NAS with hot swap nvme build questions

[Aaron1565]

Budget (including currency): 5k

Country: usa

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Okay so working on a NAS build to store footage on NVME drives. I am wanting to use a icy docks product. 

 

 

ICY DOCK 8 x M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe 4.0 Mobile Rack for 5.25" Bay with 8 x OCuLink (not Support Tri-Mode) | ToughArmor MB873MP-B https://a.co/d/2VVhgVT

 

My problem is that it uses an interface I have never heard of nor know how to use. Any help is welcome in figuring this out thank you

 

[LIGISTX]

12 minutes ago, Aaron1565 said:

Budget (including currency): 5k

Country: usa

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: primarily storage

Other details: 

Okay so working on a NAS build to store footage on NVME drives. I am wanting to use a icy docks product. 

 

 

ICY DOCK 8 x M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe 4.0 Mobile Rack for 5.25" Bay with 8 x OCuLink (not Support Tri-Mode) | ToughArmor MB873MP-B https://a.co/d/2VVhgVT

 

My problem is that it uses an interface I have never heard of nor know how to use. Any help is welcome in figuring this out thank you

 

Why NVMe? What is your use case here. Seems like your making this harder on yourself then it needs to be. 

[Aaron1565]

1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

Why NVMe? What is your use case here. Seems like your making this harder on yourself then it needs to be. 

More for future proofing but the NAS will be used by multiple users and will need to be able to read realtime 4k footage to multiple users. While SAS or sata raids would work, I like the compact nature of this. But if there are other multi user solutions I'm open.

[rcmaehl]

11 minutes ago, Aaron1565 said:

Budget (including currency): 5k

Country: usa

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: primarily storage

Other details: 

Okay so working on a NAS build to store footage on NVME drives. I am wanting to use a icy docks product. 

 

 

ICY DOCK 8 x M.2 NVMe SSD PCIe 4.0 Mobile Rack for 5.25" Bay with 8 x OCuLink (not Support Tri-Mode) | ToughArmor MB873MP-B https://a.co/d/2VVhgVT

 

My problem is that it uses an interface I have never heard of nor know how to use. Any help is welcome in figuring this out thank you

 

Pretty sure SFF-8612 is entirely found on server boards.

 

You can find add-in cards for it however it's pretty uncommon. 2x Fujitus A3C40202023 will probably have you set but I'm not aware of any NA company selling them to consumers.

[LIGISTX]

1 minute ago, Aaron1565 said:

More for future proofing but the NAS will be used by multiple users and will need to be able to read realtime 4k footage to multiple users. While SAS or sata raids would work, I like the compact nature of this. But if there are other multi user solutions I'm open.

Is your network fast enough to support this? Even over 10 gigabit, a handful of SATA SSD’s would easily saturate the network. 
 

If this server will be connected to a 40GbE switch, then I could see an argument for this. But a handful of SATA SSD’s in a well designed software RAID will EASILY saturate 10GbE.

[Aaron1565]

2 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

Pretty sure SFF-8612 is entirely found on server boards.

 

You can find add-in cards for it however it's pretty uncommon. 2x Fujitus A3C40202023 will probably have you set but I'm not aware of any NA company selling them to consumers.

Yeah that's the problem I've e run into. Starting to think I should use sata ssd encloser and run a raid. Possibly use unRAID or something of the like.

[rcmaehl]

5 minutes ago, Aaron1565 said:

Yeah that's the problem I've e run into. Starting to think I should use sata ssd encloser and run a raid. Possibly use unRAID or something of the like.

The product you linked was for NVMe SSDs, NOT SATA.

 

Edit: At a quick glance, there is a variant listed for SATA M.2 which uses 2x SFF-8612 for all 12, instead of a 8x SFF-8612 for 8.

[LIGISTX]

Just now, Aaron1565 said:

Yeah that's the problem I've e run into. Starting to think I should use sata ssd encloser and run a raid. Possibly use unRAID or something of the like.

Don’t use an enclosure…. Plug everything in via SATA directly. And for performance like this, unraid will not be your friend. ZFS would handle it much better - unraid doesn’t really run any faster then a single drive, ZFS (especially with a large ARC) can EASIL meet your needs (or, well, at least better then unraid will)

[Aaron1565]

9 minutes ago, rcmaehl said:

The product you linked was for NVMe SSDs, NOT SATA.

I'm aware. Due to the issues with OCulink sff8612 that I'm having I'm considering using a sata encloser instead

[Aaron1565]

8 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Don’t use an enclosure…. Plug everything in via SATA directly. And for performance like this, unraid will not be your friend. ZFS would handle it much better - unraid doesn’t really run any faster then a single drive, ZFS (especially with a large ARC) can EASIL meet your needs (or, well, at least better then unraid will)

ZFS indeed seems to be a better solution to this. Thank you. Main reason for encloser would be hot swap but if running a raid it wouldn't matter nearly as much. 

[LIGISTX]

43 minutes ago, Aaron1565 said:

ZFS indeed seems to be a better solution to this. Thank you. Main reason for encloser would be hot swap but if running a raid it wouldn't matter nearly as much. 

Hot swap won’t be needed at all for a RAID setup. Sure, it can make swapping out bad drives easier, but that doesn’t happen often.