Best IDE

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

V…I,  V..I, V…. what?  no one?

No Vim allowed.

No Emacs either.

God emprah carmack even said y'all facebook silicone boys need ya debuggr.

[Wictorian]

9 minutes ago, fpo said:

No Vim allowed.

No Emacs either.

God emprah carmack even said y'all facebook silicone boys need ya debuggr.

vim is like the periodic table

do you hate the periodic table too?

[Guest]

Just now, Wictorian said:

vim is like the periodic table

Super complicated. It's probably awesome, but I don't have time for it.

Just now, Wictorian said:

do you hate the periodic table too?

Yeah, it's the only table that doesn't have food on it.

[Wictorian]

Actually I remember people were saying you could edit javascrit code directly using ms edge. Can you eloborate on that?

[Wictorian]

8 minutes ago, fpo said:

Super complicated. It's probably awesome, but I don't have time for it.

Yeah, it's the only table that doesn't have food on it.

yeah they should stop teaching everyone the periodic table. No one teaches everyone Vim.

[Bombastinator]

27 minutes ago, fpo said:

No Vim allowed.

No Emacs either.

God emprah carmack even said y'all facebook silicone boys need ya debuggr.

Vi was before emacs. This whole thing just reminds me of the big VI vs. eMacs debates back when eMacs was the new hotness.  It’s horrifyingly similar.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Bombastinator

[Bombastinator]

39 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Actually I remember people were saying you could edit javascrit code directly using ms edge. Can you eloborate on that?

Anything can be scripted with a text editor.  If you don’t need it to actually run you can do it on a paper napkin.

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

Actually I remember people were saying you could edit javascrit code directly using ms edge. Can you eloborate on that?

There is an inspector which shows you the source code of a website.

HTML is interpreted so if you know HTML, then you are now aware that the entire HTML text file is sent to the browser & if you can view the source file, then you can edit it.

 

45 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Vi was before emacs. This whole thing just reminds me of the big VI vs. eMacs debates back when eMacs was the new hotness.  It’s horrifyingly similar.

"The future is now old man."
Idk, I like the ability to just type.
I hear Vi, Vim & Emacs are all super fast with keyboard shortcuts & copy/paste techniques, but I think I'm perfectly satisfied with "modern" IDEs.

[Bombastinator]

6 hours ago, fpo said:

There is an inspector which shows you the source code of a website.

HTML is interpreted so if you know HTML, then you are now aware that the entire HTML text file is sent to the browser & if you can view the source file, then you can edit it.

 

"The future is now old man."
Idk, I like the ability to just type.
I hear Vi, Vim & Emacs are all super fast with keyboard shortcuts & copy/paste techniques, but I think I'm perfectly satisfied with "modern" IDEs.

They’re quick alright but the learning curve is vastly higher.  You’ve got to know all the commands by heart and do them without looking.  If you put in the time to get it into your muscle memory you don’t have to touch a mouse which means you don’t have to take your hands off the keyboard.  That’s where a lot of the time saving is.  If you don’t though it’s not just slower it’s a lot slower.  Takes a long time to learn.  So X Tim of utter crap, x time of kind of crap, and x time of about the same.  Then you’ve got to slowly make up all that time you lost learning. It’s only a net positive if you code for years and years.  If you already put the time in though it can be faster.  So much faster it was job security for some old coders for a while.  Their brains weren’t all that quick anymore, but they were still the fastest coders in the shop though because they had this giant advantage in coding speed.  There was a 90 year old man once who won the world record texting championship with a telegraph key.  He insisted it must be HIS telegraph key though, and that the surface he put it on be bubble leveled.  His opponent was some teenager who I guess would be a video game athlete equivalent (it was before competitive video games) who had lightning fast movements and knew all the shortcuts. He didn’t win by just a little either.  This is the whole philosophy behind MacOS.  Even though mousing around is slower, because the learning curve is shallower it’s still faster.. depending on how long you do it.  Macs are for people who do something else other than messing with computers and want to put their energy into that.  The computer is just a tool to do that for them. They just want to get the BS out of the way and do what they do.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Bombastinator

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1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

They’re quick alright but the learning curve is vastly higher.  You’ve got to know all the commands by heart and do them without looking.  If you put in the time to get it into your muscle memory you don’t have to touch a mouse which means you don’t have to take your hands off the keyboard.  That’s where a lot of the time saving is.  If you don’t though it’s not just slower it’s a lot slower.  Takes a long time to learn.  So X Tim of utter crap, x time of kind of crap, and x time of about the same.  Then you’ve got to slowly make up all that time you lost learning. It’s only a net positive if you code for years and years.  If you already put the time in though it can be faster.  There was a 90 year old man who won the world record texting championship with a telegraph key.  He insisted it must be HIS telegraph key though, and that the surface he put it on be bubble leveled.  This is the whole philosophy behind MacOS.  Even though mousing around is slower, because the learning curve is shallower it’s still faster.. depending on how long you do it.

Yeah I'll stick to my memorized commands of control and home and stuff. 

[Dat Guy]

15 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

Vi was before emacs

vi was first released in 1977, so was Emacs (although there was prior art).

-> https://web.archive.org/web/20131024150047/http://www.codeartnow.com/hacker-art-1/macsimizing-teco

[Wictorian]

1 hour ago, Dat Guy said:

vi was first released in 1977, so was Emacs (although there was prior art).

-> https://web.archive.org/web/20131024150047/http://www.codeartnow.com/hacker-art-1/macsimizing-teco

vi was released in 20th century, so was Emacs.

[Bombastinator]

1 hour ago, Dat Guy said:

vi was first released in 1977, so was Emacs (although there was prior art).

-> https://web.archive.org/web/20131024150047/http://www.codeartnow.com/hacker-art-1/macsimizing-teco

LOL the vi-eMacs debate still lives!  It’s been 30 years and I still haven’t run far enough.  
 

Then eMacs would have to predate *nix.  The reason vi is called vi is all the initial stuff were two letter names.  Sh, etc…. It might of course.  There was stuff before Unix.  Vi was really before my time.  It was so small it was part of the Unix release as a text editor. My memory was eMacs finally won because it could do things vi couldn’t. I distinctly remember vi people being old school and eMacs people being new school.

 

my point I guess is people use what they use and their rate is their rate.  It really doesn’t matter.  There could be a guy with no arms and one leg, but if he could meet speed requirements it didn’t matter if he keyed with his toes or not. Use what works for you in a given situation.  That’s why there are a bajillion computer languages.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Bombastinator

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52 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

. Use what works for you in a given situation.  That’s why there are a bajillion computer languages.

I disagree. 

 

This is why there are a balloon computer languages:

 

[Dat Guy]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

Then eMacs would have to predate *nix.

 

Not quite, as no Editing MACroS from before 1971 are known.

I just want you to get your facts correct.

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, fpo said:

I disagree. 

 

This is why there are a balloon computer languages:

 

That too.  So many are for specific things, but Turing complete is Turing complete. Doesn’t have to be just one reason.  Pascal was written as a teaching language, but that didn’t stop the first MacOS from being written in it.  

[Bombastinator]

4 hours ago, Dat Guy said:

 

Not quite, as no Editing MACroS from before 1971 are known.

I just want you to get your facts correct.

It’s possible.  I was 3 in 1971

[Wictorian]

44 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

It’s possible.  I was 3 in 1971

900 years before that Turks entered Anatolia

[Bombastinator]

7 minutes ago, Wictorian said:

900 years before that Turks entered Anatolia

I was going to use this but that works too

 

 

[Wictorian]

28 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I was going to use this but that works too

 

 

wow so they made corundum from Skyrim into a real thing

[wasab]

On 8/23/2022 at 7:02 PM, Bombastinator said:

  Their brains weren’t all that quick anymore, but they were still the fastest coders in the shop though because they had this giant advantage in coding speed.

ah yes, there comes a day when your words per minute typing speed defines how good a coder you are. 

[Bombastinator]

31 minutes ago, wasab said:

ah yes, there comes a day when your words per minute typing speed defines how good a coder you are. 

I didn’t want to put it that way.  It depends to a large degree on how management measures such things.