nature of Zen and relatively slow IF makes it choke itself moving data around. DDR5 isn't enough. Doubling channels isn't enough. Both, or more than doubling of channels will start to get interesting. AMD instead are resorting to throwing cache at things, but I suppose a vcache AM5 would probably suffice but only up to 8 cores before IF becomes a limit again.

I've owned several HEDT systems from every gen of Intel, watercooling, AIO, server air sinks... all of it. I probably owned more Intel HEDT, toyed with it more and still do got more than you do. So don't come to assumptions that fast...

also, your puny 7800X does not outperform a Zen 2 (3000). They will all walk over that little junk save for some extreme specific use case such as AVX-512. Even then, it's only a single scaler on it... My 7900X was completely rendered useless by my 3900X and this CPU still owns anything on that platform side by side at the 4450 I run it around.

You might want to look at AMD HEDT...

[porina]

3 minutes ago, Motifator said:

They will all walk over that little junk save for some extreme specific use case such as AVX-512.

Yes, AVX-512 is great. Zen 4 is much more interesting because of it. Anyway, just saying don't assuming everyone's workload is the same as yours.

[Motifator]

20 minutes ago, porina said:

Yes, AVX-512 is great. Zen 4 is much more interesting because of it. Anyway, just saying don't assuming everyone's workload is the same as yours.

Well tbh, low end HEDT has never really been interesting. I did have a 7800, but the 7820 was even more interesting than the 7900 to me as it got to higher clocks much easier. You mentioned PCI-E slots, however a lot of the usages regarding them, PCI-E add-in cards like drive controllers, GPUs, PCI-E SSDs... most that stuff is 2017 material. Even then, a lot of that stuff was already dying (remember SLI / CF). Modern boards focus on slapping M.2 sticks inside the board heatsink and more practical solutions like that. 

My current board has 8x8x8, it might not be as much as my old HEDT... but actually, low end HEDT does NOT give you full lanes. You get an expensive board and you actually can not use several of its full size slots to full potential or not at all. That to me right now is LOL worthy, but back then just sad when I owned it and tried extensive configs with higher end Intel NICs and the jazz...

I'm also running a U.2 SSD on this board, I can actually run a PCI-E SSD + U.2 plus M.2 all at full speeds without compromising from GPU on this Asus X570-WS. There have been other boards on AM4 with U.2 and several options like some ECC support here and there. What I'm saying is, AMD offered what HEDT did on a cheaper and more simple package for the most part. A 3700X will outperform a 7600X easily, for instance.

[starsmine]

5 hours ago, XZDX said:

Hahahaa no son thats called an accelerator.  Larraby was a gpu, phi, is most certainly, not.

thats a distinction without a difference.

Its a GPGPU that can run x86 code. 
Phi is derived from Larrabee.

What do you think GPUs are? All GPUs are accelerators.

[XZDX]

On 9/12/2022 at 4:07 PM, starsmine said:

thats a distinction without a difference.

Its a GPGPU that can run x86 code. 
Phi is derived from Larrabee.

What do you think GPUs are? All GPUs are accelerators.

Task specific vs general mass compute.  I don't recall being able to use HSA

[Motifator]

Intel Xeons keep sucking... even the new one lost to the older EPYC, at 350W rated min, more higher in reality... kek.

https://www.techpowerup.com/298843/intel-xeon-scalable-sapphire-rapids-with-hbm2e-beaten-by-older-amd-epyc-milan-x-in-leaked-benchmarks

[Blue4130]

On 9/13/2022 at 1:11 AM, Motifator said:

What do you need any one of those for anyway... a good amount of the things you mention already exist on desktop SKUs. You don't have quad channel, but you do have very fast sticks coming in cheaper now... next gen will do better with DDR5. Realistically, it will only boast your AIDA64 Extreme scores, nothing else...

I want pcie lanes. I guess I am in the minority, but loading up some m.2 pcie cards would help me get rid of harddrives. 

[Motifator]

Just now, Blue4130 said:

I want pcie lanes. I guess I am in the minority, but loading up some m.2 pcie cards would help me get rid of harddrives. 

For colder storage, you don't need M.2. Other forms of SSD will do that fine.

[Blue4130]

3 hours ago, Motifator said:

For colder storage, you don't need M.2. Other forms of SSD will do that fine.

With all the added cable mess. Also good luck finding a case that supports 12 2.5 drives. 

 

This is where more lanes would be nice. Three add-in cards with 4 drives each. Nice and clean.