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  1. 1. Would you choose ryzen 7000 or intel 13th gen core

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7 hours ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

If single threaded performance is everything, then Ryzen 700p seems underwhelming.

 

Claims 15% improvement over 5000 series....meanwhile 12tu gen is 30% father than 5000 series.

 

If this is true, it'll still come up short.

30%. I am trying to find this number, and I can't... haven't read a single article with your claim there. 

 

But let's say 30%. 12th Gen. At 340w to accomplish what AMD does on 180w, maybe with some OC 220w amd eh?

 

I suppose this is a 12900K vs 5800x cinebench render you're making 30% claims?

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1 hour ago, Guest 5150 said:

30%. I am trying to find this number, and I can't... haven't read a single article with your claim there. 

 

But let's say 30%. 12th Gen. At 340w to accomplish what AMD does on 180w, maybe with some OC 220w amd eh?

 

I suppose this is a 12900K vs 5800x cinebench render you're making 30% claims?

You cannot find it because it doesn't exist. Also since we really don't know what exact application and setting they used for that 15% number we cannot compare anything.

 

The difference between a 12900K and a 5950x in Cinebench R23 single threaded is ~20%. Which is still more than 15% (if that would translate in the same way).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/6.html

 

The reality is that it is a guessing game how 12th Gen would compare to the 7000 series right now but we can for sure say that 15% is underwhelming.

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2 hours ago, Guest 5150 said:

30%. I am trying to find this number, and I can't... haven't read a single article with your claim there. 

 

But let's say 30%. 12th Gen. At 340w to accomplish what AMD does on 180w, maybe with some OC 220w amd eh?

 

I suppose this is a 12900K vs 5800x cinebench render you're making 30% claims?

They used CBR23 as their metric for "15% better" than 5950x. It's in AMD's slides from the press release.

 

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Since that is the metric they are using, the data can be found.

 

 

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The 12900KS is 34% faster than the 5950x. The normal 12900k is 23% faster.

 

If the 7000 series is only ">15% over the 5950x" it is likely less than 20% better than the 5950x, and therefore, still slower than the 12900KS since the notes on the slides literally identify CBR23 being their metric. 

 

If 13th gen has ANY uplift over 12th gen in this metric, AMD will be in trouble, as their platform won't be faster than Intel, and will require DDR5.


Power consumption...sure. But single threaded apps aren't generally sucking up power anyway. 

 

33 minutes ago, Montana One-Six said:

You cannot find it because it doesn't exist. Also since we really don't know what exact application and setting they used for that 15% number we cannot compare anything.

 

The difference between a 12900K and a 5950x in Cinebench R23 single threaded is ~20%. Which is still more than 15% (if that would translate in the same way).

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/6.html

 

The reality is that it is a guessing game how 12th Gen would compare to the 7000 series right now but we can for sure say that 15% is underwhelming.

 

 

AMD literally tells us the exact application and hardware configurations in the footnotes for their presentation. 

 

 

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And if you want TPU data, since I identified "12th gen" with their flagship the 12900KS:

cinebench-single.png

 

At stock this is about 31% per TPU.

 

Either way, 34% or 31%, that's still more than 15% that the 7000 series is claiming. More than double, actually.

 

With TPU data, 15% uplift over the 5950x would be 1883. If it's the upper limit of ">15%" (which must be <20%, or else they'd say 20%" it would be 1949, which is still slower than the stock 12900K(non-S).

 

Obviously this is an engineering sample and production might be better, but we can only go by the claims that are given.

 

Now, you could argue the 12900KS is a halo product and I'd agree with you, but to spare AMD some shame I didn't use their flagship 5800X3D as it would be worse.

 

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9 hours ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

They used CBR23 as their metric for "15% better" than 5950x. It's in AMD's slides from the press release.

 

751343500_Screenshot2022-05-24061312.thumb.png.25a4f5922cd01fb5d9dc69c27a2b5249.png

 

Since that is the metric they are using, the data can be found.

 

 

image.thumb.png.93dac3b0b39bed63a0ba4f4c545da8e3.png

 

The 12900KS is 34% faster than the 5950x. The normal 12900k is 23% faster.

 

If the 7000 series is only ">15% over the 5950x" it is likely less than 20% better than the 5950x, and therefore, still slower than the 12900KS since the notes on the slides literally identify CBR23 being their metric. 

 

If 13th gen has ANY uplift over 12th gen in this metric, AMD will be in trouble, as their platform won't be faster than Intel, and will require DDR5.


Power consumption...sure. But single threaded apps aren't generally sucking up power anyway. 

 

 

 

AMD literally tells us the exact application and hardware configurations in the footnotes for their presentation. 

 

 

751343500_Screenshot2022-05-24061312.thumb.png.25a4f5922cd01fb5d9dc69c27a2b5249.png

 

And if you want TPU data, since I identified "12th gen" with their flagship the 12900KS:

 

 

At stock this is about 31% per TPU.

 

Either way, 34% or 31%, that's still more than 15% that the 7000 series is claiming. More than double, actually.

 

With TPU data, 15% uplift over the 5950x would be 1883. If it's the upper limit of ">15%" (which must be <20%, or else they'd say 20%" it would be 1949, which is still slower than the stock 12900K(non-S).

 

Obviously this is an engineering sample and production might be better, but we can only go by the claims that are given.

 

Now, you could argue the 12900KS is a halo product and I'd agree with you, but to spare AMD some shame I didn't use their flagship 5800X3D as it would be worse.

 

Hey thanks for that. The numbers don't lie.

 

So for gaming, what should we get? 

 

I can't tell the difference between these two in this video. 

 

This is how the vote count is represented I think. In favor of AMD. But I can't tell the difference. I was looking for the smoothness mostly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Guest 5150 said:

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honestly im expecting intel with a slight edge, amd will have 16c/32t at 200w while intel will be 300w, i'm leaning amd as long as it's close (really dont need e-cores)

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7 hours ago, Guest 5150 said:

Hey thanks for that. The numbers don't lie.

 

So for gaming, what should we get? 

 

I can't tell the difference between these two in this video. 

 

This is how the vote count is represented I think. In favor of AMD. But I can't tell the difference. I was looking for the smoothness mostly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll go with my first post I'm this thread which was that you won't go wrong with either.

 

Personally I would get the Intel system. AMD would have to be significantly better to consider.

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One area where AMD could win, is platform longevity.

 

AM4 has been AWESOME in that regard. If they made any claims about delivering similar longevity for AM5, then even if Ryzen 7000 isn't "the bee's knees", it might still be worthwhile to jump in with a strong motherboard, knowing you'll be able to upgrade the CPU easily in the future

<-- happy owner of an X370 board.

 

Unfortunately, they haven't said anything in that regard, at least not that I've seen or heard anywhere.

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44 minutes ago, Rauten said:

One area where AMD could win, is platform longevity.

 

AM4 has been AWESOME in that regard. If they made any claims about delivering similar longevity for AM5, then even if Ryzen 7000 isn't "the bee's knees", it might still be worthwhile to jump in with a strong motherboard, knowing you'll be able to upgrade the CPU easily in the future

<-- happy owner of an X370 board.

 

Unfortunately, they haven't said anything in that regard, at least not that I've seen or heard anywhere.

Problem is buy in for DDR5 is kind of a weak push. It was not worthwhile for 12th gen and I doubt it will be for 13th either. The fact it's necessary for Zen4 is going to be detrimental for budget in many cases and will push people to Intel or older AM4 systems.

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here, ryzen 7000 isn't that bad, although i am sad that raptor lake will not have any major improvements

Imagine everything i have written in a Linus Voice/ linus tone (Spock live long and prosper gif here ,idk why tho, i guess i just want to say that i like star trek and am waiting for new seasons of the ongoing shows), But seriously, a lot of what i type only makes sense when said in a Linus tone from an older ltt video (circa 2017-2019) basically before he got a beard and a lot of it should make sense even in a Linus with a beard face.

also note as per the latest typing test on my laptop, my accuracy is 69%

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3 hours ago, Shimmy Gummi said:

I'll go with my first post I'm this thread which was that you won't go wrong with either.

 

Personally I would get the Intel system. AMD would have to be significantly better to consider.

Ah Woof, your just an Intel guy. Nothing wrong with it. 

 

I don't see a reason to upgrade the 8700K yet myself. 

 

I'd have to justify a new video card first, GTX 980 KPE is long in the tooth, won't be doing more than 1080p until the monitor dies though.

 

But I love my Intel rig.

 

Cheers!

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