Intel Threadripper equivalent?

[starsmine]

1 minute ago, Blue4130 said:

With all the added cable mess. Also good luck finding a case that supports 12 2.5 drives. 

 

This is where more lanes would be nice. Three add-in cards with 4 drives each. Nice and clean. 

wouldnt you just switch at that point? like a hardware switch that diverts the lanes as needed, there is no need to access all the bandwidth on all the drives all at once outside of a server environment. 

[Blue4130]

16 minutes ago, starsmine said:

wouldnt you just switch at that point? like a hardware switch that diverts the lanes as needed, there is no need to access all the bandwidth on all the drives all at once outside of a server environment. 

Cards with a switch chip are crazy expensive vs accessing lanes directly. 

[Motifator]

7 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

Cards with a switch chip are crazy expensive vs accessing lanes directly. 

You're coming up with an extreme example, if you're replacing HDDs, other forms of SSD will do just fine.

Also, you can always buy bigger M.2 sticks to compensate for not having lanes. You want a lot of fast storage, you gotta pay for it.

The above user is also right in saying you'll never need the full bandwidth on all of them. You're talking about using SSDs for cold data...

[jaslion]

Intel had x299 but its been basically abandonned for years and not really seen a new architecture sinc it came out as its 7th-10th gen cpu's did not use the normal cpu architecutre but were basically just rebrands of last years cpu's but optimized.

 

Its why threadripper pulled ahead so hard and eventually desktop ryzen started beating most x299 offerings at a fraction of the cost.

 

Currently intel doesnt have an answer for threadripper as they havent been actively going in the hedt space and its basically been in minor support mode for a while.

 

Amd also currently has left certain ranges of threadripper sockets behind so those are stuck on threadripper 3000.

 

As of now the only hedt platform that is actively in use is oem only with trx80 and threadripper 5000 pro chips.

 

 

[Blue4130]

2 hours ago, Motifator said:

You're coming up with an extreme example, if you're replacing HDDs, other forms of SSD will do just fine.

Also, you can always buy bigger M.2 sticks to compensate for not having lanes. You want a lot of fast storage, you gotta pay for it.

The above user is also right in saying you'll never need the full bandwidth on all of them. You're talking about using SSDs for cold data...

Not cold data. Daily in use data. 

 

And it really isn't hard to max out lanes on a desktop system. Even without tossing in a bunch of m.2 drives like I want. I have a gpu,  m.2 and I am now out of lanes (from the cpu). Now if I want to add in a second m.2 or 10gbe nic or anything else, it's all going through the chipset. 

 

Lanes didn't increase with Devices in a pc like they should have. 20 lanes was fine when SSDs and HDD's were sata, now that nvme is fairly standard, they should have upped the lanes to allow more than one primary storage to be used at full speed, especially sincerely they are limited in capacity. 

[Motifator]

10 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Not cold data. Daily in use data. 

 

And it really isn't hard to max out lanes on a desktop system. Even without tossing in a bunch of m.2 drives like I want. I have a gpu,  m.2 and I am now out of lanes (from the cpu). Now if I want to add in a second m.2 or 10gbe nic or anything else, it's all going through the chipset. 

 

Lanes didn't increase with Devices in a pc like they should have. 20 lanes was fine when SSDs and HDD's were sata, now that nvme is fairly standard, they should have upped the lanes to allow more than one primary storage to be used at full speed, especially sincerely they are limited in capacity. 

If you have that much data in use, you can do other means. Several AMD platforms offer U.2, you can use 7.68 TB SSDs there, that aren't overly expensive either for instance. Alternatives exist and if you're running out of lanes with just 2 M.2 + GPU, it's obvious that you should have bought X570 instead of B-series chipset in the first place...

[Blue4130]

1 minute ago, Motifator said:

If you have that much data in use, you can do other means. Several AMD platforms offer U.2, you can use 7.68 TB SSDs there, that aren't overly expensive either for instance. Alternatives exist and if you're running out of lanes with just 2 M.2 + GPU, it's obvious that you should have bought X570 instead of B-series chipset in the first place...

X570 doesn't help. Cpu is lane limited. Sure there are more slots on the board, but your still pushing it through the 4 lanes from the chipset to the cpu. 

[Motifator]

16 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

X570 doesn't help. Cpu is lane limited. Sure there are more slots on the board, but your still pushing it through the 4 lanes from the chipset to the cpu. 

Lol, you're talking like chipset or CPU lanes matter. It has ZERO relevancy whether you're taking the lanes from the chipset or CPU, I run several SSDs including a Phison with the latest layer plus two Optane - one PCI-E, other U.2 None of the method of lanes coming from, matter AT ALL, ZERO. They all perform marvelously for what they're worth, let it be acc. time or sequential or 4k.

Again, buying a CPU with less lanes is on you. You should have done better research honestly, something like 4600g will ultimately be your limitation.

[Blue4130]

7 hours ago, Motifator said:

Lol, you're talking like chipset or CPU lanes matter. It has ZERO relevancy whether you're taking the lanes from the chipset or CPU, I run several SSDs including a Phison with the latest layer plus two Optane - one PCI-E, other U.2 None of the method of lanes coming from, matter AT ALL, ZERO. They all perform marvelously for what they're worth, let it be acc. time or sequential or 4k.

Again, buying a CPU with less lanes is on you. You should have done better research honestly, something like 4600g will ultimately be your limitation.

You are pushing quite hard on this. What is wrong with wanting a HEDT chip with more lanes that ISN'T $6500. The only reason that the core and ryzen lanes are limited is to push buyers into a $6500 chip. It would be nice if there was an option between $1000 and $6500.

 

As for the cpu vs chipset lanes, it the chipset is good enough for you. Great. Some people just dream bigger. If you can't accept different opinions, that's on you.